EDGE of the Web - The Best SEO Podcast for Today's Digital Marketer

Is Google Search thriving or dying? How is AI eating your PPC lunch, and why won’t Google make up its mind? This week, we cover trending topics including Google’s expanded AI mode for multi-lingual search, Reddit’s sneaky push for publisher power with brand new Pro Tools, and the surprising court ruling that lets Google keep Chrome… while also sharing some of its special sauce (most likely a can of Ragu). You’ll hear how shifting digital consumer behavior (think: the Four S’s—searching, scrolling, streaming, shopping) is making marketers rethink their omnichannel strategies, and why social media optimization keeps creeping into every SEO conversation. Plus, Cindy Krum shares fresh holiday search trends and reveals why TikTok Shop might outpace traditional ecommerce. We even poke fun at Google’s “reality”—the web’s apparently booming and crumbling at the exact same time, depending on who’s asking. News from the EDGE: SEO News Segment: WAIKAY Thanks to our sponsors! https://edgeofthewebradio.com/sitehttps://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X:@ErinSparksX:@SuzzicksX:@TheMann00X:@EDGEWebRadio

Google’s AI is poised to wipe out half of news publishers’ traffic, but Barry Adams isn’t here to panic—he’s here to bring the hard truths (with a side of hope). On this week’s EDGE of the Web, we dive deep into how Google’s relentless AI advancements, from overviews to the new AI mode, threaten the very foundation of news publishing. Join host Erin Sparks and News SEO specialist Barry Adams as they break down the seismic shifts hitting news publishers: AI overviews stealing clicks, Top Stories boxes protecting (for now), and why AI mode is a technological hand grenade waiting to go off. Barry shares what’s working, what’s not, and why keeping up with Google’s user experience data from the Chrome browser is harder than ever. We cover how publishers can future-proof themselves—think personalization, paywalls, and bundling—before Google fully flips the AI switch. Side quest: Ever wondered how to train your audience to pay for news in a world where everything’s free (thanks, Google)? Barry makes a compelling case for why quality, unique journalism is more vital than ever—even if it means surviving on half your pie. Wrap up by buckling in for the impending Google traffic apocalypse, arming yourself with Barry’s don’t-panic (but have your towel) wisdom, and getting the inside scoop on what grows in the new AI-powered world of news. Key Segments: [00:04:44] Current Status on News SEO: Minimal Impact [00:06:46] "AI Mode Simplifies Web Browsing" [00:15:00] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: PreWriter.ai [00:17:12] AI Mode Impact on Google Traffic [00:22:31] Google Outlasts ChatGPT: Future Forecast [00:30:18] Stand Out or Fade Away [00:33:25] News Industry Consolidation Trends [00:34:33] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY) [00:37:10] Thriving Small Publishers Need Uniqueness [00:39:58] Balancing Integrity and Audience Appeal Thanks to Our Sponsors! PreWriter.ai: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/prewriter Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Our Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barryadams/ Blue Sky: https://bsky.app/profile/polemicdigital.com

Meta’s got its eyes (and algorithms) locked on unoriginal content, and that’s just the tip of the AI-powered iceberg. This week, EDGE of the Web is knee-deep in septic tank puns and even deeper into breaking news shaking up AI, SEO, and the future of web browsing. Hosts Erin Sparks and guest Crystal Carter wade through Meta’s latest moves to curb content farms and content theft, Google’s new AI-generated shopping and search experiments, and the shocking rise of AI-powered browser contenders. Plus, the crew gets real about how AI Overviews are cannibalizing clicks, what “agentic AI” means for your future shopping sprees (and your calendar), and why being authentic is still your best bet in the SEO cesspool. In a particularly cheeky side note, Erin and Crystal dissect the subtle strategies hidden in Google’s virtual try-on images—are those AI-generated smiles a sly tactic for boosting conversions? Spoiler: Someone’s always a little happier in new clothes. Don’t panic (and always carry a towel): EDGE of the Web keeps you prepared and laughing through the chaos of AI, changing SERP landscapes, and the not-so-glamorous world of digital marketing. Smash that play button for smart analysis, sharp takes, and the kind of SEO news you actually want to share—even if you promise to quit the septic tank jokes… eventually. News from the EDGE: [00:00:21] Try PreWriter.AI [00:00:44] BrightonSEO 15% Off Tickets [00:05:16] Meta Follows YouTube In Crackdown On Unoriginal Content AI / SEO News Segment: [00:10:47] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: PreWriter.AI [00:11:57] OpenAI And Perplexity Set To Battle Google For Browser Dominance [00:22:06] Google launches AI shopping tools with virtual try-ons and smarter price alerts [00:29:00] Google Web Guide for AI-organized search results [00:34:34] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAI [00:36:01] Google’s AI Overviews are hurting clicks: Pew study [00:44:17] Google Says AI Won’t Replace The Need For SEO Thanks to our sponsors! PreWriter.AI: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/prewriter Inlinks WAIKAY https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @CrystalontheWeb X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

AI Mode goes global, Google’s giving users the easy button, and Reddit and Wikipedia are snagging prime AI real estate. This week, the EDGE dives into the explosion of AI Mode, the changing landscape of web traffic, and the wild world of social media innovation—with plenty of insights from Duncan Alney of Firebelly and the EDGE team. Get the latest on Google’s brand-new AI Mode launching in 180 countries (but only in English for now), and why letting AI do the reasoning for you might make us all a little lazier. Plus, referral traffic from ChatGPT is plummeting while Reddit and Wikipedia become citation royalty—what’s that mean for content creators? Throw in TikTok’s geopolitical drama, Threads’ big user milestone, Instagram’s not-so-secret engagement hack, and the verdict on whether posting more really boosts your Insta clout. Is the age of critical thinking officially in peril? Erin and Duncan muse on whether AI is boosting collective intelligence—or just making us all a little dumber—while Jacob chimes in with some “errant humor” and privacy warnings about sharing too much with large language models. From new social platforms (hello, Bluesky!) to Meta’s voice-dubbing shenanigans and Instagram’s latest creator tools, EDGE of the Web brings you an effervescent, strategic look at how digital marketing and social media keep rewriting the rules. Don’t forget to check the show notes and catch our next facetious, fast-paced news roundup—because you don’t want to be a piece of cyber driftwood. News from the EDGE: [00:00:24] EDGE is back at BrightonSEO US in San Diego - 15% off tickets for EDGE listeners! [00:04:20] Google Expands AI Mode to 180 Countries With Personalized Features [00:07:50] ChatGPT Referral Traffic Nosedives 52% in Just One Month [00:11:30] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: EDGE Media Studios [00:14:27] China Rejects Selling TikTok Algorithm Despite U.S. Demands Social News Segment: [00:19:22] Instagram Chief Dispels Engagement Myth, Says Using Edits Boosts Reach [00:23:26] One to watch: What is Bluesky? [00:30:20] New Study Suggests That Posting More Often Is Key to IG Growth [00:34:12] Threads Reaches 400M Users, Closing in on X’s Usage [00:38:23] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY [00:39:46] Instagram Launches Re-Posts, Friend Map and More [00:43:52] Facebook upgrades Professional Dashboard with new insights [00:46:43] Meta rolls out AI-powered translations to creators globally, starting with English and Spanish Thanks to our sponsors! Brighton SEO US 15% off on tickets: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/brightonseo Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks WAIKAY https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @firebelly X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Bruce Clay is back on the EDGE and he’s bringing a fresh arsenal of SEO wisdom—plus his latest tool, Prewriter.AI! Bruce unpacks the ever-evolving landscape of search, where being a subject matter expert isn’t just nice to have, it’s non-negotiable in the age of large language models. Get ready for a hands-on journey through the world of structured data, website architecture, and the key realm of silos and clusters (yes, we’re geeking out on knowledge graphs). Bruce dishes out why schema isn’t just a box-ticking exercise—and why too much schema can lead Google down the wrong rabbit hole. There’s a hearty debate on how SEOs, content teams, and AI must now dance together to outwit homogenized AI content and truly stand out in the SERPs. Side note: If you’re thinking the future is all about stuffing your site with as much schema as humanly (err, robotically?) possible, Bruce is here to beg you—please don’t overdo it. Ambiguity is the enemy, but “over-schematizing” is hardly the answer! To wrap things up, Bruce gives us the lowdown on his new-and-improved Prewriter AI toolset and why Conversion Rate Optimization is now the SEO sidekick we all need. Stay tuned, stay sharp, and remember: in the battle of humans versus bots, a little wit (and a lot of structured data) goes a long way! Key Segments [00:03:14] "SEO, AI, and Structured Data" [00:08:26] "Structured Data's Role in SEO" [00:14:52] "Optimize Schemas for Search Clarity" [00:17:57] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:21:09] What do you think the future actually holds for SEO professionals? [00:24:32] AI-Driven SEO Strategy Analysis [00:28:45] "Experience-Driven SEO Strategy" [00:31:02] "Leveraging Client Expertise Effectively" [00:35:37] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY) [00:37:55] AI SEO Localization Techniques Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Our Guest Twitter / X: @BruceClay LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-clay/ Resources Bruce Clay’s Prewriter: https://www.prewriter.ai/

A whopping 43% of consumers allegedly use AI tools daily – or do they? This week, Local SEO expert Greg Gifford and the EDGE team dissect the latest digital marketing headlines, exposing the flaws behind flashy AI stats, CTR doom-and-gloom, and Google's evolving local business verifications, all while dodging shady review extortionists (and some Coldplay memes). The crew calls out shaky survey methodologies and sample sets that would make any statistician cringe. Discover why that 32% drop in Google’s top CTR may be missing more context than your cousin’s Facebook rants, and why local businesses should give side-eye to Google’s new AI-calling feature that threatens to turn bespoke service into a commodity. And if you’ve been targeted by one-star review scams, Greg’s got some no-nonsense advice for fighting back – armed with screenshots, not dessert bribes. Spoiler alert: If your restaurant is handing out free tiramisu for reviews, you might be breaking federal law (and Greg will rant accordingly). Plus, why the latest batch of buzzword acronyms just muddies the digital waters for businesses already struggling to keep up. Listen in and join in the fun in Local News on the EDGE! News from the EDGE: [00:06:20] 43% of consumers now use AI tools daily: Report [00:14:10] Google CTRs Drop 32% For Top Result After AI Overview Rollout [00:21:05] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: Site Strategics Local SEO News Segment: [00:22:20] Google Business Profile Appeal Tool Now Shows Rejection Reasons [00:28:45] Google Search Can Now Call Local Businesses Using AI [00:44:01] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY [00:45:11] 1-star review attacks plague restaurants on Google [00:52:56] SEO vs GEO vs AIO: WTF? Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks WAIKAY https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @GregGifford X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Bruce Clay (yes, *the* Bruce Clay) returns to EDGE of the Web, and Erin tries to pretend the SEO world hasn’t changed a bit in five years. Spoiler: It most definitely has, and Bruce is here to walk us through his journey from the days of Excite and AltaVista to the AI-fueled search ecosystem of today. It’s a continued conversation on the EDGE regarding how AI is shaking up traditional SEO practices, from content and conversion to that all-important site-wide intent matching. Bruce and Erin break down the evolving art of helpful content, why intent is suddenly the star of the SEO show, and how marketers need to catch up with users who are now trained by endless queries and AI-powered overviews. If you thought ranking was tricky before, try staying relevant in a world where your web page needs to be more than just a pretty face—think FAQs, sitewide helpfulness, and a privacy link in your footer for extra measure. Bruce shares his firm take: AI is a tool, not a replacement. Research smarter, humanize your content, and, for the love of ranking, don’t let perfection get in the way of expertise. Key Segments: [00:01:20] Introduction to Bruce Clay [00:06:36] AI's Impact on SEO Practices [00:08:29] AI vs. Search Engine Queries [00:10:02] EDGE: Housekeeping - Who is coming up [00:16:21] Effective AI Content Strategy [00:20:22] Understanding Search Intent Optimization [00:22:13] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:25:50] AI's Consensus Over Search Optimization [00:31:36] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY) [00:36:35] AI-Enhanced Tool “Prewriter” Overview [00:43:42] AI: An Exciting Tool, Not The Only Solution Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Our Guest Twitter / X: @BruceClay LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-clay/ Resources Bruce Clay’s Prewriter: https://www.prewriter.ai/

It’s a packed episode of Paid Ad News from the EDGE, and Greg Finn of Cypress North is back to break down the latest developments across Google Ads, Performance Max, and AI-driven campaign shifts. Erin Sparks and Greg discuss everything from keywordless “AI Max” targeting to new reporting transparency in Performance Max, the future of video ads in search results, and the subtle changes coming to Local Service Ads. Plus, what does it mean when Google lets your manager’s policy violations pause your ad account? You’ll want to hear this. It’s all about smarter ad strategy, safer account management, and where AI is leading the paid space next. News from the EDGE: [00:03:30] A delay on the TikTok ban again? [00:07:05] Zero-click searches rise, organic clicks dip: Report [00:10:55] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:12:10] LLMS.txt - it’s a treasure map! Paid Ad News with Greg Finn: [00:15:16] Google Expands Video Ads Across Search, Shopping, and Image Tabs [00:17:56] Testing AI Max in Google Ads: When to try it and when to wait [00:22:25] Google begins rolling out Performance Max channel performance reporting [00:24:31] Google Ads Asset-Level PMax Reporting Rolling Out To Some [00:26:48] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY [00:28:08] Google Ads adds new “Conv. value (incl. predicted)” metric [00:31:10] Google Local Service Ads Tests Background Checked Labels [00:34:28] Google Ads may pause your account for manager violations Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks WAIKAY https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @gregfinn X: @MarketingOClock X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Human vs. Machine Mayhem Marketing maven Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web, diving headfirst into the audacious art of brand disruption in a world brimming with AI-generated noise. We unpack Schaefer’s latest book, "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World" offering wild tales of brands that drop the cookie-cutter for shock, spectacle, and seriously weird TikToks (lookin’ at you, Nutter Butter). From QR codes in the sky luring diners out of restaurants, to the marketing taboo-breakers of Liquid Death and ELF Cosmetics, we explore how marketers can stir emotion, break convention—without getting canceled—and measure the impact when you throw the box away altogether. Pro tip? If your marketing feels safe, it’s probably boring, and AI will eat your lunch. Mark serves up a snappy checklist for dodging legal snooze-fests and making campaigns people actually remember—because sometimes a little weird goes a long way. Key Segments: [00:02:22] The Book! [00:07:41] Reimagining Storytelling with AI [00:08:48] Unconventional Brand-Audience Connection Spaces [00:14:36] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:15:55] What Taboos are Worth Breaking [00:25:29] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY) [00:30:38] Unprecedented Innovation Evaluation [00:31:52] Embracing Unconventional Marketing Opportunities Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Our Guest Twitter: https://x.com/markwschaefer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwschaefer/ Resources: https://businessesgrow.com/ https://businessesgrow.com/audacious/

WordPress hits play after a messy pause, but is it too little, too late for the CMS giant? Meanwhile, Google’s AI experiments are changing the rules for email marketing, local search, and desktop Discover, leaving marketers everywhere scrambling for a playbook that doesn’t exist. Erin and SEO pro Cindy Krum break down WordPress’s mudslinging match with WP Engine and the quiet return to development, all while raising eyebrows over community trust. We check on Google’s ever-evolving SERPs—AI Overviews, the deployment of Discover on desktop, and the not-so-sneaky ways impressions and clicks are decoupling faster than you can say “zero-click search.” Added to the mix: AI’s impact on your inbox and why we might all end up living the “Dead Internet Theory.” Is SEO on life support or just evolving (again)? We debate the rosy new journey-centric approach while side-eyeing Google’s “trust us, bro” attitude toward data transparency. Buckle up for a rapid-fire tour through the SEO wilderness—tracking AI hallucinations, local search creepiness, and why “hyper-personalization” might not sell more cannolis after all. News from the EDGE: [00:03:22] WordPress Unpauses Development - but is it out of time? [00:08:05] Google Discover on Desktop [00:12:53] AI is Making a Major Impact on Email Marketing [00:16:57] Title Sponsor: Site Strategics SEO News from the EDGE: [00:20:01] The Great Decoupling Of Google Search [00:26:06] AI Overviews Research: How Google’s AI Answers Vary Across Five States [00:32:07] AI and Local Search: The New Rules of Visibility [00:37:49] Sponsor: WAIKAY from InLinks [00:40:33] Google Search Console to Show AI Mode Performance [00:46:01] Is SEO Still Relevant In the AI Era? Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @Suzzicks X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web to share his vision of marketing's future in an AI-saturated landscape. With a blend of insight and candor, Mark tackles the evolution of social media, the risks and rewards of AI, and how brands can stand out by tapping into authentic human emotion. Hear why traditional marketing is falling flat and discover what “everyday awe” means for building deep brand loyalty. Plus, Mark unveils the tech twist behind the cover of his new book, Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World. This is not just another marketing chat; it’s a call to disrupt before you're disrupted. Key Segments: [00:04:12] Marc Schaefer: Marketing Visionary [00:07:55] Shift to Private Online Spaces [00:12:45] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:15:35] Innovative Tech Saves Podcast Episode [00:17:28] AI Mimicking Voices of Deceased Relatives [00:21:49] Brand Marketing's Emotional Impact [00:23:25] Everyday Awe and Collective Effervescence [00:29:41] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks (WAIKAY) [00:32:21] "Audacious" Book Concept Exploration Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks/WAIKAY: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Follow Our Guest Twitter: https://x.com/markwschaefer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwschaefer/ Resources: https://businessesgrow.com/ https://businessesgrow.com/audacious/

CTR Secrets and Social Shakeups It’s another jam-packed ride on EDGE of the Web as Erin is joined by Duncan Alney of Firebelly to discuss News in Social this week. With Google hyping up AI Overviews but dodging every meaningful CTR question, it seems the only thing spinning faster than SERP layouts are the PR answers. Get the inside scoop on how ChatGPT gobbles up over 80% of AI search traffic (Google, take notes), why Meta’s launching a CapCut rival to remix your socials, and how Reddit is scrambling to keep the bots at bay after AI sock puppets could sway opinions 3-6x better than humans. Meanwhile, Pinterest is charging ahead with AI content labeling so you can actually see—surprise!—real images again. Plus, political maneuvering has TikTok advertisers doing the Hokey Pokey while Meta rolls out shiny new ad options across Threads and more. Our hot take? If you thought getting a blue check was easy, wait until you see Blue Sky put the power of verification in the hands of users and newsrooms—finally, checkmarks that mean something! So, whether you’re lamenting lost organic traffic, trying to dodge AI slop, or just want to keep your brand out of the spammy dog pile, grab your headphones and catch Erin, Duncan, and Jacob as they break it all down with wit, wisdom, and maybe one too many tinfoil hats. See you at the EDGE—don’t be a piece of cyber driftwood! News from the EDGE: [00:03:03] Google hypes AI Overviews, refuses to answer CTR question [00:09:19] ChatGPT Leads AI Search Race While Google & Others Slip [00:15:28] U.S. Copyright Office Cites Legal Risk At Every Stage Of Generative AI Social News from the EDGE: [00:20:11] Meta releases its CapCut rival Edits globally [00:22:45] Meta rolls out ads globally on Threads feed [00:26:15] Meta adds dynamic overlays to Advantage+ Catalog ads [00:29:12] A New Form of Verification on Bluesky [00:31:31] Cracking Down on Spammy Content on Facebook [00:36:44] Trump Says He May Extend TikTok Sell-off Deadline Once Again [00:40:26] Pinterest launches new tools to fight AI slop [00:42:44] Reddit Looks To Add Human Checks To Weed Out AI Profiles Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site WAIKAY https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay Thanks to our Social News Expert: Duncan Alney X: @firebelly LinkedIn: Duncan Alney Firebelly Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Curious where your website visitors are really clicking—or rage-clicking? On this week’s EDGE of the Web, SEO expert Celeste Gonzalez returns to break down how heatmaps and session recordings are transforming the way we analyze user behavior, optimize pages, and (hopefully) keep our clients engaged. We dig into practical tips for choosing the right pages to monitor, interpreting the sometimes confusing world of “dead clicks” versus “rage clicks,” and why your mobile hero image might be killing conversions. A/B testing? Internal linking tests for those blog post traffic hogs? On a side note: if you haven’t looked at Microsoft Clarity (a freebie, folks), you’re missing out. Celeste spills why it’s her go-to and what to watch for as AI-powered tools like Copilot throw their hot takes into the mix. And we concur! Always be optimizing! Whether you’re an SEO wrangling for bigger budgets or a marketer tired of guessing, Celeste’s advice on collaboration, continuous testing, and the necessity of structured analysis is worth its weight in user insights. [00:06:03] Prioritizing Heatmap Analysis for SEOs [00:07:27] Analyzing Target Pages versus Real Traffic Hits [00:08:55] Interpreting Areas of Frustration [00:10:48] Patterns that Require Immediate Attention [00:12:05] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:13:17] The Role of A/B Testing [00:15:33] Heat Maps and the Mobile Experience [00:20:07] SEOs: Always Be Optimizing the User Experience [00:23:02] What Should Guid the Decision on Heat Map Tools [00:26:56] Microsoft’s Copilot with Clarity Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Follow Our Guest Twitter: https://x.com/CelestexLili LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/celestelili/ YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@celestexlili?si=YCO1lfGw3KX2T4gJ BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/celestelili.bsky.social Resources https://clarity.microsoft.com/blog/how-to-make-the-most-of-your-heatmaps-data/ https://serpology.substack.com/p/leveraging-heatmaps-for-seo-testing

This week, Erin Sparks and Jacob Mann are joined by Danny Goodwin, editorial director at Search Engine Land, for a special “News from the News” edition. They dive into the sharp rise of Google Ad costs and the troubling effects of CPC inflation, Instagram’s experimental new collaborative Storylines feature, and an in-depth study comparing AI search engines like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Bing, and Google. The conversation shifts to major legal blows hitting Google’s ad tech monopoly, new research revealing how AI overviews are significantly cutting into click-through rates, and the future of search as generative AI reshapes the landscape. Plus, Danny shares exciting updates about SMX Advanced returning live this June in Boston, marking the first in-person event in five years. News from the EDGE: [00:04:29] CPC inflation: How fast are Google Ads costs rising? [00:09:45] Instagram Experiments With Collaborative Stories Feature [00:12:47] ChatGPT vs Perplexity vs Google vs Bing: Which AI search engine generates the best answers? [00:19:30] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: Site Strategics Focus on the News: [00:20:32] Court: Google’s illegal ad tech monopoly harmed the open web [00:22:42] Google hit with $6.6 billion lawsuit over search dominance [00:24:20] DOJ unveils plan to end Google’s illegal search monopoly [00:28:58] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY from InLinks [00:30:10] Google Search boss: AI Overviews boost click quality [00:33:59] New data: Google AI Overviews are hurting click-through rates [00:38:05] How generative information retrieval is reshaping search Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks https://edgeofthewebradio.com/inlinks Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @MordyOberstein X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio

Celeste Gonzalez, Director of Rue Labs at Rickety Roo, joins EDGE to explore how heat maps and user behavior tracking are transforming SEO strategy. She walks through Microsoft Clarity’s suite of tools—including tap, scroll, attention, and area heat maps—and explains how they reveal real user interactions beyond what traditional metrics can offer. From understanding time-on-page to visualizing content engagement, Celeste shows how these tools help SEOs optimize design, layout, and messaging. She highlights the growing need to “earn the scroll,” not just the click, especially as attention spans shrink and SERPs shift. Celeste also addresses common missteps, like overreacting to limited data or drawing conclusions in isolation. She encourages combining heat map data with tools like GA4 and leaning into collaboration with UX and marketing teams. With empathy and clear visual insights, SEOs can better advocate for redesigns, justify strategic shifts, and ensure content supports the entire user journey. This episode offers a practical, data-driven case for elevating UX within modern SEO workflows. Key Segments: [00:07:56] Understanding Heat Maps [00:13:01] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:14:38] SEO Testing and Heatmap Insights [00:16:23] User Interaction Analysis Tools [00:22:36] Copilot Streamlines Data Analysis [00:25:43] Balancing User Data & Client Concerns [00:29:01] SEO ROI Amid Changing SERPs Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Follow Our Guest Twitter: https://x.com/CelestexLili LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/celestelili/ YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@celestexlili?si=YCO1lfGw3KX2T4gJ BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/celestelili.bsky.social Resources https://clarity.microsoft.com/blog/how-to-make-the-most-of-your-heatmaps-data/ https://serpology.substack.com/p/leveraging-heatmaps-for-seo-testing

Advertisers are bailing on TikTok as another U.S. ban looms, shifting dollars to Meta while creators scatter to backup platforms. Meanwhile, Google credits Gemini for nuking 240 million spammy reviews and business edits, but don’t expect them to help you get your real reviews back. Big legal moves are underway: The NYT lawsuit against OpenAI and Microsoft will proceed, and Chegg is suing Google for killing traffic via AI Overviews. Sara Taher joins the show to unpack the long-term consequences of AI scraping and shrinking search real estate. We also dive into new AI traffic data showing LLMs are sending visits, barely, and why Google suddenly loves YouTube again. If you’re not aligning schema, content, and branding now, you’ll be shouting into the algorithm void. News from the EDGE: [00:02:26] Advertisers pull back from TikTok, boost Meta amid ban uncertainty [00:08:49] Google credits Gemini for better detection of fake business reviews and maps spam [00:14:11] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: Site Strategics AI / SEO News with Sara Taher: [00:15:48] NYT case against OpenAI and Microsoft can advance [00:18:20] Chegg sues Google for hurting traffic with AI as it considers strategic alternatives [00:21:46] AIO prevalence has now surpassed 20%. [00:25:53] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY from InLinks [00:29:19] 63% of Websites Receive AI Traffic [00:34:18] YouTube citations in Google AI Overviews surge 25% Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks https://edgeofthewebradio.com/inlinks Follow Us: X: @ErinSparks X: @SaraTaherSEO X: @TheMann00 X: @EDGEWebRadio #StandwithUkraine edgeofthewebradio.com/ukraine

SEO veterans Mike Blumenthal, Greg Sterling, and David Mim continue exploring the pressing questions surrounding Google's role as a utility and its evolving platforms. Focusing on the European search experience, the discussion also revolves around AI's role in modifying search results, and local service ads' impact on user behavior. The talk also touches on how changes in Google's algorithm and business model are propelling a significant decline in traditional website traffic. The guests from Near Media provide expert insights on how businesses can adapt by enhancing the visibility of their services via structured content that appeals directly to these AI-driven formats. Greg, Mike, and David share their perspectives on AI's potential to redefine consumer interactions with search platforms and marketing methods, while also highlighting the importance of direct customer relationships and authentic experiences. Key Segments: [00:06:51] EU Tech Regulation and Google's Search Impact [00:10:30] Local SEO and Zero-Click Evolution [00:13:07] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:14:00] Impact of Google Local Service Ads [00:17:00] Hotel Ads: Monetization Strategy Insights [00:20:40] Google Tests Enhanced AI Search Feature [00:25:31] Enhancing Local Conversion Strategies [00:29:07] Understanding User Intent in AI [00:32:22] AI's Concierge Era: Worth the Shift? [00:35:57] Tailoring Business Model to Audience Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Follow Our Guests: Mike Blumenthal: X: @mblumenthal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mblumenthal/ BlueSky: @mikeblumenthal.bsky.social Greg Sterling LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregsterling/ David Mihm LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/davidmihm Resources https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/google-preliminary-non-compliance-6-5/ https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/google-dma-compliance-2025-03/ https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/eu-home-services-search-behavior/ https://www.nearmedia.co/googles-2nd-local-pack-in-the-eu/ https://www.nearmedia.co/eu-home-services-search-behavior/

In Local News! Darren Shaw is back with us on the Local beat, giving us some key insights into the ongoing local marketing challenges. Great to have him back! In general digital marketing news, Google’s been dishing out settlements, and Amazon's itching for TikTok. There’s a Google's $100M settlement over AdWords billing practices. Might want to pay attention to that. Seems a bit precedent setting. Darren shares insights on how local SEO is evolving with trends like review recency and the significant role of video content. Meanwhile, Google’s mysterious local service ads anomaly didn't go unnoticed. What is with the testing of the green check mark in LSA? That is a huge value; why drop it? Google Business Profile Questions and Answers is gone. RIP. The “question” is, how valuable was it? Clippable coupons are showing up in the wild on GBP, but rarely. If you think negative reviews spook SEO experts, think again—Darren explains why they might be able to help you. All Things Local in this episode of Local News from the EDGE with Darren Shaw! News from the EDGE: [00:03:27] Google settles $100 Million advertising dispute [00:06:23] Amazon makes surprise bid for TikTok ahead of U.S. ban deadline [00:13:18] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics In Local News with Darren Shaw: [00:14:28] Restaurant Local Results get a facelift [00:17:45] Getting a negative review will boost your rankings [00:22:25] Google is working on restoring Local Service Ads advertiser console [00:25:11] Google Local Service Ads Tests Removing Green Screened Checkmark [00:31:44] Google Local Questions & Answers Feature Gone? [00:34:59] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: WAIKAY from InLinks [00:36:44] Google Local Knowledge Panel With Promotion Clipable Coupons [00:43:21] Your Local SEO Workout [00:47:49] Freshness Distance Calculator Thanks to our sponsors! Site Strategics https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Inlinks New Offering! https://edgeofthewebradio.com/waikay

This is going to be big. SEO Week 2025 is happening at the end of this month!. Held from April 28th to May 1st in New York City, this conference brings together a powerhouse of 40+ speakers to discuss the seismic shifts in SEO, including generative AI and its profound implications on search dynamics. Join Erin Sparks, Garrett Sussman, and Mike King as they share tales from the frontlines of SEO innovation. The conference is set to be groundbreaking. Thematic days are focused on the Science, Psychology, Ecosystem, and Future of SEO. Special guest Will Critchlow joins us with his fascinating take on how AI-powered searches are subtly yet drastically altering E-commerce strategy, giving a sneak peek into what to expect at the NYC event. Hold on tight because this isn’t just a conference—it’s a seismic shift poised to redefine SEO. Lily Ray, JR Oakes, and Jori Ford join the show and share a bit of their presentations that will happen at the conference. Get their takes on how important this conference is set to be! Ready to transform your SEO perspective? Tune in for the full scoop on how to snag a ticket, and don’t miss the chance to join us and the leading minds in search at this one-of-a-kind event! We have a free, full-week ticket giveaway for SEO Week! Simply share the EDGE of the Web LinkedIn post to enter a raffle for a full ride to the biggest SEO conference in recent history! Key Segments: [00:00:34] Introducing SEO Week: April 28 - May 1 [00:01:13] Mike King and Garrett Sussman of iPullRank [00:01:33] What is Different about this Conference? [00:03:58] Themes of the Conference [00:05:17] Speaker Insight: Will Critchlow, Ecommerce SEO [00:14:26] SEO Week: Cindy Krum [00:15:19] SEO Week: Tom Critchlow [00:15:57] Speaker Insight: Lily Ray, History of Google [00:21:32] EDGE of the Web Ticket Giveaway! $1200 Value [00:24:54] SEO Week: Wil Reynolds [00:25:28] Speaker Insight: JR Oakes, LLMs and AI [00:26:15] SEO Week: Crystal Carter [00:35:01] SEO Week: Aleyda Solis [00:38:26] Speaker Insight: Jori Ford, Crawler Logs for SEO [00:48:26] SEO Week: Ross Simmonds [00:49:11] SEO Week: Devin Bramhall [00:50:32] Mike King: Relevance Engineering [00:55:00] The SEO Gestalt - Learn about it in New York [00:58:07] Some of the Line Up of Speakers Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: http://edgeofthewebradio.com/site Resources: SEO Week EDGE of the Web LinkedIn page (for the giveaway!)

The EDGE untangles the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) with SEO veterans Mike Blumenthal, Greg Sterling, and David Mihm. This episode reveals how Google’s strategic maneuvers in Europe are reshaping the SERP landscape and challenging the status quo in local search. With a strong research effort of the last two years, our guests dissect Google's attempts to comply with the DMA, such as the introduction of the Places Sites Tab, Carousel and the decoupling of the Local Pack from Google Maps. Despite these efforts, user behavior tells a different story—one where Google's new features are largely ignored. It seems the Local Pack is still the go-to destination for users, regardless of these new additions. Meanwhile, the episode exposes an intriguing juxtaposition in the hotels vertical, where booking.com emerges as a formidable player through ad dominance, highlighting a complex dance between market giants. This scenario sparks a discussion on whether Google's self-preferencing tendencies are truly being curtailed or simply rebranded. Join us as we explore how Google's “play nice” strategies may just be a façade amidst ongoing DOJ antitrust pressure. Could this pave a path for diversified regional strategies and fresh opportunities in the digital marketing sphere? Let us know your thoughts of the show at https://ratethispodcast.com/EDGE Key Segments: [00:02:01] SEO News from the EDGE Highlig [00:04:40] Introducing NearMedia: Mike Bluementhal, Greg Sterling, and David Mihm [00:08:03] What is the Digital Marketing Act? [00:08:59] Article 65 of the DMA Applies to the Regulation of Search [00:11:37] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:13:34] What has Google Done to Comply with the DMA? [00:16:21] Google Rewriting History with Multiple Local Packs [00:18:13] Was This Done to Address American Antitrust Concerns? [00:20:06] Will the Election Change the Antitrust Enforcement? [00:24:23] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: InLinks [00:26:31] The DMA is not Prescriptive, But Setting Operational Parameters [00:28:10] Major Research Since 2023 on User Behavior [00:30:23] Google has a Self-Interest to Show You the Last Click [00:32:42] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Wix Studio [00:35:14] What was the Most Surprising Findings? Guess.... [00:38:15] In Summary: A Bad Faith Argument on Google's Part Thanks to Our Sponsors! Site Strategics: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/site InLinks: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/inlinks Wix: https://edgeofthewebradio.com/wixstudio Follow Our Guests: Mike Bluementhal: X: @mblumenthal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mblumenthal/ BlueSky: @mikeblumenthal.bsky.social Greg Sterling: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregsterling/ David Mihm: LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/davidmihm Resources https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/google-preliminary-non-compliance-6-5/ https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/google-dma-compliance-2025-03/ https://www.nearmedia.co/dma/eu-home-services-search-behavior/ https://www.nearmedia.co/googles-2nd-local-pack-in-the-eu/ https://www.nearmedia.co/eu-home-services-search-behavior/