Frame of Reference - Profiles in Leadership

Prepare to be enlightened by the inspiring Justin Janowski, a seasoned leader and coach. Justin, who was born and raised in Mukwonago, WI and has a fondness for the color blue, shares his journey of establishing the groundbreaking organization, Faith2Faith Influence, designed to empower “coaches” to build their dream businesses and amplify their impact. As we stroll down the lanes of nostalgia, we explore the magic of childhood, the wonders of technology, and our shared passion for Elon Musk's Tesla. We then steer the conversation towards the essence of leadership, underscoring the role of humility and impact of words in shaping a leader's influence. Grappling with terms like "literally," we delve into the nuances of communication and how it can often be misinterpreted, while also emphasizing the importance of context in communication. Switching gears, we examine the art of influence and sales, where Justin imparts wisdom on the fine line between teaching someone and aiding them. He shares his philosophies on sales, honed through countless conversations and mentorships, underscoring the importance of an authentic leadership voice. We wrap up our discussion by drawing an intriguing parallel between influence and manipulation in sales coaching, with Justin’s key takeaway being that success requires faith and persistence. Join us for this enlightening conversation, packed with invaluable insights and wisdom. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Have you ever stopped to ponder how your personal experiences, upbringing, and societal biases have shaped you? Join Antowan and I as we engage in a candid appraisal of these weighty topics from our diverse perspectives. Drawn from shared experiences such as communal meals and my upbringing on the South Side of Milwaukee (in the 60’s and 70’s) and Antowan’s on the South side of Chicago (in the 1980s), we unravel how societal narratives have both challenged and enriched us. Our conversation ventures into the realm of racial bias, inequality, and political exploitation of crime, casting a light on the harmful effects of negative portrayals of black people in the media. Together with Antowan we confront the “elephant in the room” - issues like Christian nationalism, masculinity in the church, and systemic issues that have disproportionately affected black people. We question societal norms and invite our listeners to join us in this quest for truth. Yet, our conversation is not just about dissecting problems. We propose solutions too. From breaking down social etiquette barriers to creating opportunities for disadvantaged youth, we explore practical ways to uplift communities. As we reflect on our own experiences and our journey, we underscore the importance of regular communication, hoping that our dialogue will inspire listeners to engage in deeper contemplation on these themes. Tune in to our spirited discussion, and join us in fostering empathy and unity through conversation. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Join us as we host Andy McNeill, the remarkable founder of AMI, a hospitality giant that takes corporate meetings beyond the conference room. His keen eye for detail and knack for relationship building has made him a sought-after figure among Fortune 500 companies. From his love for Asian wonton soup to his fondness for the band Queen, he pulls back the curtain to reveal the man behind the successful enterprise. McNeil lets us in on his journey, explaining how his high school and college experiences laid the foundation for a career that's built on strong relationships and a cool head under pressure. He shares invaluable insights on identifying the right people for your team, creating a positive in-person culture, and managing the unique dynamics that come with in-person meetings. McNeill's tips on fostering real relationships and diffusing tense situations are gold nuggets you wouldn't want to miss. Discover how a passionate hospitality expert navigates the corporate world and builds bridges that stand the test of time. Prepare to be inspired! Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

What if you could unlock the secret to staying ahead in the fast-paced world of modern trends and branding? Join our engaging conversation with Bogdan Paladiichuk (pronounced Bogdan Paladeechuhk), the CEO and Creative Director of the Cream Design Agency in Ukraine, as he shares his expertise and insights on effective visual communication, and the importance of understanding the context of the message. We graze the surface of the intriguing concept of translating websites into different languages as a metric for gauging a website's design effectiveness. Transitioning from design to the business world, Bohdan opens up about the unique challenges and advantages of starting a business in Ukraine. He gives us a rare peek behind the curtains of managing creative teams, emphasizing the need for a clear vision and fostering an environment that encourages discussion. Bohdan's insights on managing creative minds are a treasure trove for anyone in a leadership position or aspiring to one. Finally, we dive into the nitty-gritty of starting a new brand. Bohdan emphasizes the need for emotional intelligence and persistence. He shares his personal experiences and valuable tips that he has gathered over the years, making this a must-listen for anyone planning to venture into the world of branding. He leaves us with a powerful note on the importance of investing in brands for exponential growth. So strap in, because we're about to embark on a journey across borders filled with passion, creativity, and resilience. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Ever wondered why Silicon Valley Bank took that risky decision or where the Peer-to-Peer model stumbled? Buckle in as we journey through an era of transformational changes in the banking sector with Emmanuel, the author of 'The Great Transition: Personalization of Finances Here'. We challenge the norms, revealing how digitizing the deposit business is reshaping wealth creation and confronting the evolution of familiar financial products. Don't miss out on our intense discussion on the societal implications of the platform economy as we grapple with questions of artificial intelligence and ethics. We question the fabric of our rules and regulations, exploring their power to both enable and restrict our freedoms. From the role of influencers in the digital world to the impact of the metaverse, we leave no stone unturned. Together with Emmanuel, we raise thought-provoking questions and seek answers, leading us to ponder the influence of icons in the network world and the transformative power of fiction in shaping new realities. By the end of this riveting discussion, you'll find yourself with more questions, a renewed curiosity, and an eagerness to continue exploring these modern-day finance conundrums. So, are you ready to challenge the status quo of the banking world? Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

What happens when the world of finance becomes more personalized? Get ready for a deep dive into the future of money with our insightful guest, Emmanuel Daniel. As a global thought leader, Emmanuel brings his fresh perspectives to this complex topic alongside my own reflections, and together, we untangle the intricate concept of personalizing finance and banking. Our conversation isn't just about money, it's about how we shape society and the value we place on communities. We're peeling back layers of thought-leadership, touching on community currencies all the way to global tokenization, and how these elements are chipping away at the conventional concept of banking. As we navigate this journey, we analyze powerful leaders, their organizational skills, and their lasting influence. We delve into how technology and digitization are driving unconventional currencies, and the impact these changes have on the value of education and the overall societal fabric. Join us for an enlightening conversation that will leave you questioning the status quo. Find out why Emmanuel holds a sentimental value for his bookshelves, learn about his perspectives on Bitcoin, and witness how his insights on personal finance and banking are challenging the norm. Tune in and witness how the future of money is being reimagined. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

It's time to challenge the status quo and expose the realities that are eroding the core of our society. The horrifying sequel of events in Jacksonville, Florida, serves as a chilling reminder of how deeply white supremacy is entrenched in our nation. Three innocent lives were lost, a grim reflection of the persistent mindset that threatens to push our society to the brink. As we dissect this tragedy, we delve into the dangerous, growing culture of radicalization and stress the urgent need for unity if we are to survive. Our discussion takes on the formidable power of censorship, scrutinizing Florida's recent decision to eliminate African American Studies as a college credit. This controversial move raises alarms about the risk of manipulating young minds and a potential shift in the perception of BIPOC communities. We also confront the prevalent culture of white supremacy, tracing its pervasive influence on aspects of our society from voter suppression to religion, and the critical need for education to counter it. Our conversation touches upon Jesus' criticism of rule-makers, the necessity of understanding His teachings, and the relevance of Martin Luther King's dream in today's context. We navigate the murky waters of gerrymandering, oppression, and power dynamics, spotlighting the importance of adequate representation at all levels of influence. Finally, we flip the script to reflect on how we can foster a global dialogue and encourage a diversity of perspectives to effect positive, lasting change in our society. Tune in, join the conversation, and be part of the change. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Ever questioned how invisible double standards within our culture could be affecting you? Brace yourself for a riveting conversation that exposes those subtle, yet powerful norms that often go unnoticed, but when spotted, can trigger feelings of frustration and unfairness. From our homes to our workplaces, and more surprisingly, within our legal system, these norms are deeply etched, waiting to be challenged. What if we told you that these very double standards could be the barriers preventing unity and mutual respect? We journey through the complexities of differing perspectives, unfolding how being more understanding and kind can erode these divisions. You will begin to see the impact of these standards, how they shape our relationships and create an environment of unconscious bias. We uncover how even a seemingly harmless comment can perpetuate double standards, leading to feelings of disrespect and exclusion. Finally, in an era where technology is ever-present, we dare to ask: could artificial intelligence be perpetuating bias and unfairness? We touch the surface of this critical issue, contemplating our own biases and the role of pride in maintaining our convictions, even when proven wrong. At the end of this compelling episode, we hope to inspire reflective conversations about these norms and the effects they have on our relationships and our culture. Join us, as we challenge these standards, and together, let's ignite a change. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Do you ever ponder the societal and cultural impacts of sex and sexuality? In this week's episode Rauel and Antowan tumble down that rabbit-hole together. They confront various beliefs and perceptions, specifically addressing the misconception of promiscuity within the African American community. In the process, we unravel the intertwined threads of primal instincts, societal assumptions, and personal responsibility regarding sex, even drawing parallels with a biblical tale of a temple brothel. As we delve deeper, we explore the intricate relationship of sexuality with religion and the challenges posed by our lustful temptations. We reflect on the consequences of a disrupted family structure and how it fosters a lack of understanding and education. Turning our lens towards the church's role in society, we find a scenario worth contemplating; has it become a networking platform instead of a space for worship? While we delve into sensitive subjects like generational rape, we emphasize the importance of teaching the truth about Jesus and the potential it holds to bring about change. Lastly, we discuss profound issues like poverty, inequality, and the need for compassion. We highlight the story of a single mother and the many hurdles she faces, underscoring that with the right resources, education, and much-needed compassion, the cycle of poverty and despair can be broken. Remember, these discussions are not about passing judgment but understanding the complexities of life. Join us on this journey of exploration and find a fresh perspective on these pressing issues. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

It's high time we pulled back the veil on the darkened narrative of racism and its impact on people of color. Today's episode is a deep-dive into how history has been manipulated, and the damaging half-truths that have resulted. We look at how these distortions have permeated our collective consciousness, and challenge you to explore deeply ingrained biases and insecurities. As we expose the harsh realities of racism and the psychological effects it has, we also shine a light on the potential for change. This is not about being 'non-racist', but 'anti-racist', fully understanding and confronting white privilege and its implications. We examine the laws limiting the movements of people of color and the reaction of white nationalists in attempting to rewrite history - but we also invite you to be a part of the solution. Finally, we encourage you to join us in the journey toward empathy and understanding. We discuss the power of confession, the importance of open dialogue, and the strength in recognizing our shared human experience. Together, we can challenge the narrative, expose lies, and shape a more nuanced understanding of our history. Tune in and let's move towards a brighter, more inclusive future. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

What if you could master the stock market from the comfort of your dorm room? Get ready to acquire life-changing insights from Anmol Singh, a seasoned trading expert whose journey began precisely in that way. Starting as an ambitious young trader in Delhi, India, Anmol fearlessly navigated the ever-changing world of the stock market to build the successful business he runs today at Live Traders. As we explore Anmol's trading adventure, we'll also delve into his favorite things, offering an eclectic mix of insights ranging from his favorite song and Indian cuisine to his favorite piece of furniture. An interesting highlight is Anmol's application of the lessons from the childhood fable of the Tortoise and the Hare to investing in the stock market. Finally, we'll discuss the role of statistics, personal trading strategies, and patterns in successful trading and investing. Anmol will share the importance of compiling data points from one's own trades to identify the most effective strategies for different market scenarios. We'll also talk about the different types of trading, the importance of integrity, and the crucial understanding of the market to make informed decisions. Whether you're a seasoned investor or a budding trader, this episode is packed with knowledge, insights, and intriguing stories that can guide you on your journey. Tune in now! Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Could the world of theater evolve in this digital age? Ponder this as award-winning American playwright Jack Canfora and I discuss the future of theater in a Netflix-dominated era. With Jack’s career highlights, favorite plays, and playwrights, this conversation unravels the magic of live theater like never before. From Hamlet to modern plays by Arthur Miller, we cover a wide spectrum of theater's beautiful landscape, discussing the elements that truly make a play stand out. Tasting the richness of live theater, we delve into its power to form a sense of community, discussing how it surpasses the experience of merely reading plays in school. We also consider how the digital world has stirred up the ways we communicate and interact. In the midst of all this, we take some time to indulge in discussions about our favorite comfort foods and furniture, underscoring the simple pleasures of life. As we navigate through the complexities of art funding, we examine the potential pitfalls of government sponsorship and the critical role of private organizations. We also mull over the challenges of sustaining a theatre season. Jack provides insights into the way New Normal Rep is incorporating fresh voices and stories reflective of the audience's life into their productions. And then, we touch upon the profound—exploring the impact of tragedy and human behavior on his playwriting, particularly his play inspired by the events of 9/11. Listen in as we explore the world of theater, its challenges and triumphs, and the incredible power of storytelling. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Ever wondered how the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' came to be one of the most potent rallying cries of the 21st century? This week Antowan and I dove into the convoluted labyrinth of racial injustice in America, from the tragic death of Trayvon Martin that fueled the birth of this movement, to the systemic and intentional targeting of black people. Engaging in this crucial conversation, we not only scrutinize the impact of state-sanctioned violence on black lives but also reflect on our personal experiences surrounding racial equality. While we delve into the progression of the Black Lives Matter movement, we also underscore the importance of understanding its roots and response. It's not just a cry against police brutality, but it's also a demand for change, pushing for a society that values black lives equally. Strategies like political action, letter writing, campaigns, and nonviolent protests are paving the way, but it’s essential to consider the potential misconceptions of the movement's message and the challenges that come with accepting racial inequality. Finally, we explore how the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' intertwines with the chess game of life and how the need to feel superior can lead to detriment. We revisit the example of Trayvon Martin and the Florida Stand Your Ground Law, demonstrating how laws have enabled state-sanctioned violence since the 1600s. The movement is not just about highlighting the systemic and intentional targeting of black people, but about dismantling these oppressive systems. Join us, as we unpack these complexities and strive to understand why it's more important now than ever to say, loud and clear, Black Lives Matter. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Are you ready to challenge your perspectives and biases? We promise you a journey of self-exploration as we dissect the differences in how crime is perceived among Black and white communities. This episode is an eye-opener, revealing how media can paint a skewed picture and how personal experiences can shape our understanding. It’s a candid conversation about the unique experiences that create our world view. We then navigate the thorny world of crime and its root causes, pushing the boundaries of conventional thinking. Poverty, lack of structure, and power dynamics, it's all up for scrutiny. We also spotlight how political leaders and corporations may sometimes manipulate crime-related statistics for personal gain. Hence, we underscore the importance of ethical leadership and the implications of corporate decisions on workers and their families. Finally, we dive headfirst into the heated immigration debate and its impact on everyday Americans. This isn't just about policy; it's about the real-world effects on farmers, workers, and families across the states. We discuss how decisions made by large companies affect the people on the ground and emphasize the importance of crafting narratives that benefit all. This episode is a thought-provoking challenge to question our biases and understand the root cause of many issues. So tune in for a fresh perspective - this is one conversation you won't want to miss. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

What does it take to command your personal brand and navigate the complex world of self-esteem, morality, and success? In today's episode, we're thrilled to have Jeremy Ryan Slate, founder and president of Command Your Brand, join us for an eye-opening discussion on his incredible journey and insights. From hosting the Create Your Own Life podcast with notable guests like four-star generals and CIA directors, to founding his company with his wife, Brielle, Jeremy has plenty to share about hard work, resilience, and the value of meaningful conversations. We delve into the controversial topic of participation awards and the idea that self-esteem should be earned, not given. Jeremy reveals his thoughts on understanding why we fail in order to improve and the complexities of morality and spirituality in modern society. Together, we explore the state of education, the need for apprenticeship programs, and the challenges of politics and leadership today. Don't miss this captivating conversation with Jeremy Ryan Slate, filled with valuable insights and thought-provoking discussions that will leave you questioning your own perspectives on success, self-esteem, and the power of dialogue. Tune in to learn how you too can command your brand and make your mark on the world. Jeremy is the host of the Create Your Own Life Podcast, which studies the highest performers in the world. He studied literature at Oxford University, as well as holding a Master’s in Early Roman Empire Propaganda from Seton Hall University. His podcast was named the #1 Podcast to Listen To by INC Magazine in 2019, as well as Top 40 Under 40 by Podcast Magazine in 2022. Jeremy and his wife, Brielle, co-founded Command Your Brand—a new media public relations agency designed to help entrepreneurs share their message by appearing as guests on podcasts. He resides in Stillwater, NJ where he raises chickens and is a former competitive powerlifter. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Can we truly revolutionize the water industry? Join us for a captivating discussion with Riggs Eckelberry, a nationally renowned entrepreneur with a mission to transform the way we manage, treat, and appreciate water. In this conversation, Riggs shares his journey from the high tech world to the water industry, revealing the challenges he faced and the importance of disrupting an industry unprepared for change. Together, we explore the psychology and spirituality of water, its preciousness, and why we often take it for granted. We also dive into the topics of decentralized water systems, population growth, and deglobalization and how these factors impact water treatment infrastructure. Riggs shares his insights on how businesses and large water consumers are investing in their own water treatment solutions, as well as the potential of tokenizing payouts to create a water marketplace. Finally, we debate the effectiveness of the Biden infrastructure bill in addressing water infrastructure issues and the reality of the allocated funding. We discuss alternative solutions, like unburdening infrastructure and taking the load off remotely, and how the Gates Foundation is helping to convert sewage and develop clean water supplies in third-world countries. Don't miss this fascinating conversation on the future of the water industry and the importance of investing in this indispensable resource. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

How can we approach difficult conversations about police and social issues with a desire for resolution? Join Antowan and I as we discuss the importance of humility in these discussions, and challenge ourselves to find new approaches to address these problems. Our goal is to use this podcast as a way to soften hearts and bring lasting change. We also examine the concept of Lady Justice and her blindfold, representing the need for unbiased decisions in the court system. Together, we explore the systemic racism and inequality that exists in many courtrooms and how it affects people of color, such as Antowan's uncle. Discover the importance of being aware of local politics and the implications of electing judges, as our choices can directly affect the justice system. Lastly, we discuss the experience of standing mute when faced with criminal charges and the implications of such a plea. We reflect on the misuse of authority, the importance of giving second chances, and the politics in judicial appointments. Listen in as we consider how our choices, especially when voting, can work towards a fairer society. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

What if we told you that understanding the truth and facts surrounding race relations, inequality, and justice could help us create a more equitable world? Antowan joins me in this eye-opening conversation to unravel the complexities of justice and truth, especially as they relate to societal issues like addiction, poverty, and politics. Together, we aim to dispel myths, correct misunderstandings, and inspire change. Diving into distributive justice, we discuss the clash between those who have earned their wealth through hard work and those who believe they've been denied equal opportunities. From uncovering the root causes of injustice to exploring the power of humility and accountability, Antowan and I navigate the often-challenging terrain of race and morality. Addiction, a topic intrinsically linked to poverty and disconnection, is also put under the microscope as we examine the best ways to approach it with understanding and compassion. As we discuss restorative justice and potential solutions for addressing inequity, the role of politics and power in shaping our views on justice becomes apparent. We tackle the complexities of the voting system, political polarization, and the power of money in influencing narratives. Join us in this thought-provoking episode as we shine a light on the importance of focusing on the facts and working together to build a more just and equitable society for all. What does it say about us as a nation that we are willing and complacent about serving out Justice that is biased and corrupt. So many communities benefit from there being good, even and fair justice served. Others not so much. Join us as we try to unravel just a bit of the disruption caused by having two sets of rules. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

There have been many priceless moments during the years that I have been doing this podcast. I have talked with so many amazing people and learned so much from their journeys, and studies, and expertise. It is the wonder and beauty of being a life long learner that keeps me going in the face of the challenges we face in our modern world. My guest for this episode stands out as one of the most fascinating people I have ever talked with in my life. He is SO SMART and yet so willing to graciously share his knowledge that you never feel that he knows he is smart. We engaged in a conversation spanning continents, industries, and thought-provoking topics. Join me as I chat with global thought leader Emmanuel Daniel, whose insights will redefine how you think about the world around us. From his exposure to British colonial history to the admiration for penguins on the seventh continent, Emmanuel's unique perspective is sure to captivate your curiosity. Discover how personalization and individualism shape our lives, including our understanding of God and the role of technology in the banking and finance industry. As we explore the concept of the 'sovereign self' and the ongoing evolution of innovation, you'll gain a new perspective on the future of banking and the impact of personalization on the way we live and interact with the world. Don't miss this fascinating conversation with Emmanuel Daniel. By the end of our journey, you'll have been transported through his upbringing in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, marveled at the beauty of migratory birds, and reflected on the importance of personalization in every aspect of our lives. So come along, and let's uncover new ways of thinking about the world we live in. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

So, there's an obvious problem when the people that lay their lives on the line to protect us, (and that we depend upon for that security) have image, procedural, and behavioral issues that we see exploited in the media and demonstrated on the streets regularly. We don't see, nor are we regularly reminded of all the work that most officers do to try and keep their community's and themselves safe. But man do we ever hear about the times when they fail. More importantly, we DON'T hear about all the times when Police make a bad call in a situation that antagonizes people. Especially those that are already "behind the 8 ball" due to their economic condition, situational circumstances, or the color of their skin. The fact is that there are systemic problems that need to be discussed that range from spending the time and money (pony up taxpayers) necessary to prepare and maintain our policemen and women, as well as the laws that often have more to do with oppression than they do with justice. (Probably made some enemies with that comment). The reality is that being a police officer is a tough job, and it's one with horrible consequences when we get it wrong. So, let's get it right by figuring out the best tools for helping officers to keep themselves and us safe, while helping them to understand what happens when they allow their insecurities and biases (we ALL have those) to take over. Far too many people of color pay a huge price when that happens, and black people, have to stomach a LOT of anger and humiliation to avoid confrontations that can quickly result in incarceration, beatings or worse. That's not an indictment of Police, that's a condition that is perpetrated by ignorance. Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.