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Accounting firm leaders are justifiably concerned about recruiting and retaining the talent needed for their firms to survive, and ideally, thrive. MOVE Like This features conversations, lessons and ideas Accounting MOVE Project firms have used to successfully find, retain, develop and advance women and diverse talent to drive competitive advantage and stand out from the crowd.


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Accounting firm leaders are justifiably concerned about recruiting and retaining the talent needed for their firms to survive, and ideally, thrive. MOVE Like This features conversations, lessons and ideas Accounting MOVE Project firms have used to successfully find, retain, develop and advance women and diverse talent to drive competitive advantage and stand out from the crowd.






Priscilla Hammonds with BerryDunn Joins the MOVE Conversation

Priscilla Hammonds, DEI Director at BerryDunn joins MOVE Like This to share her unique perspective as someone who has worked in the DEI space for 20+ years. We learn how BerryDunn has embraced diversity, equity, inclusion, belonging and access and committed time, resources and energy to creating a firm of choice for all potential employees. Priscilla also shares her thoughts on why firms that may be considering pulling back on their DEI investment should reconsider if they want to remain competitive. To learn more about BerryDunn, visit


Reema Patel with CBM Joins the MOVE Conversation

Reema Patel, accounting practitioner, financial advisor and co-director of D-PATH, CBM's diversity and inclusion initiative, talks about how the firm has created policies that attract and retain women, how she addresses DEI skepticism, and why she helped create a financial planning service targeting Millennials. We also learn why she would choose teleportation as her superpower. To learn more about CBM, visit


Angie Grissom with The Rainmaker Companies Joins the MOVE Conversation

Angie Grissom, CEO of The Rainmaker Companies and one of the most influential people in accounting, joins Bonnie to talk about the importance of diversity, equity and inclusion in today's profession. Topic discussed range from what firms can do to find and retain talent, how a "people-first" approach is vital to today's workforce, and what successful firms are doing to meet and exceed the needs of clients, the firm and their team members simultaneously. We also learn the impact travel has had on her world view and the superpower she wishes she had. To learn more about The Rainmaker Companies, visit


Amanda Pontow & Megan Geissinger from Bland & Associates Join the MOVE Conversation

Amanda Pontow, partner, and Megan Geissinger, Human Resources manager, at Bland & Associates join Bonnie to discuss how they are supporting local high schools to fight the talent shortage, discuss their Leadership training program, called BLING, and share how they are invested in cross training team members to ensure clients are always served at the highest level possible. Learn more about Bland & Associates by visiting


Jen Cryder of the PICPA Joins the MOVE Conversation

Jen Cryder, CEO of the Pennsylvania Institute of CPAs, joins Bonnie to talk about the talent crunch, the core reasons why fewer young people are entering the professions, and how some firms are addressing it. We also discuss some ways firms need to adjust to retain the people they have, particularly women, and where they need to invest their money to become firms of the future. Learn more about the PICPA here:


Arianna Savoca of Grassi Joins the MOVE Conversation

Arianna Savoca, Human Resources Manager with Grassi talks about how training and mentoring is built into the culture at Grassi, the great work and impact that the Women's Council and other ERGs have on the firm, and how bi-annual employee reviews help ensure pay equity at the firm. We also learn about the unique superpower she would like to have and how Bonnie would find it valuable too. Learn more about Grassi at


Lanelle Herink of HBE Joins the MOVE Conversation

Lanelle Herink, a partner at HBE, talks about the challenges of instilling culture in a remote working environment, how important it is to provide training and transparency for rising leaders in the firm, and offers advice for other firms looking to recruit, retain and promote women. We also learn that she'd head to Italy if given the opportunity to travel anywhere and what unique superpower she'd like to have. Learn more about HBE at


Dave Roberson of RoseRyan Joins the MOVE Conversation

Dave Roberson, president of RoseRyan, talks about why they decided to merge with ZRG and how it has gone in the last 18 months as well as the unexpected benefits of having a 100% remote workforce. We also discuss how having managers take on greater responsibility for the firm's strategic initiatives has better equipped the next generation of leaders for the future and led to exciting new insight and ideas. We also learn that Dave wants to travel to the Mt. Everest base camp, not to climb, but to support those that are. Learn more about RoseRyan by visiting


Robin Matthews of Jones & Roth Joins the MOVE Conversation

Robin Matthews, partner and shareholder at Jones & Roth in Oregon discusses the supportive culture at her firm and their philosophy of "one size fits one." With women comprising 42% of their partner group, Jones & Roth is well above average at retaining women into leadership positions, and Robin shares some of the reasons behind their success. She also shares advice for other firms looking to attract and retain more talented women and share where she'd like to travel too. To learn more about Jones & Roth, visit


Sharon Bhalaru of Armanino Joins the MOVE Conversation

Sharon Bhalaru, partner with Armanino, shares how one moment with a firm leader changed her trajectory and gave her the encouragement she needed to work toward her current role of partner. We also discuss the firm's B-Corp certification, how it embraced and expanded on BrownSmithWallace's The Bridge women's program and how having customized partnership options has allowed them to retain so many more women from manager to partner. We also learn the unique (yet fantastic) superpower she'd like to have. Learn more about Armanino at


Lori Leutwyler from Kerkering Barberio Joins the MOVE Conversation

Lori Leutwyler, HR Manager at Kerbering Barberio in Florida shares what her firm does to retain women so much better than other accounting firms, how they are extradorinarily selective about the clients they choose to serve and what they do to maintain connections in an environment where 65% of their staff employ a remote or hybrid schedule. We also learn about her incredibly brave great-grandmother's immigration story and the unique, but very useful, superpower she'd like to have. To learn more about Kerkering Barberio, visit


Jina Etienne Joins the MOVE Conversation

Jina Etienne, CEO of Etienne Consulting which exists to help clients all break through unseen barriers to see and create what is beyond. On this episode we learn more about Jina's work with firms, discuss some of the biggest changes impacting the accounting profession, and learn how she defines and helps firms create "fearless inclusion." To learn more about Jina and her firm, visit


Karen Mattull and Kim Paskal of BeachFleischman Join the MOVE Conversation

On this episode, you get two for the price of one as I talk to both Karen Mattull, COO and principal, and Kim Paskal, tax department COO and principal, from BeachFleischman in Arizona. We discuss how the firm has incorporated greater flexibility into its structure, how they have been successful recruiting and retaining women and people of color, and the advice they have for other firms with similar goals. We also learn how together, Karen and Kim would use their superpowers for the good of us all. To learn more about BeachFleischman, visit their website:


Avani Desai of Schellman Joins the MOVE Conversation

Avani Desai, CEO of Schellman, talks about her firm's unique service offering, how they intentionally recruit women and people of color, and many of the ways they create a culture where people want to work. We also learn about some of the interesting ways they encourage employees to truly unplug to avoid burnout, and Avani offers advice to other firms searching for a similar work-life cohesion. Learn more about Schellman at


Becky Guenther of Rehmann Joins the MOVE Conversation

Becky Guenther, Director of Total Rewards at Rehmann shares all the reasons why her firm has been named one of the Best CPA Firms for Women for the last 10 years. Topics include how they are weaving DEI into all parts of the firm, the importance of ensuring pay equity and all the ways the firm managed to avoid the "Great Resignation" too. We also determine that we should all have "positivity rays" on hand at all times. Learn more about Rehmann at


Donny Shimamoto from the Center for Accounting Transformation Joins the MOVE Conversation

Donny Shimamoto, the visionary behind the Center for Accounting Transformation, joins MOVE Like This to talk about the work he is doing to help accounting firms become more inclusive and what he has learned from his recent DEI research. We discuss how there are so many ways to think about diversity, and that no firm is too small to embrace it. Toward the end, we learn why he'd love to travel back to Japan, and Bonnie adds a new place to her travel bucket list.


Tricia Bencich of Moss Adams Joins the MOVE Conversation

Tricia Bencich, Inclusion & Social Responsibility Associate Director at Moss Adams, discusses the policies and initiatives the firm is undertaking to create an inclusive work culture where team members want to stay and how they are measuring their efforts so they know what is working and what may need adjustment. We also talk about Moss Adams' original and continued support as MOVE's founding sponsor, and Tricia provides recommendations for firms just getting started on their DEI journey. We end with a discussion of how both Tricia and Bonnie would like to be able to make things happen by twitching their noses like Samantha on the 70s TV show Bewitched. Learn more about Moss Adams here:


Lori Kaiser from Kaiser Consulting Joins the MOVE Conversation

Lori Kaiser, founder and CEO of Kaiser Consulting, talks about her firm's unique model of all employees working part-time hours, their recent acquisition by a private equity firm, and why traveling to Antartica is on her bucket list.


Keynote Speaker & Leadership Coach Scharrell Jackson Joins the MOVE Conversation

Scharrell Jackson, an accomplished international keynote speaker and leadership coach with decades of firsthand public accounting experience, joins MOVE Like This to talk about Juneteenth and so much more. We touch on the changes firm leaders must embrace to compete in today's market, how to bring more diversity to the profession, and the importance of creating a work culture of inclusion so everyone can feel like they belong, contribute and rise through the ranks to become leaders.


Corinne LaRoche of James Moore & Co. Joins the MOVE Conversation

Corinne LaRoche, Nonprofit Partner, James Moore & Co. shares some of the reasons her firm has nearly reached partner between men and women, her thoughts on how firms can approach work differently to adjust to fewer students entering the profession, and why she wanted to be a weather girl when she was 5 years old. Visit to learn more about James Moore & Co.