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On The Lawyer's Edge podcast, attorney and professional business coach Elise Holtzman sits down with successful lawyers, legal marketing specialists, business leaders and authors to talk about how lawyers and law firms can grow and sustain healthy, profitable businesses.

On The Lawyer's Edge podcast, attorney and professional business coach Elise Holtzman sits down with successful lawyers, legal marketing specialists, business leaders and authors to talk about how lawyers and law firms can grow and sustain healthy, profitable businesses.


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On The Lawyer's Edge podcast, attorney and professional business coach Elise Holtzman sits down with successful lawyers, legal marketing specialists, business leaders and authors to talk about how lawyers and law firms can grow and sustain healthy, profitable businesses.




Marc Luber | Should You Ditch Your Law Career or Can You (Really!) Find Happiness as a Lawyer?

Marc Luber is the Founder of JD Careers Out There and the JD Refugee coaching program. He’s also a volunteer board member for the Concern Foundation, a cancer research nonprofit. Before starting JD Careers Out There, Marc used his law background in the music industry and spent the better part of the 2000s as an attorney recruiter in Los Angeles. JD Careers Out There is a membership site for lawyers, law students, and potential law students who want to have a career they love. As a career...


Pat Gillette | Just Ask! How Women Can Succeed as Rainmakers AND Law Firm Leaders

Pat Gillette is one of the country’s leading experts and most sought-after speakers on gender diversity and equality. She regularly speaks at law firm retreats, conferences, ABA meetings, State Bar meetings, and industry events. Over the 40 years that Pat practiced law, she ranked as a top employment litigator and trial lawyer and was a leader and rainmaker in her firms. Pat’s book, Rainmakers: Born or Bred, details practical tactics and strategies that can be easily implemented to enhance...


Dina Mastellone | Bar Association Involvement Can Accelerate Career and Business Development Success

Dina Mastellone is the Partner and Chair of the Human Resources Counseling & Compliance Group at Genova Burns LLC. She is also a member of the Employment Law & Litigation and Criminal Defense, Investigations & Compliance practice groups. At Genova Burns LLC, Dina works with regional and national clients, counseling them on employment matters and auditing human resources policies, handbooks, and procedures. She has extensive experience training businesses on issues involving anti-harassment,...


Michael DeLon | How To Attract Clients by Intentionally Building Your Credibility and Visibility

Michael DeLon is a #1 Amazon International best-selling author, business growth strategist, and marketing expert. He is the Experts Speak podcast host and the President of Paperback Expert, which helps business owners publish books that position them as experts in their field. In addition to his work at Paperback Expert, Michael provides marketing strategies and business growth coaching as the President of Reformational Marketing. He has been a speaker at the PILMMA Super Summit since 2015,...


Tracey Diamond | Back to Work, Sort Of – How Law Firms Can Manage as COVID Drags On

Tracey Diamond is a Partner at Troutman Pepper, where she helps clients structure their workforces in the most efficient and effective way possible. Tracey is skilled in many areas, including workplace issues, harassment training, internal investigations, drafting policies and procedures, and negotiating employment and severance agreements. Before joining the firm, Tracey was Director of Human Resources and Operations for a large nonprofit organization, where she was responsible for all HR...


Allison Williams | How To Grow Your Small Firm and Get Your Life Back by Spending LESS Time With Clients

Allison Williams is the CEO and Founder of Law Firm Mentor, a company that provides business coaching to help law firm owners become more efficient, increase revenue, and build successful firms. Allison is also the Founder of Williams Law Group, which grew to become a multimillion-dollar company in just three and a half years. Allison has received many accolades, including the LawFirm500 award, ranking 14th among the fastest-growing law firms in the nation, and she was voted NJBIZ’s Top 50...


Cole Silver | How Younger Lawyers Are Changing the Profession and Why Senior Lawyers Need To Pay Attention

Cole Silver is the Chief Client Officer at Blank Rome, an Am Law 100 firm that provides a full range of legal and advocacy services to clients worldwide. Before going in-house, Cole ran his own multi-state law firm called The Silver Law Group. For over 25 years, he served as General Counsel to several high-growth companies, providing an insider’s view of clients’ real-world concerns and a unique market perspective that drives business and client growth. Cole has also authored books and...


Leslee Cohen | How To Become a Rainmaker and Leader on Your Own Terms

Leslee Cohen is the Founding Partner of AllRise Legal Counsel, a boutique law firm in Chicago founded 11 years ago that helps startups, entrepreneurs, and small businesses with their early-stage fundraises, day-to-day contract needs, and mergers and acquisitions. Leslee has over 20 years of experience as a corporate and securities lawyer. Before co-founding her firm, Leslee spent seven years on Wall Street and 13 years at a large law firm in Chicago, where she formed and led the Women’s...


Pieter van der Hoeven | Using Technology to Meet Client Demand and Deepen Client Relationships

Pieter van der Hoeven is the Co-founder and CEO of Clocktimizer, a company that helps law firms streamline operations, improve firm-wide profitability, and build and scale pricing and legal project management teams. Pieter has a background as an attorney-at-law, working at firms including DLA Piper and KPN, both based in the Netherlands. During that time, he spent evenings pouring over data and spreadsheets to provide his clients with transparency, which prompted the desire to automate...


Liel Levy | Why You Should Market Your Law Firm to the Hispanic Community and How to Do It Right

Liel Levy is the Co-founder and Head of Partnerships at Nanato Media, a bilingual digital marketing agency specializing in the US Hispanic market. Nanato Media focuses on helping law firms across the country run relevant campaigns targeting local Hispanic markets. After a career in the food and hospitality space, Liel entered the marketing industry, working as the Assistant Food and Beverage Director and MUZE Restaurant Manager at Mandarin Oriental and Restaurants Manager at Meliá Hotels...


Ida Abbott | Retirement Is No Longer Just for Seniors: How to Design Your Future Now

Ida Abbott is the President of Ida Abbott Consulting, a consulting firm that has served employers, individuals, partners, and law firms since 1995. Most of her current work focuses on three areas: supporting retirement transitions by helping firms create dignified retirement processes and helping individuals design happy, fulfilling futures; promoting mentoring and sponsorship; and advancing women into leadership. Due to 40-plus years of valuable contributions as a lawyer and consultant,...


Erin Lawler | How “Client Listening” Leads to Increased Revenue and Client Loyalty

Erin Lawler is the Head of M&BD, Americas at Hogan Lovells, an international law firm that operates at the intersection of business and government. She has over 20 years of experience in Am Law 100 firms, and this is her third leadership role at Hogan Lovells. Erin has established “best in class” client programs and increased collaboration in her previous role as the Global Head of M&BD Operations and Business Management. Prior to Hogan Lovells, Erin worked in Business Development for...


Stacey Brown Randall | How to Generate Referrals Without Asking

Stacey Brown Randall is the Founder of the Brown Randall Group, where she helps business owners generate referrals without asking. As a self-proclaimed Referral Ninja Master, Stacey brings her decades of experience in talent management, marketing, and strategy to teach clients her 5-step formula for gaining referrals in a way that honors and fosters relationships. Before starting her company, Stacey was an Adjunct Professor at Queens University of Charlotte and Chief Talent Officer at HF...


Chelsea Bonini | A Corporate Lawyer’s Passionate Advocacy for Disability Inclusion

Chelsea Bonini is the Chief Legal Officer for the Conscious Inclusion Company, a woman-owned, minority-operated business dedicated to helping organizations do well from a business perspective while encouraging equality in the workplace. Chelsea founded her law firm, Kiski Law, in 2010 and serves as the CEO. She is also the Chief Legal Officer at Freeman Means Business. Chelsea was recently elected to the San Mateo County Board of Education in California and serves on the county's Commission...


Smart Collaboration | How Law Firms Can Increase Revenues, Grow Client Loyalty, and Improve Diversity

Dr. Heidi Gardner is the Co-founder of Gardner & Co, a research and advisory firm that helps clients across professional services, industry, government, and nonprofit drive change through smarter collaboration. In addition to this, Dr. Gardner is a Distinguished Fellow at Harvard Law School and a Faculty Chair of the school’s Accelerated Leadership Program and Sector Leadership Masterclass. She was previously a professor of Organizational Behavior and the Assistant Professor of Business...


The Women's Advocate | How to Stand Up for Yourself at Work

Sarah Nichols is the Founder and Managing Attorney at Nichols Law, P.C. Sarah has over 20 years of experience in HR and employment law and provides effective legal representation to employers and employees alike. Before founding her own firm, Sarah worked at Ogletree Deakins as an Employment Attorney. Sarah has held many positions in the legal field at firms such as Littler Mendelson P.C., Fisher & Phillips, LLP, and Morrison & Foerster LLP. She has also worked as a Lecturer of Law at UC...


Vishal Agnihotri | Information Overload: How Law Firms of Every Size Can Wade Through an Ocean of Data

Vishal Agnihotri is the Chief Knowledge Officer at Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP, a national law firm with over 400 lawyers. Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP delivers a sophisticated legal practice with emphasis in litigation, consumer financial services, environmental law, and much more. As the CKO, Vishal oversees the firm’s knowledge management, legal product management, and research services. Before joining Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP, Vishal held a variety of executive leadership positions, including...


Mary Abbajay | Managing Up: How to Succeed with Any Type of Boss

Mary Abbajay is the President of Careerstone Group, LLC, a full-service organizational and leadership development consultancy that delivers leading-edge talent development solutions to business and government. Mary has over 20 years of leadership experience and is a frequent contributor to print, radio, and television publications such as Forbes, The New York Times, and the BBC. In addition to this, Mary currently serves on the Greater Washington Market President’s Board of BB&T Bank and is...


Kate Mortensen | Taking Action Today: A Chief Legal Officer Finds Her Path While Trekking Through South America

Kate Mortensen is the Chief Legal Officer at Xact Data Discovery (XDD), a leading international provider of eDiscovery, data management, and managed review services for law firms and corporations. In this role, Kate is responsible for leading corporate strategic and tactical legal initiatives, managing outside counsel, and offering support across all business units. Kate is also the Assistant Director for the Phoenix chapter of Women in eDiscovery, a nonprofit organization that facilitates...


Michael Swanson | Law Firm Finance 101: Essential, Practical Tips for Stability and Success

Michael Swanson is the Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Directors at Advocate Capital, Inc., a litigation finance firm that provides funding to law firms, lawyers, and plaintiffs for legal disputes. Michael’s daily role covers a wide variety of responsibilities, including client relations, strategic planning, marketing, and public relations. Before joining Advocate Capital, Inc., Michael was the President of Wellgen Standard LLC, a private equity firm, and the Vice...