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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.

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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.

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Episodes

Fair Use and AI - A 2ND Saturday Exploration

11/19/2023
Show Notes: 0:00 Yelena Khajekian 1:30 Warhol v Goldsmith decision by SCOTUS 3:00 USCO NOI’s Question 8 4:00 Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., 593 U.S. ___ (2021) 4:20 liability question 4:45 Emily Gould - fair use 6:30 Alan Robertshaw - Warhol court’s focus on use of the work 7:50 Khajekian - artists’ perspective on Warhol decision 9:00 Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994) 10:20 confusion of fair use analysis and court’s aesthetic analysis 12:00 USCO NOI’s Question about fair use 13:00 Robertshaw - UK’s fair dealing analysis 15:50 Gould - big players like Getty 17:45 text and data mining exception 20:10 Drawdy - private contracting as a solution 21:00 Robertshaw - Getty 22:15 Khajekian - conceptual art 25:55 Warhol’s 2 Cir decision 26:50 Gould & Khajekian - Richard Prince decision held not fair use 27:20 Khajekian - equity issue 28:40 Gould - UK courts’ emphasis on purpose, e.g., Stormtrooper helmet case 30:30 Drawdy - amount and substantiality of use 31:10 Gould - Australian case about Men at Work’s use of folk song Kookaburra in its pop song Down Under 32:20 Robershaw - dispute over Vanilla Ice’s Ice Ice Baby 33:00 Ed Sheeran 34:15 Getty case pending in UK 35:00 Khajekian - international versus US issues 37:30 Robershaw - test that contemplates level of effort or end result regarding AI output 40:30 Gould - risks involved with AI 40:50 EU’s application-based approach 41:10 AI for medical applications 41:55 detecting forgeries will still require humans, e.g., conflicting AI results regarding Raphael 42:50 implicit bias in AI 43:15 dogs detecting forgeries 43:40 chickens detecting shapes Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:45:09

Glance at Culture - Martha Szabo's NYC Solo Exhibition & MSeum's Celebration of Unknown Female Artists

11/5/2023
Cover art: Martha Szabo, Rooftops in Snow 11, oil on linen, 24 x 35 in., circa 1964 To learn more, please visit the sites for Martha Szabo and MSeum. Show Notes: 0:00 Art historian Kathleen Hulser 1:30 Journalist Julia Szabo’s motivation to work on Martha Szabo’s body of work 4:30 MSeum to be built in the Catskills 5:00 National Association of Women in Construction 7:50 Justice for unknown female artists 11:15 Museum’s mission related to blind and low-vision visitors 13:45 Sculpture Robin Antar’s limestone sculpture of Szabo’s “Red Sunset” 15:20 Legacy to be created with MSeum includes redefining storage 16:45 Visible storage space 18:30 Julia Szabo’s parents 19:45 ‘Mother Artist’ field of scholarship 20:00 Author Hettie Judah 21:20 Reception for Martha Szabo’s exhibition Up On the Roof 22:10 Artist Christina Massey 23:20 Museum’s director Kathleen Hulser 24:30 “Up On the Roof” exhibition curated by Hulser 26:00 “Incorrigibles” trans media project 27:45 MSeum’s creation and mission 34:15 Hulser’s scope a MuSeum 36:45 Martha Szabo’s background and how it impacted her work 43:15 Feedback about Martha Szabo’s solo exhibition Up On The Roof: Liberation, Transformation, Celebration 49:35 MSeum and exhibitions like “Up On The Roof” role in bringing some historical justice for female creatives 52:10 David Richard Gallery Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:54:31

Glance at Culture - Anna D. Smith shares about Los Angeles Prisoner Artist Donald "C-Note" Hooker

10/15/2023
Cover art by Donald "C-Note" Hooker: top image "Cell Time" (2019); bottom image "During the Flood" (2017) To learn more, please visit the sites for Donald "C-Note" Hooker and Art for Redemption. Show Notes: 0:00 Anna D. Smith discussing C-Note Hooker’s artwork entitled “During the Flood” 1:20 Smith’s background 3:15 Smith’s work as a court advocate 4:00 Smith’s adoption of son, Emmanuel 4:45 Smith’s contact with artist Donald “C-Note” Hooker 5:55 Art for Redemption coffee book 6:10 C-Note’s work related to social justice 6:45 “During the Flood” aka “Count Time” 7:50 California prison built on flood-prone areas 8:45 compensation for incarcerated workers 11:00 Smith’s efforts to sell C-Note’s artwork 11:45 billboards “Incarceration Nation” and “Look Up Hope and Beauty” 12:20 “Colored Girl Warhol” 13:20 Billboard events to raise awareness about issues for the individuals in the system, the homeless, parolees 14:10 “Incarceration Nation” 14:50 misconceptions about individuals in the system 16:45 defining justice and amendment of the 13th Amendment 19:00 power of imagery to impact social awareness about issues with the system 20:30 legacy and need for connections 21:00 Martin Luther King’s inspiration to love one’s enemies 24:00 incarcerated individual who entered contest about rehabilitation 27:00 view of justice for Smith began with her father’s work as teacher of economics to those incarcerated 30:30 Vanity Fair article 32:00 importance of the arts in the system Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:34:30

Transforming Vacant Buildings into Art: Social Change with Ernest Chrappah

10/1/2023
To learn more and support Vacant to Visual artists, please visit the CityKey website. To reach out and learn more about Ernest Chrappah's work, please visit his website. Show notes: 0:00 Ernest Chrappah 1:10 Chrappah’s background 4:00 Washington DC’s Vacant to Visual program 9:00 artists included in the Vacant to Visual program 9:50 Nia Keturah Calhoun 11:15 “Ro” Stephenson 12:00 Vacant to Visual NFTs 13:40 feedback from Vacant to Visual program 16:20 Vacant to Visual program as a model for other cities 18:20 his view on how art can be used to create a more just society 20:45 his defintiion of justice 23:15 future work 25:30 AI policy 28:30 Vacant To Visual Site and Vacant to Visual NFT purchase cite Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:31:27

Glance at Culture - Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller and Katharina Menschick Discussing the #lastseen Project's Analysis of Nazi Deportation Photographs

9/17/2023
To learn more, please visit the website for the #lastseen project. SHOW NOTES: 0:00 Katharina Menschick on the response to #lastseen project 3:00 Menschick – research associate in Arolsen Archives’ historical research department dealing with digital memory projects, digital archival projects and archival theory 3:20 Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller – historian with Arolsen Archives and House of the Wannsee Conference in Berlin 3:45 mission of the #lastseen initiative 5:00 missing deportation photographs 6:00 deportation photographs found by American GI and returned during Nuremberg trials 7:00 request for deportation photographs 7:20 types of deportation photographs 8:30 Eisenach deportation – Magda Katz 9:00 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum research – donor identified uncle in photograph 11:15 deportation from Dr. Kreutzmüller’s hometown 12:30 questions about why photographers took the deportation photos 13:00 spectatorship / audience of the photographs 14:20 importance of photographs as a historical source 14:45 virtual interactive educational resource 16:45 German high school pupils’ assistance in developing educational resource 18:10 difficulty of discussing bystanders 19:30 photographs invite reflection 22:00 historical transparency by telling what they don’t know 25:00 giving context to photographs 28:30 gaze of those photographed 29:15 propaganda film in Warsaw Ghetto 30:20 legacy of their work 32:15 definition of justice – striving for fairness 33:00 real restoration cannot be achieved 34:00 doing justice to the photographs and to those in the photographs 34:45 restitution through archives Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:38:19

AI Policy From the UK to the US with Institute of Art and Law's Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

9/3/2023
SHOW NOTES: 0:00 Alan Robertshaw 1:00 Emily Gould - overview of AI historical development 2:30 first phase - 1950s Alan Turing - machines do what they are told 3:10 second phase - machine learning creating models using data and develop methods to make decisions / predictions based on that data 3:50 third phase - deep learning usually using neural networks to mimic the human brain 4:50 GANs - part of third phase that involve generator and discriminator algorithms 5:55 Obvious’ Portrait of Edmond de Belamy 6:40 Robbie Barrett’s code used by Obvious 8:40 unpredictability in the deep learning phase 9:25 different tests applied to determine if a machine is intelligent 9:55 Turing test - machine is intelligent if you can’t tell the difference between responses by a human and a machine 10:10 Lovelace test - machine is intelligent if you can’t explain machine’s answer 11:20 ‘Alpha Go’ algorithm 13:30 uses of AI 14:20 huge training data sets 15:50 major risks with AI include copyright 17:10 privacy and data protection 17:20 transparency - deep fake 17:40 bias amplification 18:15 MIT researcher Joy Buolamwini’s work with facial analysis software 19:45 UK’s pro-innovation approach to AI 21:45 text and data mining (TDM) exception only for non-commercial use - proposal to expand to commercial use 24:25 Nov 2022 government decided not to expand TDM exception to commercial use 24:55 UK Pro-innovation Regulation of Technologies Review 26:45 A pro-innovation approach to AI regulation policy paper - no legislation in the short term, no move to central regulatory body for AI 29:30 AI described in UK white paper as including autonomy and adaptivity 32:25 Global Summit on AI Safety 32:45 EU AI Act with risk—based approach - June 2023 signed off by Parliament; final conclusions expected late 2023; operational circa 2026 36:35 US - AI suits pending 37:00 Robbie Barrett 38:00 opt in versus opt out policy 39:20 Senate testimony regarding UK’s AI advances 40:15 US Task Force on AI Policy proposed; Privacy Consumer Protection Framework 40:45 Getty v. Stability AI suits in US and UK 41:25 2024 elections and AI 44:00 Alan Robertshaw’s case with Getty 47:05 Gould: AI voice scam 48:00 Robertshaw: AI uses 50:20 AI medical screening 53:00 consciousness 56:00 Artist Sofia Crespo’s work with natural history 56:30 Lines and Bones by artist Iskra Velitchkova 56:50 Dawn Chorus Alexandra Daisy Ginsberg 57:30 projection for how artists in the UK will address AI issues Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:01:00:16

Glance at Culture - Michael Rohd on Theatre Arts, Social Cohesion, Social-Based Arts Programs and Civic Imagination

8/20/2023
To learn more, please visit the sites for Sojourn Theatre, One Nation/One Project, and the Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition. Show Notes: 3:45 Rohd’s background 4:50 'Hope is Vital' project in DC area 7:00 Sojourn Theatre 10:10 2003 disruption in Oregon legislature 11:50 'Witness Our Schools' project - role of public education today 14:30 impact of bringing voices in and building relationships for a different kind of dialogue 15:15 criteria for success of arts-based work around civic issues 16:10 One Nation / One Project rooted in post-Great Depression Federal Theater project 22:15 local community involvement centered on building relationships 25:30 approach to critics of social-based arts programs 28:10 Center for Performance and Civil Practice (CPCP) - collective of 9 33:45 Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition with Arizona State University Art Museum Director Miki Garcia (Episode 79) 37:45 choreography / dramaturgy for Undoing Time 40:20 questions posed in Undoing Time 42:10 future project for the cards created from Undoing Time 44:45 aspect of justice included in the question he focuses on: who are we responsible for? 47:30 influence of teachers that led Rohd to his current work 49:50 legacy 51:30 Co-Lab for Civic Imagination in Montana 53:50 ‘Communities of Care’ model 54:15 Definition of Civic Imagination - like functional democracy Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:58:03

Attorney, Author and Podcaster Jeremy Richter aka J.W. Judge Discusses His Legal and Writing Practices, Traditional versus Self Publishing, AI and More

8/6/2023
To learn more, please visit the websites for Jeremy Richter, J.W. Judge, Scarlet Oak Press and The Write Approach podcast. Show Notes: 1:00 Commercial litigation practice with Gordon Rees 4:00 Sustainable marketing and branding with writing law blog 5:00 Speaking and presenting at conferences on legal topics 5:20 Writing legal non-fiction on case management, client development 6:20 2018 ABA published book Building A Better Law Practice, 2019 Self published 2nd and third books Stop Putting Out Fires and Level Up Your Law Practice: The Ultimate Guide to Being a Successful Lawyer 7:40 August 2020 first novel Vulcan Rising 8:20 Research for family story from father’s side of family 8:50 Grandfather’s father murdered his estranged wife and himself in 1940 10:45 Research for second novel Seeking Sanctuary in The Zauberi Chronicles set in Germany’s Black Forest 14:30 Lawyerpreneur podcast ran from March 2020 to August 2022 16:50 The Write Approach podcast 18:45 Co-host Barbara Hinske 20:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 6: Dovetailing Creative Ideas and Smart Business Decisions with Kevin Tumlinson and reference to AI 20:45 AI changes 21:50 Chat GPT - rewrite of book blurb 22:40 Chat GPT-3 and Chat GPT-4 23:00 AI’s impact on jobs 24:00 AI for book cover ideas 24:25 Casual Business with Fairies 25:00 5th novel - Castaway meets a murder mystery 26:10 Publishing imprint Scarlet Oak Press 26:50 Do You Draw Pictures by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator) 27:35 Should We Shake On It by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator) 27:50 Mommy Needs a Minute by Claire E. Parsons & Naomi L. Hudson 29:00 Traditional publishing 31:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 33: From Spicy Romance to Chart-Topping Suspense with Alessandra Torre 31:25 Evolution of his business goals and intent for future work 32:50 Pursuit of multiple careers 34:25 Definition of justice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:37:36

Glance at Culture - Artist Farook Mohammed on Using Art As A Weapon

7/16/2023
Cover art After World War III, 2020, oil on board, 60 cm x 80 cm, by Farook Mohammed To learn more, please visit the website for the Afro Arabian Empire. Show Notes: 00:45 Pan-African mission of his artwork that combines the diversity of Africa 2:30 artwork to promote brotherhood and unity for Africa and the world 8:00 artwork tells stories that include a focus on identity and gender 10:00 childhood 12:25 social constructs 15:30 power of art 16:00 legacy he want to leave 18:00 under-population of the world 18:40 sustainable development 19:00 examples of his work 22:30 women 23:10 Man’s Endeavor 25:00 life outside the earth 26:30 use of AI 30:30 regulations on use of technology 32:15 transparency about use of AI to create art 33:00 Chat GPT 34:40 open market 36:20 used Midjourney for ideas 38:20 use of AI for bad reasons 39:15 drone technology 40:20 Elon Musk 40:50 After World War III 44:30 claims against S African media houses 47:30 Afro Arabian Empire 47:55 group exhibition planned for Mantis Boutique 48:30 Continental Pan-Africa Art Exhibition 49:45 view of justice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:54:52

NFT Update with Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

7/1/2023
To learn more: 18 April 2023 UK Parliament's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee regarding NFTs and the blockchain, Emily Gould's correspondence following the hearing on several issues touched on by the Committee; and NFT-related posts on the IAL Blog. Show Notes: 1:15 Beeple sold ”Everydays — The First 5000 Days” for $69 million 2:45 The Art Basel and UBS Global Art Market Report 3:00 current global art market valued at 67.8 billion 3:15 current art-related NFTs valued at $1.5 billion 3:50 collectibles-related NFTs valued at 11.8 billion 5:00 Parliamentary committee 5:50 NFT life cycle 6:40 NFT defined 10:50 Distributed Ledger Technology 12:20 Ethereum 14:20 Web 1-3 15:50 Metaverse 16:50 holograms 17:35 stakeholders 22:50 resale royalty right 24:00 NFTs taken off chain will break royalty under smart contract 27:15 Flipkick - NFT authentication service 27:25 Artclear - NFT authentication service 28:00 blockchain and provenance 30:40 fractional ownership 31:40 DAOs 32:40 fractional.art 32:55 Artsect Gallery 34:50 Copyright infringement 37:00 licensing 37:40 Injective Protocol purchased/burnt Banksy's Morons (White) 38:50 Daystorm posted NFT of Basquiat for sale along with IP rights 39:30 TM infringement - MetaBirkin NFTs 40:30 commercial risks 41:00 NFT platform liability and disclaimers 42:00 EU copyright directive 42:25 Soleymani v. Nifty Gateway 44:10 UK consumer rights act protection for Soleymani 44:30 illicit activity - theft of NFTs or unauthorized minting of NFTs 44:45 ex-OpenSea employee convicted of fraud/money laundering 45:15 Osbourne v Opensea & Tulip Trading Limited v Bitcoin 45:30 property status of NFTs 46:00 money laundering 46:25 financial risks 48:00 tax & estate planning 48:15 environmental concerns 50:00 Whitworth Gallery’s Ancient of Days 51:10 Vacant-To-Visual Program 52:40 Hirst’s Currency project 54:05 Alan Robertshaw 54:30 Currency project results slightly favored physical works over NFT 55:45 Hirst’s The Beautiful Paintings project 56:35 international body 57:20 Robershaw 58:40 conflict between smart contracts and natural term licensing 1:00:30 Robertshaw 1:01:10 transaction time 1:02:20 "trustless" system actually requires trust Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:01:06:00

Glance at Culture - Cultural Heritage Preservation Lawyers' Committee Fellow Jan Felman on the Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition

6/18/2023
To learn more, please visit the websites for the Max Stern Restitution Project, the HEAR Act, the Second Circuit's decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Zurückgeben Foundation and Almost Lost: the Heinemann Legacy (Before, During, and After the Holocaust). Show Notes: 1:30 Max Stern Art Restitution Project 2:30 Dr. Max Stern 5:00 Stern’s restitution efforts 8:00 Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition 9:50 Sales under duress 10:15 Auctions at cut-rate prices as an encouragement to the German people 13:15 Rug in the office of Angela Merkel 14:20 Russian exhibition of looted German objects 16:00 German Lost Art Foundation 17:00 Mosse Art Research Initiative - partly funded by German Lost Art Foundation 18:10 Thieves able to give good title under German law 20:40 Hilde Schramm - German politician for Alliance 90/The Greens, daughter of German architect/Nazi Party official Albert Speer 21:20 The Zurückgeben Foundation - organization started by Schramm 21:45 City of Lüneburg, Germany honored Jewish Heinemann family whose objects were looted 22:45 Heinemann family donated looted objects back to the Lüneburg Museum 23:20 Holocaust Expropriation Art Recovery (HEAR) Act 24:40 Second Circuit decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art 25:00 Doctrine of Laches 27:40 New focus of research on difficulty of being honest about genocide restitution 28:30 Theft of works from Ukrainian museums 33:20 Dehumanization as part of genocide 34:00 Denial of wrongs committed in genocide 35:00 Russia’s prior theft of Ukrainian cultural heritage 35:20 World’s tolerance / denial of genocide 36:20 Need for empathy 36:30 What is a bystander 36:50 Spain’s policy as an allegedly neutral party during WWII 38:00 Concept of justice 38:45 Andrew Smith - The Met’s reasoning 40:45 British Museum’s policy that Elgin Marbles are part of UK heritage 42:40 HEAR Act’s legislative intent ignored by the Court 43:45 Picasso’s The Actor was a gift to the Met 44:20 Vienna case of painting looted from Alma Mahler (Edvard Munch's "Summer Night at the Beach") restituted in 2001 by Belvedere Museum to Mahler's granddaughter, Marina 46:30 Alan Robertshaw - neutral area that serviced U boats 47:20 Alan Robertshaw - 1995 abolishment of UK’s market overt - English legal concept from mediaeval times that allowed subsequent ownership of stolen goods Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:50:05

Environmental Lawyer, King's Counsel and Artist Stephen Tromans Discussing his Golgotha Series on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, His Practices of Law and Art, and Art's Role In Addressing Injustice

6/4/2023
Cover image by Stephen Tromans: Climate Innocence, 1957, oil on board, 20x24 inches To view Stephen Tromans' work, please visit Mr. Tromans' website and Instagram as well as Ely Cathedral's feature of his Golgotha series, the Cambridge Drawing Society's discussion of his work and the Gallery Holt. Show Notes: 1:30 Troman’s choice to go into law, specifically environmental law 2:45 Lord Denning 3:30 Troman’s work as a painter 4:30 Diploma in oil painting 5:00 Influenced by Turner, Caravaggio, Goya 5:30 Scotland’s Joan Eardley 5:40 Royal Academician Fred Cuming 6:30 mixed media and collage 6:50 Hong Kong urbanscapes 9:20 Golgotha series 12:00 Ely Cathedral 15:00 feedback from Golgotha series 15:45 Ukrainian children and their toys as a focus in Golgotha series 18:00 future cathedral venues for Golgotha series 18:45 current work 20:20 environmentally-related art 22:00 Climate Innocence, 1957 - acceptance of pollution 23:00 Troman’s process 24:00 art’s function to speak to social issues 26:00 compliments between legal and creative work 28:50 legacy 31:30 definition of justice 34:15 how Troman’s artwork speaks to justice 35:15 the power of Picasso’s Guernica Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:37:08

Glance at Culture - Dr. Ashfaq Ishaq on the International Child Art Foundation, the World Children's Festival, the Child Art Magazine and CreativeEmpaths

5/21/2023
To learn more, please visit the sites for International Child Art Foundation, World Children's Festival and the International Child Arts Olympiad (with coming plans for the Paris 2024 Olympics ). Show Notes: 2:30 children’s creativity 3:30 empathy needed due to moral neutrality of creativity 4:30 adverse childhood experiences 5:20 transgenerational transmission of trauma and hatred 6:00 the International Child Art Foundation’s Arts Olympiad and World’s Children Festival 8:40 creative-empaths 9:30 Arts Olympiad winners at National Mall in Washington, DC for World’s Children Festival 11:50 overview of Ishaq’s background and work at World Bank 13:10 why adult’s imagination dries up 13:30 the fourth grade slump 15:40 2013 book “The Creativity Revolution: Reinvent Your Creative Self to Shape the Future and Prosper” 17:30 1 of 5 types of creators: Native 17:50 2 of 5 types of creators: Nomad 18:20 3 of 5 types of creators: Savant 18:55 4 of 5 types of creators: Empathic 19:15 5 of 5 types of creators: Spiritual 20:20 Book mixes history, economics and neuroscience 22:30 collaborated with National Institute of Health on its ABCD Study 24:00 MRI studies show 7-12 year olds are age group most prone to empathy 26:20 Healings Art Program began after Asian tsunami 29:10 Peace Through Art Program began after 9/11 attacks 31:10 ICAF’s collaboration on treasure hunt book “Xavier Marx and the Missing Masterpieces” 32:10 UN General Assembly’s efforts to revive human security campaign 35:40 ICAF has had approximately 5 million children participated in Arts Olympiad to date 38:30 American Academy of Arts and Sciences’s 2021 report on the attributes, values and skills that come from arts education, including social and emotional development, school engagement and civic and social participation 39:15 children from certain countries can’t participate, e.g., North Korea 40:40 participants from African countries 41:10 blind musical group from Zimbabwe 41:30 indigenous from New Zealand playing the a traditional dance of that country's Māori people, the haka 42:40 ICAF;s current work and structured lesson plans 43:45 fall semester 2023 for next program 44:30 summer 2024 for next festival 46:30 scholarships 47:00 participants from Romania 48:30 social function of art 50:10 9/11 began his thought about moral neutrality of creativity 53:00 upcoming festival project for partipants to create children’s earth flag for NASA’s first human mission to Mars 54:15 UN’s human securities artworks 56:30 new mothers as supporters 57:00 ChildArt Magazine 58:00 magazine’s theme on the power of words, mindfulness, Metaverse, animal Art 59:20 Legacy 1:00:00 pre-WWII, Olympics gave awards for the arts 1:00:50 Paris 2024 Olympics and LA 2028 Olympics 1:01:45 definition of justice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:01:06:14

Careers in Art & Law - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

5/7/2023
Please visit the following links to learn more: Queen Mary’s LLM in Art, Business and Law and the Institute of Art and Law. Show Notes: 1:00 Stephanie Drawdy - introduction 1:20 Emily Gould - overview of the Institute of Art and Law (IAL) 5:20 Gould’s background 7:35 careers in art law practice 9:35 Janan Foster - background and experience with Art, Business and Law LLM 11:35 Chiara Gallo - background and experience with Art, Business and Law LLM 15:40 Jane (Chang Yue) Liu - experience with Siena program and internship with IAL 18:40 Chelsea Conyers - experience with Siena program and internship with IAL 20:35 Gina McKlveen - experience as an artist, law student and now lawyer 27:40 Gould on IAL blog 28:40 Alan Robertshaw 29:10 McKlveen’s beginning interest in art and law 30:15 Jerry Alonzo’s experience in the law and arts 34:10 Charles Sabba’s experience in the military, law enforcement and the arts 43:05 Nnebundo Obi 44:45 Charles Sabba 45:40 Emily Gould re: interdisciplinary nature of art law cases 46:35 Alan Robertshaw’s law practice Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:52:20

*Bonus* "Exposed" (LP) from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid

4/18/2023
"Exposed" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022. The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law: Episode 38: Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & Social Justice Episode 27: Nazi Plundered Art: Nathan Diament On the Legacy of Artist J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954) Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:04:11

Glance at Culture - Ukraine War Museum's Milena Chorna Discusses the "Ukraine. Crucifix" Project, Artifacts of War and Russian Imperialism

4/16/2023
To learn more, please visit the website for Ukraine's War Museum. Cover photo by Viktor Byshev of the Church of the Nativity of the Holy Virgin in Peremoha that Russians attacked and damaged. Left in the photo is Dr. Yurii Savchuk and right is the clergyman from the Church, Oleksandr Yarmolchyk. Show Notes: 1:30 National Museum of the History of Ukraine in the Second World War 2:00 War Museum’s exhibition on 24 February 2022 2:20 “Forever Free Ukraine” curated by Director General Dr. Yurii Savchuk 4:00 War Museum’s removal of exhibitions on 24 February 2022 5:20 “Forever Free Ukraine” exhibition now in Lithuania 6:00 Ukrainian museum workers are mostly women 6:25 Swedish photographer of Polish descent Andrzej Markiewicz volunteered to document areas that were de-occupied 7:00 33 field trips 8:00 Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania 9:10 New York exhibition “Ukraine. Crucifix. Tribunal” 9:15 Latvia exhibition “Ukraine. Crucifix. 360” 9:35 message from exhibition “there always should come light” 10:00 Dr. Yurii Savchuk 11:00 Designer/Artist Anton Logov 11:45 symbols from the Soviet Union 12:20 military helmets - star and “Lenin” 12:50 insurgent army 1960s 13:15 boots symbol 13:50 star symbol 20:15 motivators for Russians to annihilate Ukrainian cultural heritage 20:20 18th Century Ukrainian philosopher Hryhorii (Gregory) Skovoroda Museum 21:15 Russians targeting gold 21:30 Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, an 11th-century Orthodox cave monastery complex 22:15 Ukrainian established circa 11th C 23:15 Maria Prymachenko-The Ivankiv Historical and Local History Museum 24:25 Ukraine Museum Crisis Center 24:25 Ukraine Museum Crisis Center while working for the State Agency of Arts and Artistic Education focusing on developing artistic education 25:00 Luhansk Museum of Local Lore Director Olesya Milovanova 31:15: collaboration 32:15 dealings with Russian museums 35:50 “Children…” memorial 36:50 “Tree of Life” 37:20 Ukrainian Museum of Canada 38:00 symbol of doors 38:45 “United for Justice” exhibition 39:20 New York exhibition 39:45 door in exhibition is from basement in Yahidne 42:00 Crucifixion exhibition includes basement bomb shelter 45:00 “United for Justice” exhibition 45:30 justice 47:40 working trip to Holland in March 2023 49:15 Russian civilians are the invaders 49:30 Hermitage director who justifies what’s going on should at least be punished by opinions of his colleagues 49:45 Russia in ICOM and UN 50:20 “If Russian Empire collapses - maybe that would be some kind of justice” 51:00 artefact from Kherson after it was de-occupied on November 11 51:30 flag 52:50 feedback of civilians about exhibition 54:45 feedback of soldiers about exhibition 55:40 commemoration days twice per month 56:50 mission 57:45 message to those outside Ukraine Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:01:00:47

Dr. Randall Horton on the Collaborative Radical Reversal Project, Mass Incarceration, Reformation and Justice

4/2/2023
Cover Image by Diane Allford To learn more, please visit the sites for Randall Horton and Radical Reversal. Show Notes: 00:00 Dr. Randall Horton’s work in poetry 02:00 Dr. Horton’s work as poet/writer, professor of English at University of New Haven, system-impacted 03:10 Chicago State’s MFA program 03:20 Definition of Place by Horton 03:30 PhD in Poetry and Poetics from SUNY Albany 04:20 poetry avant-garde band Heros of Gang Leaders 05:00 Creative Capital proposal to put creative space in the carceral state 07:00 Suffolk County House of Corrections in Boston, Massachusetts 07:30 Radical Reversal 08:30 pilot program in Burmingham, AL - Jefferson County Youth Detention Center 8:55 Minnesota Prison Writers Workshop with Jennifer Bowen-Hicks 9:00 Boston’s Writers Without Margins with Cheryl Buchanan 10:15 Jefferson County Youth Detention Center Director Monique Greer 17:20 workshops in Jefferson County Youth Detention Center 18:50 Little K - what if you don’t know no beautiful 21:00 Little E 22:10 Ain’t No Love In the Streets 26:20 art as a guide 28:00 partnering with Greer to continue pilot program 31:30 Radical Reversal’s space to stay in place going forward 32:30 Minnesota Department of Correction’s unit to have four recording booths 34:00 Radical Reading Series 34:30 Artist Masego 36:50 follow up work with individuals in the facility 37:00 poem entitled Imagine 41:00 collaboration with facility staff 42:00 The Road Less Traveled 46:30 poem entitled To Live and Die in Burmingham, Alabama published in London 49:00 inspired by Nietzsche’s 1887 On the Genealogy of Morality 49:40 going after humanity and a moral compass 51:00 legacy created with his work and Radical Reversal Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:57:03

Glance at Culture - Artists' Talk about Upcoming NYC Group Show of Artists Who Work In or Study the Law

3/19/2023
To learn more and view their work, please visit the sites for Stefania Salles Bruins, Nnebundo Obi and Geoffrey Stein. 0:00 Artist and attorney Geoff Stein describing his collage work 2:00 Artist and attorney Stefania Salles Bruins describes genesis of theme for “Portraits As Still Lives” group show 3:45 Stephanie Drawdy on her work for the group show 5:00 Stein on his perspective on the head as a subject 6:00 Stein on his work in collage 9:30 Salles Bruins on symbolism in her work 11:40 Stein on letting work speak for itself 12:25 Stein on how his work during Iraq war was seen as painting of hostage 13:40 Salles Bruins’ experience with instructors at New York Academy of Art 14:30 Salomé with Head of John the Baptist inspiration for Salles Bruins 16:00 Salles Bruins’ self-portrait mimics Girl With Pearl Earring 18:00 projecting and gridding 19:30 Artist and Negel Research Associate Nnebundo Obi on her portrait of her mother 20:30 “Seeing Through My Third Eye” by Obi 22:30 Portrait of Obi’s father 26:00 Peter Drake’s use of slow dry medium to work in acrylic 27:25 “Take the Stinger Out Please” self-portrait copper etching by Obi 29:40 companion copper etching by Obi 30:00 Stein on his collage portrait of Liz Cheney 33:10 Stein’s website features stop action video of the Cheney portrait in process 33:40 portrait of VP Harris 34:00 portrait of Pres Biden 35:00 use of photographs 39:00 details in the Cheney portrait 39:30 Milton Glaser’s work 40:00 Stein’s preference for work that flips between plasticity and graphic flatness 40:30 Obi’s experience with collage 41:50 Stein’s thought of collage as pieces of paint 42:30 sanding of collage 43:30 use of water on Xerox paper 44:00 portrait of Obama 45:00 photograph of newspaper headline of “Voters reject Cheney” from local paper used in Photoshop for use in Cheney portrait Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:46:50

Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr. on Italian Cultural Patrimony, Art Theft, Isabella Stewart Gardner's Collection Practices, the Gardner Heist, the Getty's Failure to Return the Lysippos di Fano and more

3/5/2023
Cover art - The Scream, fingerprint ink on police print card done in thumb print, 2" x 1-1/4", 2004 copyright Charles Vincent Sabba The following are links for Charles Sabba's artwork, blog and articles with La Voce di New York. Show Notes 0:00 Sabba’s great-grandfather 3:45 retired police captain 4:15 duCret School of Art in Plainfield, NJ 4:50 1986 - Austrialian Cultural Terrorists stole Weeping Woman by Picasso 6:20 NYPD Art Theft Investigator 3:40 US Navy 7:30 Naples, Italy 8:35 federal corrections’ witness protection unit 11:20 School of Visual Arts 11:40 Betty Thompkins 11:44 Andrew Gensel 11:45 Anton van Dalen and his show at the PPOW Gallery 12:25 Fred DePalma 13:00 influence of his police work on his art 14:30 documentary Defending the Peninsula 18:00 the era of power and money over cultural patrimony 18:40 Napoleon’s looting of Italy 20:30 Monuments Men 21:55 1800s Papal Edict governing exportation of works from Italy 22:30 1947 article 9 of Italy’s Constitution 23:50 collection of Gardner Museum 24:35 Vermeer’s The Concert purchased by Gardner 26:00 Getty Trust - fight over Euphronios Krater with the Met 27:45 Manhattan DA’s office April 2022 seizure 28:30 Lysippos di Fano Bronze 34:30 agreement to table discussion about return of Lysippos pending Italian court ruling 36:45 assertion that the Lysippos is Greek not Italian 39:30 status of request for return of Lysippos 39:50 History Channel television series Histories Greatest Heists with Pierce Brosnan 41:00 paint chips sent to Boston Herald related to Gardner Heist 44:00 1997 - William Youngworth negotiated with Gardner Museum for return of stolen works via prosecutors 45:45 Chicago-based Expert Walter McCrone determined paint chips were from Rembrandt. 48:35 1998 - Vermeer expert 49:10 2003 - Dr. Hubert von Sonnenburg, Chairman of Paintings Conservation at The Met, found chips were consistent with the Vermeer 50:00 Dr. Jennifer Mass’ opinion about the Sonnenberg’s opinion on the paint chips 52:30 Sabba’s painting practice reflects his interest in art crime - fingerprint paintings 53:50 Sabba’s portraits of individuals involved in art crime 55:25 Art critic Jerry Saltz 56:30 Y Gallery 58:15 artists that speak to social issues, e.g., prison reform 1:01:25 Sophie Calle: Last Seen 1:02:05 climate activists’ attacks on soft targets 1:06:40 Justice defined 1:09:20 Legacy Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:01:12:46

*BONUS* "Restoration" from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid

2/20/2023
"Restoration" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023. Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022. The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law: Episode 34: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels Episode 48: Columbia Law School's Inaugural Artist-In-Residence Bayeté Ross Smith Episode 102: Retired Police Captain and Artist Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr. Episode upcoming: Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller from the #lastseen project Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2023]

Duration:00:04:23