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Ryan Durbin (@rdceramics) & Becca Otis (@5linespottery) share their experiences as potters, makers, small business owners, and creatives. Becca is a full time studio potter, while Ryan is a full time website developer and part time potter. We'd love to share our ups and downs along the way as we build our skills as makers and small business owners in an honest, informal manner. We hope to bring you helpful tips we've learned over the years, learn from each other, and share expertise from a number of guests with you also. Please join us for some Wheel Talk!

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United States

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Ryan Durbin (@rdceramics) & Becca Otis (@5linespottery) share their experiences as potters, makers, small business owners, and creatives. Becca is a full time studio potter, while Ryan is a full time website developer and part time potter. We'd love to share our ups and downs along the way as we build our skills as makers and small business owners in an honest, informal manner. We hope to bring you helpful tips we've learned over the years, learn from each other, and share expertise from a number of guests with you also. Please join us for some Wheel Talk!

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English

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Episodes
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#311 - Creativity vs. Exhaustion: Managing Burnout as Artists

7/12/2025
Ryan & Becca discuss the realities of balancing work and life as artists, sharing thoughts on preventing burnout and navigating career transitions. They also highlight the importance of self-care, building support systems, and offer strategies for coping with art show rejections. Maker of the Moment @tara.underwood@tanyaeverardListener Questions On this episode: @jennywoodartsSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. The Ceramic Shop - Trusted by potters everywhere for fast shipping, great prices, and expert support. Explore more at theceramicshop.com and use "Wheeltalk10" for $10 off your order of $75 or more. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:35:23

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#310 - Finding What Works (for Us) on Social Media

7/5/2025
As Wheel Talk approaches its 6-year anniversary, Ryan and Becca reflect on the podcast’s growth and the incredible community that’s formed around it. Ryan shares highlights from his recent anniversary trip to Hawaii, and the conversation shifts to social media—what's working, what's not, and how they're each approaching content creation and engagement. They break down their current posting strategies, including the continued success of Ryan’s Mug Monday series. Plus, they welcome a brand-new sponsor to the podcast! Resources The Community: https://www.makersplaybook.com/community EtSEO: https://sellerevents.etsy.com/events/details/etsy-shop-optimization-presents-etseo-live-listing-critique-panel-optimize-your-shop-for-spring/ Maker of the Moment @jeanette_leroux_ceramics@beanandbaileyceramicsListener Questions On this episode: @jelo.designs@shawn_reid_potterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com The Ceramic Shop - Trusted by potters everywhere for fast shipping, great prices, and expert support. Explore more at theceramicshop.com and use "WheelTalk10" for $10 off your order of $75 or more. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:34:48

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#309 - Wages, Worth, and Working for Yourself

6/28/2025
Ryan & Becca explore the realities of small business finances—from paying livable wages and employee compensation to navigating the shift from salaried work to self-employment. This episode follows a slightly different format, and we hope you enjoy the conversation. Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:42:16

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#308 - Converting Followers Into Buyers

6/21/2025
Ryan and Becca kick off with a recap of Ryan’s recent Nashville workshop. The episode then centers on a listener question about converting social media engagement into actual sales—especially when platform limitations make linking to your shop tricky. They share practical tips for navigating those challenges, Becca’s van upgrades, and marketing strategies. Maker of the Moment @pottedbyjess@caterboyListener Questions On this episode: @jelo.designsSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:33:16

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#307 - Building a Soda Kiln: Materials, Costs, and Lessons Learned

6/14/2025
In this episode, Ryan shares his recent visit to Isaac Shue's gallery opening in Kansas and offers practical advice on building and maintaining a soda kiln—including materials, costs, and construction tips. He also discusses upcoming pottery workshops, sourcing studio equipment, and the value of sharing knowledge within the ceramics community. Resources Sign up for Ryan's soda workshop Maker of the Moment @maddiemadepottery@hawthorn_ceramicsListener Questions On this episode: @YKSceramics@coolguy_charlieSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:15:39

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#306 - New Job, New Chapter: Navigating Change with Grace

6/7/2025
In this episode, Becca opens up about her recent transition into a new job and the mental health challenges that came with it. She shares her experience stepping away from pottery and social media, reflecting on how that break impacted her creativity, identity, and personal relationships. Ryan joins the conversation with thoughtful questions about Becca’s evolving work life, her approach to personal growth, and the strategies she’s using to support her mental and physical well-being. We're grateful to Becca for sharing with such honesty and vulnerability. Maker of the Moment @mikenightmare@jared.zehmer.potterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:05:22

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#305 - Art & Fear with Taylor Swilley

5/31/2025
Ryan and Becca return for the fifth chapter of the podcast book club, diving into Art & Fear: Observations on the Perils (and Rewards) of Artmaking by David Bayles and Ted Orland. Joined once again by Taylor Swilley, they unpack key takeaways and reflect on how the book’s themes resonate with their own creative practices and businesses. Our next book club selection is Boy in a China Shop: Life, Clay and Everything by Keith Brymer Jones with plans to release the episode in July or August. See all the books we've covered on Becca's Amazon list at https://amzn.to/3X5yZOX Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Speedball Ceramics - Try the new mid-fire glazes, artist-collaboration plastic bats, and browse their wide selection of products at speedballart.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:23:14

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#304 - How Much Is Too Much to Pay for a Booth?

5/24/2025
In this episode, Ryan and Becca dive into the nitty-gritty of participating in art shows—from understanding different fee structures to handling logistics and boosting your profits. They break down common models, including flat booth fees, low table fees with commissions, and hybrid setups. Plus, stick around for a listener question about surviving rainy art shows and drying out your work and display afterwards. Maker of the Moment @cityinbloomceramics@depauwpotteryListeners Questions On this episode: @lifer_studiosSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Speedball Ceramics - Try the new mid-fire glazes, artist-collaboration plastic bats, and browse their wide selection of products at speedballart.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:49:38

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#303 - Where the Time Goes—And What You’re Earning with Heidi Fahrenbacher

5/17/2025
Ryan & Becca welcome back Heidi Fahrenbacher of Bella Joy Pottery to catch up on her new studio build and share advice on a few business topics. They dive into Ryan’s current work hours and revenue from pottery as a side hustle, and how tracking these metrics can offer valuable insights for your own business. The conversation also covers Etsy sales strategies and tips for providing great customer service. Lastly, Becca proposes an interesting challenge for the group. Maker of the Moment @_autumnmckay@shellbellartstudio@megslevesseurceramics-----Find more about Heidi's business below----- Instagram - @bellajoypottery Website - bellajoypottery.com Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Speedball Ceramics - Try the new mid-fire glazes, artist-collaboration plastic bats, and browse their wide selection of products at speedballart.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:32:26

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#302 - What to Make for Spring Shows

5/10/2025
Ryan and Becca catch up on recent life updates and share what’s on the horizon for Ryan’s upcoming shows. They also dive into ideas for spring show inventory, discussing functional and decorative forms that are popular this time of year, plus a few seasonal items to keep in mind for later in the year. Maker of the Moment @the.introverted.potter@asketchypotteryshopSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Speedball Ceramics - Try the new mid-fire glazes, artist-collaboration plastic bats, and browse their wide selection of products at speedballart.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:14:16

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#301 - The Jigger and Jolly Journey with Jody Lewis of Good Wheel Ceramics

5/3/2025
Ryan and Becca are joined by Jody Lewis of Good Wheel Ceramics, a Canadian potter whose journey from hobbyist to full-time artist is as thoughtful as his work. Jody shares how he incorporates jiggering and jollying techniques into his process and reflects on what it's been like balancing his growing pottery business alongside his partner’s demanding career as an ER doctor. The conversation also explores his future plans for expanding the studio with the help of an assistant. A big thanks to Jody for joining us and sharing his story! Maker of the Moment @sandyharquail@morningsun_s@risa.hricovsky-----Find more about Jody's business below----- Instagram - @goodwheelceramics Website - https://www.goodwheelceramics.com/ Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Speedball Ceramics - Try the new mid-fire glazes, artist-collaboration plastic bats, and browse their wide selection of products at speedballart.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:55:39

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#300 - The Art of Teaching Workshops with Tzipporah Schvarcz from Sipor Ceramics

4/26/2025
Ryan and Becca welcome back Tzipporah Schvarcz of Sipor Ceramics for her third appearance to dive into the ins and outs of hosting and teaching pottery workshops, both in-person and online. They explore marketing strategies, pricing, the rise of virtual summits, and how workshop formats have evolved. Plus, they reflect on recent NCECA experiences and teaching approaches. Maker of the Moment @feldistudios@jsteinpottery@mostlykosher-----Find more about Tzipporah's business below----- Instagram - @sipor.ceramics Website - https://www.siporceramics.com/ Listeners Questions On this episode: @punchypottery@anniemargieceramicsSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:24:26

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#299 - Making the Most of NCECA—Without Breaking the Bank

4/19/2025
Ryan and Becca share highlights from their recent trip to Salt Lake City for the annual NCECA pottery conference. They dive into the highs and lows of the experience, explore practical ways to navigate the costs of attending, and reflect on what they’d do differently next time. Whether you’re a seasoned conference-goer or planning your first NCECA, this episode offers insight, tips, and a candid look behind the scenes. Maker of the Moment @sj_ceramics@carolharris9111Sponsors L&L Kilns - Easiest Kilns to Install, Use, and Maintain. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:28:57

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#298 - Show season strategy with Isaac Shue

4/12/2025
Ryan is back with Isaac Shue to share practical tips for pricing pottery, creating effective displays, and making the most of art fairs and festivals. They also talk through website strategy, studio expansion, and the challenges of balancing a creative business with life’s demands—all while answering listener questions along the way. Maker of the Moment @ateliergrenier@kate.marotz-----Find more about Isaac's business below----- Instagram - @isaacshueisart & @gallery.mostaza Listeners Questions On this episode: @bowledoverceramics@GreenCabinPotterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:43:35

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#297 - Between Two Podcasts with Mike Griffin of Between Two Ewers

4/5/2025
Ryan & Becca are joined by Mike from Mike Griffin Ceramics and the Between Two Ewers podcast to chat about the difference between capital ‘P’ and lowercase ‘p’ potters, Ryan’s day job, bisque mug butts, mid-range soda workshops, and more. Catch the video version on YouTube via Between Two Ewers. -----Find more about Mike's business and podcast below----- Instagram - @mike_griffin_ceramics & @betweentwoewers YouTube - Between Two Ewers Website - Mike Griffin Ceramics Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:01:04

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#296 - Beyond Social Media: Why Your Mailing List Matters with Heidi Fahrenbacher from Bella Joy Pottery

3/29/2025
Ryan sits down with Heidi Fahrenbacher to dive into the world of email marketing and how potters can make the most of their mailing lists. They also chat about time management strategies and the ongoing challenge of balancing productivity with creativity. Plus, they touch on the overwhelm that comes with managing all the moving pieces of a pottery business. Maker of the Moment @cartersclay@uglyduckpottery-----Find more about Heidi's business below----- Instagram - @bellajoypottery Listeners Questions On this episode: @tuliptreetalesSponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:23:33

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#295 - Craft Show Chaos: Managing the Busy Season

3/22/2025
Ryan and Becca dive into the ups and downs of running their pottery businesses, sharing experiences from craft shows, strategies for managing busy seasons, and the nitty-gritty of pottery production. They swap tips on choosing the right art markets, keeping inventory in check, and making sure the hustle stays fun (and profitable). Plus, they chat about kiln maintenance, booth setups, and what makes different pottery events worth the effort. Maker of the Moment @estes.ceramics@donnacravenpotteryListeners Questions On this episode: @shawn_reid_potterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:50:33

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#294 - Mastering ceramic decals with Isaac Shue

3/15/2025
Ryan and Isaac Shue discuss preparations for Gallery Mostasa's spring show, covering pottery production, glaze techniques, and marketing. They dive into ceramic decals for customization, along with pricing strategies, custom order challenges, and future plans for wholesale mug production. Maker of the Moment @austinriddlepottery@braypottery-----Find more about Isaac's business below----- Instagram - @isaacshueisart & @gallery.mostaza Listeners Questions On this episode: @ceramics_bymargaret@shawn_reid_potterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:18:12

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#293 - Side hustle or full-time? Weighing the pros and cons

3/8/2025
Ryan and Becca discussed the pros and cons of running a side business versus full-time self-employment, emphasizing the importance of routines and boundaries. They also touched on financial planning, upcoming events, and the differences between working solo and in a team environment. Maker of the Moment @emgabrielart@rlbrown1995Listeners Questions On this episode: @thistlemoorpotterySponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Smith Sharpe Refractory - Find out which Advancer Kiln Shelves are right for you at kilnshelf.com. Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:02:09:44

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#292 - Q&A Part X

3/1/2025
Ryan & Becca are back with another Q&A episode! They answer a range of questions from wedging tables to storing your inventory efficiently to developing new product lines. Thanks to everyone who continues to send us questions on Instagram and by email! Maker of the Moment @saratolbertceramics@preston.tolbert@ericbeaverspotteryResources The Complete Guide to Low-Fire Glazes for Potters and Sculptors by Ben Carter Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcast Follow us on Instagram: @wheeltalkpodcast @rdceramics @5linespottery Visit our website: www.wheeltalkpotcast.com Wheel Talk YouTube Channel

Duration:01:30:21