Trillions

It’s that time of the year. Exchange, the big exchange-traded fund conference, was held in Las Vegas this year and brought together many in the ETF industry to talk shop and network. This year's big theme was ETF share class and the selloff in stocks, but no stones were left unturned under the scorching Nevada sun. On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber go over Balchunas’s “man on the street” interviews with several of the attendees at Exchange, including representatives from VettaFi, Franklin Templeton, Natixis, FactSet, CF Benchmarks and ETF Guide. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the aftermath of President Donald Trump’s April 2 “Liberation Day,” stock markets around the world plunged. Yet just 13 hours after Trump’s tariffs took effect, the president paused them for 90 days — for countries not named China, that is. Markets soared in response to Trump’s backpedaling. The S&P 500 Index climbed almost 10% while the Nasdaq Composite Index jumped by the most since 2001. The Trump put, or the belief that the president uses the stock market as his scoreboard, appears to be alive and well after all. On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber discuss what just happened, how ETFs fared and where cracks appeared. They also assess flows, volume and what to watch next. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is not your grandfather's ETF industry. What started as boring, predictable and passive has morphed into all kinds of strategies and packaged trades being put into new ETFs, including leverage, options overlays and private assets. In all this, some from the old school are worried that investors may not be receiving the exposure and protection from issuers that they think they are. On this episode of Trillions, Joel and Eric speak and debate with ETF veteran and author Dave Nadig about his recent buzz-worthy blog post about Black Hat vs White Hat ETFs. They are joined buy Vildana Hajric of Bloomberg News. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

First Trust, the sixth-largest issuer of US exchange-traded funds, has managed to stay mostly under the radar in the investing world — and yet it's also perfected a lucrative, Vanguard-proof business model. The company's products are directed more at financial advisors than the retail world, and their funds, most of which are actively managed, have higher fees than typical index-tracking ETFs. Enter the First Trust sales force, which wields steak dinners, personal coaching, sports tickets and Hermès scarves to win business — practices that have attracted the attention of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber speak with Bloomberg News reporters Emily Graffeo and Max Abelson about their recent First Trust story, “An All-American Finance Empire Drew Billions—and a Regulator’s Attention,” for Bloomberg Businessweek. They discuss CEO Jim Bowen's approach, how the company has distinguished itself from competitors, and why Finra is investigating the company's sales tactics. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

European stocks are off to a strong start this year—one of their best ever in fact and easily beating the US market. But can it last? Will US tech stocks come roaring back again? And are there any reasons to invest in Europe besides stocks there just being “cheap?” On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber speak with Gina Martin Adams, Bloomberg Intelligence’s chief equity strategist, and Todd Sohn, senior exchange-traded fund and technical strategist at Strategas Securities. They discuss Europe’s fundamentals, the market’s limitations and why it’s outperforming now. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There's something special about the U.S. stock market- it's like the Eighth Wonder of the World when it comes to kicking out consistently big returns. Other regions have a nice runs now and then but they are always short-lived and microscopic compared to the U.S. Why is that? And how long can this level of dominance last? On this episode of Trillions we speak with Steve Hou, Quantitative Researcher at Bloomberg Indices. He talks about why U.S. companies are rewarded for their innovation while other countries are not. We also speak about the attributes that make the US culture and economy unique and what regions stand the best chance to compete in the next decade. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Municipal bonds are the foundation of how American cities and states operate. And a big reason investors love “munis” is their tax-free status. But if you think that makes muni ETFs sound boring, think again. On this episode, Eric and Joel speak with Eric Kazatsky, head of municipal strategy at Bloomberg Intelligence and co-host of the podcast Masters of the Muniverse. They discuss the storied history of munis, how they figure into portfolios — and how that favored tax-free status could be at risk in President Donald Trump’s second term. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Will the first private credit ETF be launched in 2025? Will IVV cut fees in an effort to stop VOO from passing SPY in assets? Could we see over 50 new crypto-related ETFs launch? No one knows for sure but they are certainly going to be hot topics all year. On this episode of Trillions, Joel and Eric talk to Nate Geraci, President of The ETF Store, about his five big predictions for 2025. The heated debate also includes Vildana Hajric or Bloomberg News. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gold or Bitcoin? The answer to that question—as always—depends on whom you ask. Yet the response will regularly be a passionate one. The exchange-traded fund has played an enormous role in making both assets more accessible, part of the reason 2024 was such a banner year. With the debut of spot Bitcoin ETFs and Donald Trump’s election (given his embrace cryptocurrency during the campaign), we now look to what the new year means for both. On this episode of Trillions, recorded at Bloomberg’s “ETFs in Depth” event on Dec. 12 in New York, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber discuss the two sectors with Simeon Hyman of ProShares, David Lavalle of Grayscale and George Million-Stanley of State Street Global Advisors. The group explores gold and Bitcoin as a store of value, how each asset can benefit investors and even how the two can coexist in a single portfolio. They also discuss what to make of Trump’s recent enthusiasm for crypto and how their companies are preparing for the incoming administration. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's pretty safe to say that 2024 was the best year ever for ETFs. The industry saw record flows of $1 trillion, a record 670 new launches and a 30% jump in assets- not to mention that record smashing bitcoin ETF launch. So how do you top that? On this episode of Trillions Joel and Eric host a roundtable discussion on highlights from 2024 as well as predictions for 2025 with Todd Rosenbluth, head of research at VettaFi, Vildana Hajric, reporter with Bloomberg News and Athanasios Psarofagis, ETF Analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

US large cap stocks have had an unbelievable run, and this year has been no exception. But how much longer can this Magnificent 7-driven winning streak really last? What kind of moves should investors consider making? And which products should they use? ETF strategists ponder questions just like this, and they're experts at figuring out how to meet the moment — or realize an idea — with the right product. On this episode of Trillions, Joel and Eric speak with John Davi, CEO of Astoria Portfolio Advisors, about his Top 10 — or maybe it's 14? — ETFs that he likes in 2025. These ETFs include small caps, commodities, mortgage-backed bonds, IPOs and financial stocks. They also discuss his overall view of the market as well as the ETF industry. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“The House That Jack Bogle Built” is alive and well in sleepy Malvern, Pennsylvania. So far this year, the asset management firm that pioneered low-cost investing—so much so that “beta” is almost free now—has hoovered up another $256 billion of inflows into its US exchange-traded funds. But as the company nears its 50th anniversary, can it continue to succeed without changing its tried-and-true ways? On this episode of Trillions, Eric Balchunas and Joel Weber speak with Vanguard’s Janel Jackson, head of bank and institutional in the company’s Financial Advisor Services division. They discuss her time at Vanguard, how she discovered the power of ETFs, why the company remains “true to label” despite the industry’s love of “spicy” products and even where Vanguard might look to push the envelope. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.