
Warfare of Art & Law Podcast
Arts & Culture Podcasts
Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
Location:
United States
Genres:
Arts & Culture Podcasts
Description:
Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
Language:
English
Contact:
9173642122
Website:
https://warfareofartandlaw.com/
Episodes
Fair Use and AI - A 2ND Saturday Exploration
11/19/2023
Show Notes:
0:00 Yelena Khajekian
1:30 Warhol v Goldsmith decision by SCOTUS
3:00 USCO NOI’s Question 8
4:00 Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., 593 U.S. ___ (2021)
4:20 liability question
4:45 Emily Gould - fair use
6:30 Alan Robertshaw - Warhol court’s focus on use of the work
7:50 Khajekian - artists’ perspective on Warhol decision
9:00 Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994)
10:20 confusion of fair use analysis and court’s aesthetic analysis
12:00 USCO NOI’s Question about fair use
13:00 Robertshaw - UK’s fair dealing analysis
15:50 Gould - big players like Getty
17:45 text and data mining exception
20:10 Drawdy - private contracting as a solution
21:00 Robertshaw - Getty
22:15 Khajekian - conceptual art
25:55 Warhol’s 2 Cir decision
26:50 Gould & Khajekian - Richard Prince decision held not fair use
27:20 Khajekian - equity issue
28:40 Gould - UK courts’ emphasis on purpose, e.g., Stormtrooper helmet case
30:30 Drawdy - amount and substantiality of use
31:10 Gould - Australian case about Men at Work’s use of folk song Kookaburra in its pop song Down Under
32:20 Robershaw - dispute over Vanilla Ice’s Ice Ice Baby
33:00 Ed Sheeran
34:15 Getty case pending in UK
35:00 Khajekian - international versus US issues
37:30 Robershaw - test that contemplates level of effort or end result regarding AI output
40:30 Gould - risks involved with AI
40:50 EU’s application-based approach
41:10 AI for medical applications
41:55 detecting forgeries will still require humans, e.g., conflicting AI results regarding Raphael
42:50 implicit bias in AI
43:15 dogs detecting forgeries
43:40 chickens detecting shapes
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
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Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:45:09
Glance at Culture - Martha Szabo's NYC Solo Exhibition & MSeum's Celebration of Unknown Female Artists
11/5/2023
Cover art: Martha Szabo, Rooftops in Snow 11, oil on linen, 24 x 35 in., circa 1964
To learn more, please visit the sites for Martha Szabo and MSeum.
Show Notes:
0:00 Art historian Kathleen Hulser
1:30 Journalist Julia Szabo’s motivation to work on Martha Szabo’s body of work
4:30 MSeum to be built in the Catskills
5:00 National Association of Women in Construction
7:50 Justice for unknown female artists
11:15 Museum’s mission related to blind and low-vision visitors
13:45 Sculpture Robin Antar’s limestone sculpture of Szabo’s “Red Sunset”
15:20 Legacy to be created with MSeum includes redefining storage
16:45 Visible storage space
18:30 Julia Szabo’s parents
19:45 ‘Mother Artist’ field of scholarship
20:00 Author Hettie Judah
21:20 Reception for Martha Szabo’s exhibition Up On the Roof
22:10 Artist Christina Massey
23:20 Museum’s director Kathleen Hulser
24:30 “Up On the Roof” exhibition curated by Hulser
26:00 “Incorrigibles” trans media project
27:45 MSeum’s creation and mission
34:15 Hulser’s scope a MuSeum
36:45 Martha Szabo’s background and how it impacted her work
43:15 Feedback about Martha Szabo’s solo exhibition Up On The Roof: Liberation, Transformation, Celebration
49:35 MSeum and exhibitions like “Up On The Roof” role in bringing some historical justice for female creatives
52:10 David Richard Gallery
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
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Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:54:31
Glance at Culture - Anna D. Smith shares about Los Angeles Prisoner Artist Donald "C-Note" Hooker
10/15/2023
Cover art by Donald "C-Note" Hooker: top image "Cell Time" (2019); bottom image "During the Flood" (2017)
To learn more, please visit the sites for Donald "C-Note" Hooker and Art for Redemption.
Show Notes:
0:00 Anna D. Smith discussing C-Note Hooker’s artwork entitled “During the Flood”
1:20 Smith’s background
3:15 Smith’s work as a court advocate
4:00 Smith’s adoption of son, Emmanuel
4:45 Smith’s contact with artist Donald “C-Note” Hooker
5:55 Art for Redemption coffee book
6:10 C-Note’s work related to social justice
6:45 “During the Flood” aka “Count Time”
7:50 California prison built on flood-prone areas
8:45 compensation for incarcerated workers
11:00 Smith’s efforts to sell C-Note’s artwork
11:45 billboards “Incarceration Nation” and “Look Up Hope and Beauty”
12:20 “Colored Girl Warhol”
13:20 Billboard events to raise awareness about issues for the individuals in the system, the homeless, parolees
14:10 “Incarceration Nation”
14:50 misconceptions about individuals in the system
16:45 defining justice and amendment of the 13th Amendment
19:00 power of imagery to impact social awareness about issues with the system
20:30 legacy and need for connections
21:00 Martin Luther King’s inspiration to love one’s enemies
24:00 incarcerated individual who entered contest about rehabilitation
27:00 view of justice for Smith began with her father’s work as teacher of economics to those incarcerated
30:30 Vanity Fair article
32:00 importance of the arts in the system
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:34:30
Transforming Vacant Buildings into Art: Social Change with Ernest Chrappah
10/1/2023
To learn more and support Vacant to Visual artists, please visit the CityKey website.
To reach out and learn more about Ernest Chrappah's work, please visit his website.
Show notes:
0:00 Ernest Chrappah
1:10 Chrappah’s background
4:00 Washington DC’s Vacant to Visual program
9:00 artists included in the Vacant to Visual program
9:50 Nia Keturah Calhoun
11:15 “Ro” Stephenson
12:00 Vacant to Visual NFTs
13:40 feedback from Vacant to Visual program
16:20 Vacant to Visual program as a model for other cities
18:20 his view on how art can be used to create a more just society
20:45 his defintiion of justice
23:15 future work
25:30 AI policy
28:30 Vacant To Visual Site and Vacant to Visual NFT purchase cite
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.
To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:31:27
Glance at Culture - Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller and Katharina Menschick Discussing the #lastseen Project's Analysis of Nazi Deportation Photographs
9/17/2023
To learn more, please visit the website for the #lastseen project.
SHOW NOTES:
0:00 Katharina Menschick on the response to #lastseen project
3:00 Menschick – research associate in Arolsen Archives’ historical research department dealing with digital memory projects, digital archival projects and archival theory
3:20 Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller – historian with Arolsen Archives and House of the Wannsee Conference in Berlin
3:45 mission of the #lastseen initiative
5:00 missing deportation photographs
6:00 deportation photographs found by American GI and returned during Nuremberg trials
7:00 request for deportation photographs
7:20 types of deportation photographs
8:30 Eisenach deportation – Magda Katz
9:00 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum research – donor identified uncle in photograph
11:15 deportation from Dr. Kreutzmüller’s hometown
12:30 questions about why photographers took the deportation photos
13:00 spectatorship / audience of the photographs
14:20 importance of photographs as a historical source
14:45 virtual interactive educational resource
16:45 German high school pupils’ assistance in developing educational resource
18:10 difficulty of discussing bystanders
19:30 photographs invite reflection
22:00 historical transparency by telling what they don’t know
25:00 giving context to photographs
28:30 gaze of those photographed
29:15 propaganda film in Warsaw Ghetto
30:20 legacy of their work
32:15 definition of justice – striving for fairness
33:00 real restoration cannot be achieved
34:00 doing justice to the photographs and to those in the photographs
34:45 restitution through archives
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.
To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:38:19
AI Policy From the UK to the US with Institute of Art and Law's Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation
9/3/2023
SHOW NOTES:
0:00 Alan Robertshaw
1:00 Emily Gould - overview of AI historical development
2:30 first phase - 1950s Alan Turing - machines do what they are told
3:10 second phase - machine learning creating models using data and develop methods to make decisions / predictions based on that data
3:50 third phase - deep learning usually using neural networks to mimic the human brain
4:50 GANs - part of third phase that involve generator and discriminator algorithms
5:55 Obvious’ Portrait of Edmond de Belamy
6:40 Robbie Barrett’s code used by Obvious
8:40 unpredictability in the deep learning phase
9:25 different tests applied to determine if a machine is intelligent
9:55 Turing test - machine is intelligent if you can’t tell the difference between responses by a human and a machine
10:10 Lovelace test - machine is intelligent if you can’t explain machine’s answer
11:20 ‘Alpha Go’ algorithm
13:30 uses of AI
14:20 huge training data sets
15:50 major risks with AI include copyright
17:10 privacy and data protection
17:20 transparency - deep fake
17:40 bias amplification
18:15 MIT researcher Joy Buolamwini’s work with facial analysis software
19:45 UK’s pro-innovation approach to AI
21:45 text and data mining (TDM) exception only for non-commercial use - proposal to expand to commercial use
24:25 Nov 2022 government decided not to expand TDM exception to commercial use
24:55 UK Pro-innovation Regulation of Technologies Review
26:45 A pro-innovation approach to AI regulation policy paper - no legislation in the short term, no move to central regulatory body for AI
29:30 AI described in UK white paper as including autonomy and adaptivity
32:25 Global Summit on AI Safety
32:45 EU AI Act with risk—based approach - June 2023 signed off by Parliament; final conclusions expected late 2023; operational circa 2026
36:35 US - AI suits pending
37:00 Robbie Barrett
38:00 opt in versus opt out policy
39:20 Senate testimony regarding UK’s AI advances
40:15 US Task Force on AI Policy proposed; Privacy Consumer Protection Framework
40:45 Getty v. Stability AI suits in US and UK
41:25 2024 elections and AI
44:00 Alan Robertshaw’s case with Getty
47:05 Gould: AI voice scam
48:00 Robertshaw: AI uses
50:20 AI medical screening
53:00 consciousness
56:00 Artist Sofia Crespo’s work with natural history
56:30 Lines and Bones by artist Iskra Velitchkova
56:50 Dawn Chorus Alexandra Daisy Ginsberg
57:30 projection for how artists in the UK will address AI issues
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.
To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:01:00:16
Glance at Culture - Michael Rohd on Theatre Arts, Social Cohesion, Social-Based Arts Programs and Civic Imagination
8/20/2023
To learn more, please visit the sites for Sojourn Theatre, One Nation/One Project, and the Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition.
Show Notes:
3:45 Rohd’s background
4:50 'Hope is Vital' project in DC area
7:00 Sojourn Theatre
10:10 2003 disruption in Oregon legislature
11:50 'Witness Our Schools' project - role of public education today
14:30 impact of bringing voices in and building relationships for a different kind of dialogue
15:15 criteria for success of arts-based work around civic issues
16:10 One Nation / One Project rooted in post-Great Depression Federal Theater project
22:15 local community involvement centered on building relationships
25:30 approach to critics of social-based arts programs
28:10 Center for Performance and Civil Practice (CPCP) - collective of 9
33:45 Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition with Arizona State University Art Museum Director Miki Garcia (Episode 79)
37:45 choreography / dramaturgy for Undoing Time
40:20 questions posed in Undoing Time
42:10 future project for the cards created from Undoing Time
44:45 aspect of justice included in the question he focuses on: who are we responsible for?
47:30 influence of teachers that led Rohd to his current work
49:50 legacy
51:30 Co-Lab for Civic Imagination in Montana
53:50 ‘Communities of Care’ model
54:15 Definition of Civic Imagination - like functional democracy
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:58:03
Attorney, Author and Podcaster Jeremy Richter aka J.W. Judge Discusses His Legal and Writing Practices, Traditional versus Self Publishing, AI and More
8/6/2023
To learn more, please visit the websites for Jeremy Richter, J.W. Judge, Scarlet Oak Press and The Write Approach podcast.
Show Notes:
1:00 Commercial litigation practice with Gordon Rees
4:00 Sustainable marketing and branding with writing law blog
5:00 Speaking and presenting at conferences on legal topics
5:20 Writing legal non-fiction on case management, client development
6:20 2018 ABA published book Building A Better Law Practice, 2019 Self published 2nd and third books Stop Putting Out Fires and Level Up Your Law Practice: The Ultimate Guide to Being a Successful Lawyer
7:40 August 2020 first novel Vulcan Rising
8:20 Research for family story from father’s side of family
8:50 Grandfather’s father murdered his estranged wife and himself in 1940
10:45 Research for second novel Seeking Sanctuary in The Zauberi Chronicles set in Germany’s Black Forest
14:30 Lawyerpreneur podcast ran from March 2020 to August 2022
16:50 The Write Approach podcast
18:45 Co-host Barbara Hinske
20:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 6: Dovetailing Creative Ideas and Smart Business Decisions with Kevin Tumlinson and reference to AI
20:45 AI changes
21:50 Chat GPT - rewrite of book blurb
22:40 Chat GPT-3 and Chat GPT-4
23:00 AI’s impact on jobs
24:00 AI for book cover ideas
24:25 Casual Business with Fairies
25:00 5th novel - Castaway meets a murder mystery
26:10 Publishing imprint Scarlet Oak Press
26:50 Do You Draw Pictures by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator)
27:35 Should We Shake On It by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator)
27:50 Mommy Needs a Minute by Claire E. Parsons & Naomi L. Hudson
29:00 Traditional publishing
31:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 33: From Spicy Romance to Chart-Topping Suspense with Alessandra Torre
31:25 Evolution of his business goals and intent for future work
32:50 Pursuit of multiple careers
34:25 Definition of justice
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Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:37:36
Glance at Culture - Artist Farook Mohammed on Using Art As A Weapon
7/16/2023
Cover art After World War III, 2020, oil on board, 60 cm x 80 cm, by Farook Mohammed
To learn more, please visit the website for the Afro Arabian Empire.
Show Notes:
00:45 Pan-African mission of his artwork that combines the diversity of Africa
2:30 artwork to promote brotherhood and unity for Africa and the world
8:00 artwork tells stories that include a focus on identity and gender
10:00 childhood
12:25 social constructs
15:30 power of art
16:00 legacy he want to leave
18:00 under-population of the world
18:40 sustainable development
19:00 examples of his work
22:30 women
23:10 Man’s Endeavor
25:00 life outside the earth
26:30 use of AI
30:30 regulations on use of technology
32:15 transparency about use of AI to create art
33:00 Chat GPT
34:40 open market
36:20 used Midjourney for ideas
38:20 use of AI for bad reasons
39:15 drone technology
40:20 Elon Musk
40:50 After World War III
44:30 claims against S African media houses
47:30 Afro Arabian Empire
47:55 group exhibition planned for Mantis Boutique
48:30 Continental Pan-Africa Art Exhibition
49:45 view of justice
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:54:52
NFT Update with Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation
7/1/2023
To learn more: 18 April 2023 UK Parliament's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee regarding NFTs and the blockchain, Emily Gould's correspondence following the hearing on several issues touched on by the Committee; and NFT-related posts on the IAL Blog.
Show Notes:
1:15 Beeple sold ”Everydays — The First 5000 Days” for $69 million
2:45 The Art Basel and UBS Global Art Market Report
3:00 current global art market valued at 67.8 billion
3:15 current art-related NFTs valued at $1.5 billion
3:50 collectibles-related NFTs valued at 11.8 billion
5:00 Parliamentary committee
5:50 NFT life cycle
6:40 NFT defined
10:50 Distributed Ledger Technology
12:20 Ethereum
14:20 Web 1-3
15:50 Metaverse
16:50 holograms
17:35 stakeholders
22:50 resale royalty right
24:00 NFTs taken off chain will break royalty under smart contract
27:15 Flipkick - NFT authentication service
27:25 Artclear - NFT authentication service
28:00 blockchain and provenance
30:40 fractional ownership
31:40 DAOs
32:40 fractional.art
32:55 Artsect Gallery
34:50 Copyright infringement
37:00 licensing
37:40 Injective Protocol purchased/burnt Banksy's Morons (White)
38:50 Daystorm posted NFT of Basquiat for sale along with IP rights
39:30 TM infringement - MetaBirkin NFTs
40:30 commercial risks
41:00 NFT platform liability and disclaimers
42:00 EU copyright directive
42:25 Soleymani v. Nifty Gateway
44:10 UK consumer rights act protection for Soleymani
44:30 illicit activity - theft of NFTs or unauthorized minting of NFTs
44:45 ex-OpenSea employee convicted of fraud/money laundering
45:15 Osbourne v Opensea & Tulip Trading Limited v Bitcoin
45:30 property status of NFTs
46:00 money laundering
46:25 financial risks
48:00 tax & estate planning
48:15 environmental concerns
50:00 Whitworth Gallery’s Ancient of Days
51:10 Vacant-To-Visual Program
52:40 Hirst’s Currency project
54:05 Alan Robertshaw
54:30 Currency project results slightly favored physical works over NFT
55:45 Hirst’s The Beautiful Paintings project
56:35 international body
57:20 Robershaw
58:40 conflict between smart contracts and natural term licensing
1:00:30 Robertshaw
1:01:10 transaction time
1:02:20 "trustless" system actually requires trust
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:01:06:00
Glance at Culture - Cultural Heritage Preservation Lawyers' Committee Fellow Jan Felman on the Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition
6/18/2023
To learn more, please visit the websites for the Max Stern Restitution Project, the HEAR Act, the Second Circuit's decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Zurückgeben Foundation and Almost Lost: the Heinemann Legacy (Before, During, and After the Holocaust).
Show Notes:
1:30 Max Stern Art Restitution Project
2:30 Dr. Max Stern
5:00 Stern’s restitution efforts
8:00 Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition
9:50 Sales under duress
10:15 Auctions at cut-rate prices as an encouragement to the German people
13:15 Rug in the office of Angela Merkel
14:20 Russian exhibition of looted German objects
16:00 German Lost Art Foundation
17:00 Mosse Art Research Initiative - partly funded by German Lost Art Foundation
18:10 Thieves able to give good title under German law
20:40 Hilde Schramm - German politician for Alliance 90/The Greens, daughter of German architect/Nazi Party official Albert Speer
21:20 The Zurückgeben Foundation - organization started by Schramm
21:45 City of Lüneburg, Germany honored Jewish Heinemann family whose objects were looted
22:45 Heinemann family donated looted objects back to the Lüneburg Museum
23:20 Holocaust Expropriation Art Recovery (HEAR) Act
24:40 Second Circuit decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art
25:00 Doctrine of Laches
27:40 New focus of research on difficulty of being honest about genocide restitution
28:30 Theft of works from Ukrainian museums
33:20 Dehumanization as part of genocide
34:00 Denial of wrongs committed in genocide
35:00 Russia’s prior theft of Ukrainian cultural heritage
35:20 World’s tolerance / denial of genocide
36:20 Need for empathy
36:30 What is a bystander
36:50 Spain’s policy as an allegedly neutral party during WWII
38:00 Concept of justice
38:45 Andrew Smith - The Met’s reasoning
40:45 British Museum’s policy that Elgin Marbles are part of UK heritage
42:40 HEAR Act’s legislative intent ignored by the Court
43:45 Picasso’s The Actor was a gift to the Met
44:20 Vienna case of painting looted from Alma Mahler (Edvard Munch's "Summer Night at the Beach") restituted in 2001 by Belvedere Museum to Mahler's granddaughter, Marina
46:30 Alan Robertshaw - neutral area that serviced U boats
47:20 Alan Robertshaw - 1995 abolishment of UK’s market overt - English legal concept from mediaeval times that allowed subsequent ownership of stolen goods
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.
To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:50:05
Environmental Lawyer, King's Counsel and Artist Stephen Tromans Discussing his Golgotha Series on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, His Practices of Law and Art, and Art's Role In Addressing Injustice
6/4/2023
Cover image by Stephen Tromans: Climate Innocence, 1957, oil on board, 20x24 inches
To view Stephen Tromans' work, please visit Mr. Tromans' website and Instagram as well as Ely Cathedral's feature of his Golgotha series, the Cambridge Drawing Society's discussion of his work and the Gallery Holt.
Show Notes:
1:30 Troman’s choice to go into law, specifically environmental law
2:45 Lord Denning
3:30 Troman’s work as a painter
4:30 Diploma in oil painting
5:00 Influenced by Turner, Caravaggio, Goya
5:30 Scotland’s Joan Eardley
5:40 Royal Academician Fred Cuming
6:30 mixed media and collage
6:50 Hong Kong urbanscapes
9:20 Golgotha series
12:00 Ely Cathedral
15:00 feedback from Golgotha series
15:45 Ukrainian children and their toys as a focus in Golgotha series
18:00 future cathedral venues for Golgotha series
18:45 current work
20:20 environmentally-related art
22:00 Climate Innocence, 1957 - acceptance of pollution
23:00 Troman’s process
24:00 art’s function to speak to social issues
26:00 compliments between legal and creative work
28:50 legacy
31:30 definition of justice
34:15 how Troman’s artwork speaks to justice
35:15 the power of Picasso’s Guernica
Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com
To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.
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To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.
Thanks so much for listening!
© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:37:08
Glance at Culture - Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq on the International Child Art Foundation, the World Children's Festival, the Child Art Magazine and CreativeEmpaths
5/21/2023
To learn more, please visit the sites for International Child Art Foundation, World Children's Festival and the International Child Arts Olympiad (with coming plans for the Paris 2024 Olympics ).
Show Notes:
2:30 children’s creativity
3:30 empathy needed due to moral neutrality of creativity
4:30 adverse childhood experiences
5:20 transgenerational transmission of trauma and hatred
6:00 the International Child Art Foundation’s Arts Olympiad and World’s Children Festival
8:40 creative-empaths
9:30 Arts Olympiad winners at National Mall in Washington, DC for World’s Children Festival
11:50 overview of Ishaq’s background and work at World Bank
13:10 why adult’s imagination dries up
13:30 the fourth grade slump
15:40 2013 book “The Creativity Revolution: Reinvent Your Creative Self to Shape the Future and Prosper”
17:30 1 of 5 types of creators: Native
17:50 2 of 5 types of creators: Nomad
18:20 3 of 5 types of creators: Savant
18:55 4 of 5 types of creators: Empathic
19:15 5 of 5 types of creators: Spiritual
20:20 Book mixes history, economics and neuroscience
22:30 collaborated with National Institute of Health on its ABCD Study
24:00 MRI studies show 7-12 year olds are age group most prone to empathy
26:20 Healings Art Program began after Asian tsunami
29:10 Peace Through Art Program began after 9/11 attacks
31:10 ICAF’s collaboration on treasure hunt book “Xavier Marx and the Missing Masterpieces”
32:10 UN General Assembly’s efforts to revive human security campaign
35:40 ICAF has had approximately 5 million children participated in Arts Olympiad to date
38:30 American Academy of Arts and Sciences’s 2021 report on the attributes, values and skills that come from arts education, including social and emotional development, school engagement and civic and social participation
39:15 children from certain countries can’t participate, e.g., North Korea
40:40 participants from African countries
41:10 blind musical group from Zimbabwe
41:30 indigenous from New Zealand playing the a traditional dance of that country's Māori people, the haka
42:40 ICAF;s current work and structured lesson plans
43:45 fall semester 2023 for next program
44:30 summer 2024 for next festival
46:30 scholarships
47:00 participants from Romania
48:30 social function of art
50:10 9/11 began his thought about moral neutrality of creativity
53:00 upcoming festival project for partipants to create children’s earth flag for NASA’s first human mission to Mars
54:15 UN’s human securities artworks
56:30 new mothers as supporters
57:00 ChildArt Magazine
58:00 magazine’s theme on the power of words, mindfulness, Metaverse, animal Art
59:20 Legacy
1:00:00 pre-WWII, Olympics gave awards for the arts
1:00:50 Paris 2024 Olympics and LA 2028 Olympics
1:01:45 definition of justice
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:01:06:14
Careers in Art & Law - A 2ND Saturday Conversation
5/7/2023
Please visit the following links to learn more:
Queen Mary’s LLM in Art, Business and Law and the Institute of Art and Law.
Show Notes:
1:00 Stephanie Drawdy - introduction
1:20 Emily Gould - overview of the Institute of Art and Law (IAL)
5:20 Gould’s background
7:35 careers in art law practice
9:35 Janan Foster - background and experience with Art, Business and Law LLM
11:35 Chiara Gallo - background and experience with Art, Business and Law LLM
15:40 Jane (Chang Yue) Liu - experience with Siena program and internship with IAL
18:40 Chelsea Conyers - experience with Siena program and internship with IAL
20:35 Gina McKlveen - experience as an artist, law student and now lawyer
27:40 Gould on IAL blog
28:40 Alan Robertshaw
29:10 McKlveen’s beginning interest in art and law
30:15 Jerry Alonzo’s experience in the law and arts
34:10 Charles Sabba’s experience in the military, law enforcement and the arts
43:05 Nnebundo Obi
44:45 Charles Sabba
45:40 Emily Gould re: interdisciplinary nature of art law cases
46:35 Alan Robertshaw’s law practice
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:52:20
*Bonus* "Exposed" (LP) from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid
4/18/2023
"Exposed" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.
Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022.
The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law:
Episode 38: Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & Social Justice
Episode 27: Nazi Plundered Art: Nathan Diament On the Legacy of Artist J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954)
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:04:11
Glance at Culture - Ukraine War Museum's Milena Chorna Discusses the "Ukraine. Crucifix" Project, Artifacts of War and Russian Imperialism
4/16/2023
To learn more, please visit the website for Ukraine's War Museum.
Cover photo by Viktor Byshev of the Church of the Nativity of the Holy Virgin in Peremoha that Russians attacked and damaged. Left in the photo is Dr. Yurii Savchuk and right is the clergyman from the Church, Oleksandr Yarmolchyk.
Show Notes:
1:30 National Museum of the History of Ukraine in the Second World War
2:00 War Museum’s exhibition on 24 February 2022
2:20 “Forever Free Ukraine” curated by Director General Dr. Yurii Savchuk
4:00 War Museum’s removal of exhibitions on 24 February 2022
5:20 “Forever Free Ukraine” exhibition now in Lithuania
6:00 Ukrainian museum workers are mostly women
6:25 Swedish photographer of Polish descent Andrzej Markiewicz volunteered to document areas that were de-occupied
7:00 33 field trips
8:00 Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania
9:10 New York exhibition “Ukraine. Crucifix. Tribunal”
9:15 Latvia exhibition “Ukraine. Crucifix. 360”
9:35 message from exhibition “there always should come light”
10:00 Dr. Yurii Savchuk
11:00 Designer/Artist Anton Logov
11:45 symbols from the Soviet Union
12:20 military helmets - star and “Lenin”
12:50 insurgent army 1960s
13:15 boots symbol
13:50 star symbol
20:15 motivators for Russians to annihilate Ukrainian cultural heritage
20:20 18th Century Ukrainian philosopher Hryhorii (Gregory) Skovoroda Museum
21:15 Russians targeting gold
21:30 Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, an 11th-century Orthodox cave monastery complex
22:15 Ukrainian established circa 11th C
23:15 Maria Prymachenko-The Ivankiv Historical and Local History Museum
24:25 Ukraine Museum Crisis Center
24:25 Ukraine Museum Crisis Center while working for the State Agency of Arts and Artistic Education focusing on developing artistic education
25:00 Luhansk Museum of Local Lore Director Olesya Milovanova
31:15: collaboration
32:15 dealings with Russian museums
35:50 “Children…” memorial
36:50 “Tree of Life”
37:20 Ukrainian Museum of Canada
38:00 symbol of doors
38:45 “United for Justice” exhibition
39:20 New York exhibition
39:45 door in exhibition is from basement in Yahidne
42:00 Crucifixion exhibition includes basement bomb shelter
45:00 “United for Justice” exhibition
45:30 justice
47:40 working trip to Holland in March 2023
49:15 Russian civilians are the invaders
49:30 Hermitage director who justifies what’s going on should at least be punished by opinions of his colleagues
49:45 Russia in ICOM and UN
50:20 “If Russian Empire collapses - maybe that would be some kind of justice”
51:00 artefact from Kherson after it was de-occupied on November 11
51:30 flag
52:50 feedback of civilians about exhibition
54:45 feedback of soldiers about exhibition
55:40 commemoration days twice per month
56:50 mission
57:45 message to those outside Ukraine
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:01:00:47
Dr. Randall Horton on the Collaborative Radical Reversal Project, Mass Incarceration, Reformation and Justice
4/2/2023
Cover Image by Diane Allford
To learn more, please visit the sites for Randall Horton and Radical Reversal.
Show Notes:
00:00 Dr. Randall Horton’s work in poetry
02:00 Dr. Horton’s work as poet/writer, professor of English at University of New Haven, system-impacted
03:10 Chicago State’s MFA program
03:20 Definition of Place by Horton
03:30 PhD in Poetry and Poetics from SUNY Albany
04:20 poetry avant-garde band Heros of Gang Leaders
05:00 Creative Capital proposal to put creative space in the carceral state
07:00 Suffolk County House of Corrections in Boston, Massachusetts
07:30 Radical Reversal
08:30 pilot program in Burmingham, AL - Jefferson County Youth Detention Center
8:55 Minnesota Prison Writers Workshop with Jennifer Bowen-Hicks
9:00 Boston’s Writers Without Margins with Cheryl Buchanan
10:15 Jefferson County Youth Detention Center Director Monique Greer
17:20 workshops in Jefferson County Youth Detention Center
18:50 Little K - what if you don’t know no beautiful
21:00 Little E
22:10 Ain’t No Love In the Streets
26:20 art as a guide
28:00 partnering with Greer to continue pilot program
31:30 Radical Reversal’s space to stay in place going forward
32:30 Minnesota Department of Correction’s unit to have four recording booths
34:00 Radical Reading Series
34:30 Artist Masego
36:50 follow up work with individuals in the facility
37:00 poem entitled Imagine
41:00 collaboration with facility staff
42:00 The Road Less Traveled
46:30 poem entitled To Live and Die in Burmingham, Alabama published in London
49:00 inspired by Nietzsche’s 1887 On the Genealogy of Morality
49:40 going after humanity and a moral compass
51:00 legacy created with his work and Radical Reversal
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:57:03
Glance at Culture - Artists' Talk about Upcoming NYC Group Show of Artists Who Work In or Study the Law
3/19/2023
To learn more and view their work, please visit the sites for Stefania Salles Bruins, Nnebundo Obi and Geoffrey Stein.
0:00 Artist and attorney Geoff Stein describing his collage work
2:00 Artist and attorney Stefania Salles Bruins describes genesis of theme for “Portraits As Still Lives” group show
3:45 Stephanie Drawdy on her work for the group show
5:00 Stein on his perspective on the head as a subject
6:00 Stein on his work in collage
9:30 Salles Bruins on symbolism in her work
11:40 Stein on letting work speak for itself
12:25 Stein on how his work during Iraq war was seen as painting of hostage
13:40 Salles Bruins’ experience with instructors at New York Academy of Art
14:30 Salomé with Head of John the Baptist inspiration for Salles Bruins
16:00 Salles Bruins’ self-portrait mimics Girl With Pearl Earring
18:00 projecting and gridding
19:30 Artist and Negel Research Associate Nnebundo Obi on her portrait of her mother
20:30 “Seeing Through My Third Eye” by Obi
22:30 Portrait of Obi’s father
26:00 Peter Drake’s use of slow dry medium to work in acrylic
27:25 “Take the Stinger Out Please” self-portrait copper etching by Obi
29:40 companion copper etching by Obi
30:00 Stein on his collage portrait of Liz Cheney
33:10 Stein’s website features stop action video of the Cheney portrait in process
33:40 portrait of VP Harris
34:00 portrait of Pres Biden
35:00 use of photographs
39:00 details in the Cheney portrait
39:30 Milton Glaser’s work
40:00 Stein’s preference for work that flips between plasticity and graphic flatness
40:30 Obi’s experience with collage
41:50 Stein’s thought of collage as pieces of paint
42:30 sanding of collage
43:30 use of water on Xerox paper
44:00 portrait of Obama
45:00 photograph of newspaper headline of “Voters reject Cheney” from local paper used in Photoshop for use in Cheney portrait
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:46:50
Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr. on Italian Cultural Patrimony, Art Theft, Isabella Stewart Gardner's Collection Practices, the Gardner Heist, the Getty's Failure to Return the Lysippos di Fano and more
3/5/2023
Cover art - The Scream, fingerprint ink on police print card done in thumb print, 2" x 1-1/4", 2004 copyright Charles Vincent Sabba
The following are links for Charles Sabba's artwork, blog and articles with La Voce di New York.
Show Notes
0:00 Sabba’s great-grandfather
3:45 retired police captain
4:15 duCret School of Art in Plainfield, NJ
4:50 1986 - Austrialian Cultural Terrorists stole Weeping Woman by Picasso
6:20 NYPD Art Theft Investigator
3:40 US Navy
7:30 Naples, Italy
8:35 federal corrections’ witness protection unit
11:20 School of Visual Arts
11:40 Betty Thompkins
11:44 Andrew Gensel
11:45 Anton van Dalen and his show at the PPOW Gallery
12:25 Fred DePalma
13:00 influence of his police work on his art
14:30 documentary Defending the Peninsula
18:00 the era of power and money over cultural patrimony
18:40 Napoleon’s looting of Italy
20:30 Monuments Men
21:55 1800s Papal Edict governing exportation of works from Italy
22:30 1947 article 9 of Italy’s Constitution
23:50 collection of Gardner Museum
24:35 Vermeer’s The Concert purchased by Gardner
26:00 Getty Trust - fight over Euphronios Krater with the Met
27:45 Manhattan DA’s office April 2022 seizure
28:30 Lysippos di Fano Bronze
34:30 agreement to table discussion about return of Lysippos pending Italian court ruling
36:45 assertion that the Lysippos is Greek not Italian
39:30 status of request for return of Lysippos
39:50 History Channel television series Histories Greatest Heists with Pierce Brosnan
41:00 paint chips sent to Boston Herald related to Gardner Heist
44:00 1997 - William Youngworth negotiated with Gardner Museum for return of stolen works via prosecutors
45:45 Chicago-based Expert Walter McCrone determined paint chips were from Rembrandt.
48:35 1998 - Vermeer expert
49:10 2003 - Dr. Hubert von Sonnenburg, Chairman of Paintings Conservation at The Met, found chips were consistent with the Vermeer
50:00 Dr. Jennifer Mass’ opinion about the Sonnenberg’s opinion on the paint chips
52:30 Sabba’s painting practice reflects his interest in art crime - fingerprint paintings
53:50 Sabba’s portraits of individuals involved in art crime
55:25 Art critic Jerry Saltz
56:30 Y Gallery
58:15 artists that speak to social issues, e.g., prison reform
1:01:25 Sophie Calle: Last Seen
1:02:05 climate activists’ attacks on soft targets
1:06:40 Justice defined
1:09:20 Legacy
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:01:12:46
*BONUS* "Restoration" from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid
2/20/2023
"Restoration" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.
Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022.
The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law:
Episode 34: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels
Episode 48: Columbia Law School's Inaugural Artist-In-Residence Bayeté Ross Smith
Episode 102: Retired Police Captain and Artist Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr.
Episode upcoming: Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller from the #lastseen project
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© Stephanie Drawdy [2023]
Duration:00:04:23