
Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast
Arts & Culture Podcasts
James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.
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James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.
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English
Episodes
The Gay 90s
5/4/2026
Come with the queens as they travel back to a time of gay bookstores, queer anthems, and a boom in LGBT+ publishing: the gay 90s!
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press. James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Check out Michael Nava's wonderful essay "Creating a Literary Culture: A Short, Selective, and Incomplete History of LGBT Publishing, Part II"
Learn more about Gendertrash zine
Read Melvin Dixon's essay "I'll Be Somewhere Listening for My Name."
Read more about Texas Tech's limitations on studying gender and sexuality.
Sabah as-Sabah's work appears in many 90s anthologies, including In the Tradition: An Anthology of Young Black Writers (1992; edited by Kevin Powell & Ras Baraka), Catch the Fire!!: A Cross-Generational Anthology of Contemporary African American Poetry (1998), and The Road Before Us: 100 Gay Black Poets (ed. Assotto Saint, 1991).
Read Audre Lorde's "The Electric Slide Boogie" in The Marvelous Arithmetic of Distance: 1987-1992.
Read Marilyn Hacker's "The Boy"
Justin Chin's "Cocksucker's Blues" is included in his first book of poems, Bite Hard (1997). Watch a tribute to Chin here.
Here's the table of contents (with some hyperlinks) of The World in Us, edited by Elena Georgiou and Michael Lassell.
You can read Maureen Seaton's "Blonde Ambition" (and the entirety of Furious Cooking)
Read Dennis Cooper's "After School, Street Football, Eighth Grade"
Read Gerry Gomez Pearlberg's "Marianne Faithfull's Cigarette"
Some queer poets/poems we mention:
Eileen Myles, "American Poem"
JD McClatchy, "My Mammogram"
David Trinidad
Rafael Campo, The Other Man Was Me
Eloise Klein Healy
Frank Paino, The Rapture of Matter
Paul Monette, 18 Elegies for Rog
Joan Larkin
Judy Grahn
Robin Becker
Maggie Anderson
Richard McCann, Ghost Letters
Wayne Koestenbaum, The Queen's Throat
Chrystos
Cheryl Clarke
Duration:00:44:08
Sex Poems
4/27/2026
Let's talk about Sex!
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Poems we read and texts we mention include:
Dorianne Laux, "The Lovers" (Visit Laux's website here).
Jenny Johnson, "Daddy Scene" (published in Cherry Tree Issue 11). Subscribe here. Read Jenny's essay "Butch Blowjob" in Bomb Magazine.
sam sax, "Ode to the Belt" can be read in The Nation Sept 2023--or you can watch sam perform the poem here.
If you're looking for a theory reading about sexuality, might we recommend Sigmund Freud's "Three Contributions To The Theory Of Sex"
Jericho Brown's "Host" appears in The New Testament
Timothy Liu's "The Size of It" appeared in The Paris Review Fall 1994
Maya Abu Al-Hayyat's "Sex"
Sophie Cabot Black, "Interrogation"
You can read Minnie Bruce Pratt's "Peach" here (just scroll down/search for "peach").
Aaron reads from this article ("50 interesting sex facts...") in the fact check.
Duration:00:30:19
On Explicitness
4/20/2026
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Duration:00:27:56
Sex Lives of Poets: Frank O'Hara
4/13/2026
All the queens want is boundless love in this episode about the love life of Frank O'Hara.
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Read Frank O'Hara's "Homosexuality"
For more about Chester Kallman, read here. Kallman was a poet, librettist, and writer who was also Auden's partner (and, later, his estate's executor). He published three collections of poems: Storm at Castelfranco (1956), Absent and Present (1963), and The Sense of Occasion (1971).
Grace Hartigan's relationship with Frank O'Hara is detailed a bit more in this Sebastian Smee essay in Washington Post: "Portrait of a Poet."
Read O'Hara's "In Memory of My Feelings"
Much of Frank O'Hara's papers are at the Museum of Modern Art in NYC
Read a review of Ada Calhoun's memoir "Also a Poet," about her father, art critic Peter Schjeldahl, who was working on a memorial project about O'Hara when he died. Calhoun believes that her father’s book was torpedoed by O’Hara’s sister and literary executor, Maureen Granville-Smith Calhoun.
For more about The Glory Hole Café in Buenos Aires (which we mention in the show), go here.
Duration:00:27:21
Boy in Video Arcade
4/6/2026
The queens talk about writing through sadness and grief in order to move forward and gain a different vantage point.
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Take a look at the Tracey Emin sculpture "My Bed." It was sold at auction by Christie’s in July 2014 for £2.5 million to German collector Count Christian Duerckheim.
Read Larry Levis's poem "Boy in Video Arcade"
Read Dickinson's 670 ("One Need not be a Chamber to be Haunted"). For more variations she included on the fascicle, visit the Emily Dickinson Online archive at Harvard's Houghton Library here.
In an interview with Melanie Brooks and published in Creative Nonfiction (Winter 2017), Mark Doty says about grief: "It was like just pushing my way up this very tall, spirally staircase. I'd write and cry and write and cry and write and cry." Read the essay here (jstor access required).
Duration:00:36:04
Say Yes to the Dress
3/30/2026
Dress shopping is cardio & life for the Breaking Form fashionistas.
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Paul Tran's "Provenance" appeared first February 22/March 1, 2021 issue of The Nation and was included in All the Flowers Kneeling, which was published by Penguin in 2022 and was a finalist for the 2023 PEN Open Book Award and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. Visit Tran's website here: https://iampaultran.com/
The poem "'What Do Women Want?'" is from Kim Addonizio's Tell Me (2000)
Read "Boy in a Stolen Evening Gown" by Saeed Jones
Read "Esta Noche" by Mark Doty
The poem we read of Allison Benis White's is from “Please Bury Me in This” [Maybe my arms lifted ...]"
In recollection of a first memory in A Sketch of the Past, Virginia Woolf wrote: "My mother would come out onto her balcony in a white dressing gown. There were passion flowers growing on the wall; they were great starry blossoms, with purple streaks, and large green buds, part empty, part full."
Read torrin a. greathouse's "Ekphrasis on My Rapist's Wedding Dress" and visit their website: https://www.torringreathouse.com/
Read Victoria Chang's "OBIT [The Blue Dress]" from her 2020 book, Obit. You can watch Chang read from Obit here (~43 min).
Duration:00:29:07
Horsepower (with Special Guest Joy Priest)
3/23/2026
Get set for a poetry gabfest for the ages! The fabulous Joy Priest joins us for the Breaking Form Interview.
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Buy Joy's prizewinning collection of poems, Horsepower, from the University of Pittsburgh Press here or from Loyalty Books, a Black, Queer, and Asian owned independent bookstore in DC.
Visit Joy Priest's website: https://www.joypriest.com
You can see Joy reading from her work here, here, and here. Or read this interview with her here.
Read Joy's ode to Whitney Houston, "When I See the Stars in the Night Sky"
Nikky Finney won the 2011 National Book Award for her book Head Off and Split. Watch her iconic speech here.
Read more about American Honey, a film by Andrea Arnold starring Sasha Lane
We mention a few forms, including the Abecedarian and the Sestina. Click the links for more information about them.
Poets we mention:
Emily Dickinson and Poem 269 ("Wild nights!")
Hear poet Jane Kenyon read her poem "Otherwise."
Donald Hall
Terrance Hayes
Ross Gay
Louise Glück's "Anniversary"
Duration:00:52:43
James Went to AWP (2026)
3/16/2026
The queens kindly request your presence for some piping hot tea as they recap the AWP Conference in Baltimore.
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Show Notes:
James posted some AWP tips on Facebook here.
For the curious, AWP has posted its "Community Participation in #AWP26 Conference & Bookfair" stats here.
The journals mentioned on the "Editing for Change and Community" panel were:
Small Orange edited by Carlie Hoffman. Carlie's poems were included in our Breaking Form episode "The Hof[f]man[n]s" which you can listen to here.
Georgia Review edited by Gerald Maa.
Brink edited by Nina Lohman
Hopkins Review edited by Dora Malech
Cherry Tree: A National Literary Journal at Washington College, by James.
AWP has said it will post the video of John Waters's keynote address for conference registrants to view, but we can't find it yet. But if you're curious, here's a written recap of the event by Baltimore Fishbowl.
You can find The Adroit Journal online at https://theadroitjournal.org. They're open for submissions currently (til April 1, 2026). They are a paying market.
Duration:00:36:05
The Wild Iris: A Breaking Form Revisit
3/9/2026
That which you call death, the queens remember in this episode that revisits The Wild Iris, Louise Glück's Pulitzer-Prize winning volume from 1992.
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
While the recording released by the Academy of American Poets of Glück reading from The Wild Iris and other work can be purchased online, you can also hear many of these poems read on SoundCloud here.
Much of our information about Glück's process comes from this interview with the poet Devin Becker, who was also her former student.
Read Richie Hofmann's remembrance here.
Some of the poems from The Wild Iris that we mention (and links to read them) are:
Witchgrass
The Red Poppy
Clear Morning
The Garden
Vespers
Retreating Light
The White Lilies, which you can hear read by Glück here.
We also mention the poem "Purple Bathing Suit" from Meadowlands, the book which follows The Wild Iris.
Louise' Glücks astrological chart is here. (Taurus sun, Leo rising, Scorpio moon.)
Watch interviews with Glück:
1982, for Kalliope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAB-JqABvq8
2004, at Smith College: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw0nlVYZ39A
2012, Academy of Achievement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1rpGy8XRzU
2016, with Peter Streckfus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeoaLNGy_Ms
2020, for NYPL with Colm Tóibín, on writing The Wild Iris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3kQGM_KhHQ
Duration:00:37:19
Fum*ble*cunk: Victorian Slang
3/2/2026
What nanty narking our Reginas have with some slang from the Victorian era.
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Marilyn Nelson's poem in The New Yorker that Aaron was thinking of is "Pigeon and Hawk."
Poets we mention include (with a poem by each):
Marie Howe
Cleopatra Mathis
Linda Gregg
Lucie Brock-Broido
Adrienne Rich
Yvor Winters
Frank O'Hara
Anna Akhmatova
Lynn Melnick
Mary Jo Bang
Jean Valentines, "Ghost Elephants"
Larry Levis and Aaron's poem "Elegy" which references Levis's "The Smell of the Sea"
James Merrill
Brenda Hillman
Richard Howard
Shaon Olds
Henry David Thoreau
Laura Kasischke
Lucille Clifton
Aracelis Girmay
Kenneth Koch
Rupi Kaur
Jacques J. Rancourt
Terrance Hayes
Duration:00:28:58
Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?
2/23/2026
The queens read for filth another toxic masculinist article before we play a saucy game based on a gay novel.
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Heather Christle's post sparked this episode's discussion and can be found here. Christle's most recent book of poetry is Paper Crown (Wesleyan UP, August 2025)
While there isn't an out gay character in Dead Poets Society, there is some gay-coded stuff going on. Read Kaeya Merchant's fabulous essay on the topic: "Dead Poets Society is Queer; Here’s Why"
The Garth Greenwell essay on Andrew Holleran's Dancer from the Dance which Aaron references was also published in the Yale Review. Check out Garth's website at https://www.garthgreenwell.com
At the end of the show, we quote the line "What did you think, that joy was some slight thing?" which is from Mark Doty's "Visitation"
Other poems or poets we reference are:
Garret Hongo's "What For"
e.e. cummings, "somewhere I have never travelled, gladly beyond"
David Bottoms, "Sign for My Father, Who Stressed the Bunt"
A.E. Stallings, "Sea Girls"
Jorie Graham, "At Luca Signorelli's Resurrection of the Body"
Emily Dickinson, Poem 591
Duration:00:32:52
Rimshot
2/16/2026
"Dawns are heartbreaking," as is the queer love story of Arthur Rimbaud & Paul Verlaine.
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Paul Verlaine was born in 1844. Read more about him here. Verlaine was an Aries sun, Leo Moon, and Scorpio ascendant.
Arthur Rimbaud was born on October 20, 1854, and you can read more about him here. Rimbaud was a triple Libra (sun, moon, ascendant).
Rimbaud met Verlaine in September 1871, a month before his 18th birthday. Following his tumultuous relationship with Paul Verlaine, which ended in 1873, Rimbaud traveled extensively through Europe, often on foot. He became a trader/merchant, selling coffee, hides, and eventually guns, becoming a "soldier of fortune." In 1891, a tumor developed on his right knee and forced him to return to Paris and died later that year at 37, without knowing how popular his poems had become in Symbolist circles. The gun Verlaine used to shoot Rimbaud recently went up for auction.
One of the poems Rimbaud sent to Verlaine in 1871 was "Le Dormer du Val," which you can watch recited as part of the Favorite Poem Project here. (Recited by chef Jacques Pépin.)
Rimbaud and Verlaine wrote a collaborative poem, "Sonnet to the Asshole" which you can read (and read about) here.
In 2016, the poet Eileen Myles told The New York Times, "I think men should stop writing books. I think men should stop making movies or television. Say, for 50 to 100 years. Sounds great." Read the interview here.
When we reference "tongue in the butt," we are talking about a segment from an early Breaking Form season 1 show called "Bad Animals." Check it out here, and hit the 14:30 mark.
If you've never read Flannery O'Connor's short story "A Good Man Is Hard to Find," stop what you're doing and read it here.
Duration:00:31:28
Perfectly Good Dick
2/9/2026
Duration:00:27:54
Lucille Clifton
2/2/2026
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Aaron's STOP LYING is available from the Pitt Poetry Series. And BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE is available from Bridwell Press.
James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
Show Notes:
Read the London Review of Books praising Aracelis Girmay's volume, How to Carry Water: Selected Poems by Lucille Clifton.
Watch Girmay read Clifton's poem "praise song."
Learn more about Lucille Clifton here, here, and here.
Explore more about The Clifton House, and learn more about Clifton's life in Baltimore.
Watch Debby Boone sing her 1977 hit, "You Light Up My Life"
Listen to Deborah Ann Gibson sing "On My Own" from Les Misérables.
Here is the trailer for Boxing Helena, directed by Jennifer Lynch.
Read more about the friendship between Toni Morrison and James Baldwin.
For more about Clifton's children's book series, Everett Anderson, read here.
Here is a partial list of the poems we read and discuss on the show:
"my friends"
"a poem written for many moynihans"
"5/23/67 RIP" (for Langston Hughes)
"alabama 9/15/63" (which appeared in a 1999 special folio of Callalo)
"jasper Texas 1998" in Ploughshares Issue #78 Spring 1999
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49491/jasper-texas-1998
"If I should (to clark kent)"
"further note to clark"
"hag riding"
"to my last period"
Duration:00:37:04
The Eras: a Poetry Tour
1/26/2026
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
NOTES:
Gwendolyn Brooks published "The Bean Eaters" in Poetry Magazine in 1959. Check out the video of this interview with Gwendolyn Brooks.
Here is Sylvia Plath's "Aftermath." Listen to this October 1962 interview with Plath by Peter Orr for the British Council.
Read Gary Soto's "Avocado Lake."
Linda Pastan published her poem "Waiting Room" in the October 1984 issue of Poetry.
Here's Suji Kwok Kim's "Occupation" which appeared in the July 1994 Poetry. Here is a 2008 reading by Kim (~28 min).
Watch Cher introduce her song "Just Like Jesse James" during her Farewell Tour.
Read "The Speed of Darkness" by Muriel Rukeyser.
Duration:00:41:20
Hap
1/19/2026
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James's ROMANTIC COMEDY is available from Four Way Books.
NOTES:
Read "Hap" by Thomas Hardy. And watch a here's a video enactment/reading of "Hap" by Thomas Hardy. And watch a reading/enactment of the poem here.
Read a terrific essay about Hardy's poem published by the Thomas Hardy Society here.
Thomas Hardy wrote 947 poems, and you can read them all online here.
For more about Taylor Swift's newest album's variations, read this piece in Vareity.
Tom Brady does not have a brother who plays football.
Gayle King interviewed Heated Rivalry star Hudson Williams at the Golden Globes. See the viral-video exchange here.
Here's a reddit thread on being rejected on Christmas Eve.
Duration:00:40:23
I Am a Receptical (A Poetry Salon)
1/12/2026
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Show Notes:
We read poems by Amy Lowell and Jubi Arriola-Headley
Check out Jubi Arriola-Headley's website here, and an obituary here.
Learn more about Amy Lowell here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amy-lowell
Duration:00:07:24
François Sagat (A Poetry Salon)
1/5/2026
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Show Notes:
We read poems by Giada Scodellaro and Natalie Louise Tombasco.
Check out Giada Scodellaro's website here: https://giadascodellaro.com/
Check out Natalie Louise Tombasco's website: https://natalielouisetombasco.com/
Duration:00:09:18
Vitamin D (A Poetry Salon)
12/29/2025
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Show Notes:
We read poems by Kelli Russell Agodon and Afaa Michael Weaver.
Learn more about Afaa Michael Weaver here: https://www.theshipmanagency.com/afaa-michael-weaver
Check out Kelli Russell Agodon's website: https://www.agodon.com/index.html
Duration:00:07:10
Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral (A Poetry Salon)
12/22/2025
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Show Notes:
We read poems by Jonterri Gadson & Patrica Traxler
Check out Jonterri Gadson's website: https://www.jonterrigadson.com/
You can read more about Patricia Traxler on this Wikipedia page.
Duration:00:05:21