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0304 - Who Threw That Bomb? Politics, Systemic Racism, and Repentance (w/ Jemar Tisby)

Host: Isaac Adams Overview: "As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting." (2 Corinthians 7:9) Join Isaac Adams and Jemar Tisby as the two talk about politics, which so often combines race, religion, idolatry, and power. Still, Tisby maintains Christians are political creatures who need not shy away from politics. Tisby discusses the nature of systemic racism, and how it's too narrow a view to reduce racism down to personal animus. Rather...


0303 - The Christ We Share is More Important than the Politics We Don't (w/ Mark Dever)

Host: Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell Overview: "Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (James 1:19-20). In this episode, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams sit with Mark Dever, Pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington D.C. The three of them discuss interracial dating, single-issue voting and racial divisions in churches, the American flag in worship...


0302 - Not Political Correctness But What the Bible Says (w/ Ken Mbugua)

Host: Isaac Adams Overview: But do not gloat over the day of your brother in the day of his misfortune; do not rejoice over the people of Judah in the day of their ruin; do not boast in the day of distress. (Obadiah 12) Join Isaac as he heads to Kenya to talk with Pastor Ken Mbugua about tribalism and its hidden faults. Kenya, along with some of its churches, has wonderful diversity as there are 42 tribes there. And every five years Kenyan pastors of multi-ethnic churches are reminded of...


0301 - My Great-Grandfather Sold Slaves (w/ Saidi Chishimba)

Host: Isaac Adams Overview: "And they sat with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his suffering was very great." (Job 2:13) Come hear a man reckon with the hard history of his lineage: His family sold slaves. To kick off Season 3, Isaac Adams travels through Africa to pray with and learn from African pastors about race, the local church, and politics. In this episode, Isaac sits with Pastor Saidi Chishimba, a pastor in Zambia....


0300 - What's Changed & What's the Same

Host: Isaac Adams Overview: “Satan dreads nothing but prayer. His one concern is to keep the saints from praying. He fears nothing from prayerless studies, prayerless work, prayerless religion. He laughs at our toil, he mocks our wisdom, but he trembles when we pray.” - Samuel Chadwick Isaac gives us an overview of Season 3 and its focuses. We say goodbye to some old friends and hello to some new. Also, we’re hiring! Links & Show Notes: 1. Book: “If God Is For Us: The Everlasting Truth...


Summer Special: The Gospel in Color — A Theology of Racial Reconciliation for Families (w/ Jarvis Williams)

Host: Isaac Adams Guest: Jarvis Williams Overview: “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians 6:10-12) In this Summer Special, Isaac Adams sits with...


0208 - Season 2 Finale: Pray Without What?

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Overview: “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18) In the Season 2 Finale, Trillia and Isaac reflect upon God’s grace throughout another season of United? We Pray. They reflect upon 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 — “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.” This...


0207 - What About The Other “Other”? More Than A Black/White Conversation (w/ Duke Kwon)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Duke Kwon Overview: “The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.” (Luke 18:11) Should our conversations about race and the church only be black and white? What is lost if we don’t have a wider conversation, and what is gained from having a broader conversation that includes those of other ethnicities? Korean-American pastor...


0206 - How Can I Help My Pastor In A Time of Racial Suspicion? (w/ Miguel Davilla)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Miguel Davilla Overview: “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:35) How can lay church members help their pastors in times of racial suspicion? What is racial suspicion? Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams sit with pastor Miguel Davilla to discuss the posture church members can have to serve, love, and encourage their pastors in times of racial division. Join them for the conversation...


0205 - Stopping By Ephesus: Reflections 50 Years After MLK Jr.’s Assassination (w/ John Perkins)

Host: Isaac Adams Guest: John Perkins Overview: “Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:10) Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968 in Memphis, Tennessee. Fifty years later to the day, Isaac Adams sat with Dr. John Perkins, an 87-year-old civil rights activist, a few blocks from where Dr. King was killed. There, Isaac heard Perkins’ reflections on race and the church in light of his work and MLK Jr.’s legacy. Originally, Isaac and...


0204 - 20 Years Later: Why Are Evangelicals (Still) Divided by Faith? (w/ Michael Emerson)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Michael Emerson Overview: "Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger." (James 1:19) In this episode, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams talk with Michael Emerson, one of the authors of the seminal work, Divided by Faith. Published nearly 20 years ago, Divided by Faith examines evangelicals and the problem of race from a sociological perspective. What personal and professional experiences led...


0203 - Colorblindness: What If I Don’t See You As My Black Friend?

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Overview: "After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." (Revelation 7:9) Colorblindness is the theory that if we ignore race, then racial problems will eventually cease. Is this term and theory helpful or unhelpful. Why or why not? How is it...


0202 - What’s The Goal Of Racial Reconciliation?

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Overview: “Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.” (Romans 13:9) In this episode, Trillia and Isaac talk and pray about the goal of racial reconciliation. Why is it helpful or unhelpful? What isn’t the goal of racial reconciliation? Join us in prayer. And as you do, consider what we suggest the goal of reconciliation is: NOT THIS: We begin this episode by focusing on the fact that the goal of reconciliation is not merely...


0201 - Interracial Marriages: One Flesh but Two Families? (w/ SharDavia Walker)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: SharDavia Walker Overview: “What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” (Mark 10:9) In the opening to season two, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams talk and pray with SharDavia Walker about interracial marriages—the beauty of them and the difficulty of them in and outside the church. How do you humbly and honestly navigate conversations with family who don’t approve of interracial relationships? Does the Bible speak about...


0200 - So, We’re Still Praying?

Overview: “We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you.” (2 Chronicles 20:12b) Taking racial struggles to the throne, United? We Pray is a podcast that calls for prayer about racial divisions in churches. With all that could be said about race and the church, why have a podcast on prayer? Here are four reasons: The Bible commands prayer. Church History commends prayer. Pastors know about prayer. Christians agree on prayer. And so we pray. We’d love for you to join us for this...


0108 - Season’s Greetings: Season’s Finale & Safe Places (w/ Jasmine Holmes)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Jasmine Holmes Overview: “I will give thanks to the Lord with my whole heart; I will recount all of your wonderful deeds. I will be glad and exult in you; I will sing praise to your name, O Most High.” (Psalm 9:1-2) In the season finale, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adams reflect on the first season of United? We Pray, and they speak with Jasmine Holmes about safe places. In the race conversation, at times, someone will say something unhelpful or...


0107 - Remembering Rightly: History, Race, and American Christianity (w/ Matt Hall)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Matt Hall Overview: “For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility...that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace…” (Ephesians 2:14-15) In our last episode with Karen Ellis, Trillia Newbell and Isaac Adam looked at underground churches in other countries to glean lessons about unity. In this episode, the hosts speak with Dr. Matt Hall,...


0106 - Small & Unannounced: Unity & Underground Churches (w/ Karen Ellis)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Karen Ellis Overview: “Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field…” (Matt. 13:31) Missiologist Karen Ellis joins Isaac Adams and Trillia Newbell to share insights about race and unity from her work with underground churches. Karen focuses on the faithfulness of brothers and sisters in churches around the world as they do work that is small and unannounced. That’s what...


0105 - Merciful Mouths: Bold & Foolish Words (w/ Jackie Hill Perry)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Jackie Hill Perry Overview: “He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8) In this episode, Jackie Hill Perry discusses the difference between boldness and foolishness in speaking about race and the church. Jackie, Trillia, and Isaac discuss the power of prayer to guard the believer against unforgiveness and bitterness as well as other...


0104 - Evil Days: First Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs (w/ Matt Chandler)

Hosts: Isaac Adams & Trillia Newbell Guest: Matt Chandler Overview: “As soon as I heard these words I sat down and wept and mourned for days, and I continued fasting and praying before the God of heaven.” (Nehemiah 1:4) Originally, Isaac and Trillia planned to talk and pray about white supremacy with Matt Chandler. However, given the recent tragedy in Texas at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, we thought it would be appropriate to pray for our brothers and sisters there. While...