Online Learning in the Second Half

In this episode, John and Jason talk IN PERSON, reflecting on year one of their podcast. Keeping with the theme, they also find a few rabbit holes to chase, consider developments in AI, and talk about educational and ethical considerations around AI-generated music and video. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Hard Fork PodcastSORA OpenAI VideoAlibaba EMO Video Demo (Jason’s LinkedIn post)Suno.aiGangstagrassMr. Beast on Youtubemakeup brush holder Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! 1 Year Anniversary Special [00:00:00] Jason: Would you happen to have a pen I could borrow? Yeah. [00:00:02] John: Felt blue, black. [00:00:04] Jason: That is amazing. I've just this moment, I just noticed your incredible, your - you've got like a pen store. [00:00:10] John: These are makeup brush holders. [00:00:12] Jason: Oh really? Okay. Black, please. [00:00:15] John: ballpoint, flare [00:00:17] Jason: pen, Flare. Perfect. [00:00:19] John: yeah [00:00:19] Jason: And would you happen to have any sticky notes? That's incredible. You are really set up here. That is something else. [00:00:24] John: I dream that someone, no one visits me. I'm set up for a full-on brainstorming session with a gigantic. Five feet by three-foot whiteboard and 500 colored sticky notes. [00:00:34] Jason: Sticky notes galore. [00:00:35] John: Yeah, I'm ready to change things if anybody wants to come over. [00:00:38] John: I'm John Nash here in the same room with Jason Johnston. [00:00:43] Jason: Hey John, hey everyone, and this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:48] John: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but there's still a lot that quite isn't there. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:01:02] Jason: How about we create a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:06] John: How about we do that? How about we create a podcast, do it for a year, and then talk about what that year was like? [00:01:11] Jason: that sounds great! Happy anniversary, John! [00:01:13] John: Happy anniversary, Jason. [00:01:15] Jason: I should have brought you something. I didn't. I'm sorry. How about we go out to lunch and we and we celebrate? [00:01:20] John: yeah, and maybe we can get a demo of the Apple Vision. [00:01:23] Jason: Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah. There's a little place right there where we can grab some lunch and maybe go over to the Apple store. See what's going on. [00:01:30] John: Yeah, [00:01:31] Jason: That would be thematic. A lot of this podcast has been a number of things. One, talking about online learning, but also talking about the new tech and how it might affect online learning in the last year. [00:01:41] John: Yeah. We are EdTech nerds also. [00:01:43] Jason: We are, we tend to nerd out on a few of these things. Today on my way over here, because I had to drive to this podcast today. I didn't do this podcast in my pajamas. [00:01:54] John: Horrors. And you drove yourself. You had to operate a machine to get here. [00:01:59] Jason: But it gave me, afforded me a little bit of time in the car to listen to a podcast. I listened to our first episode. It was kind of nostalgic, [00:02:06] John: you weren't tuning in to our first episode just out of some kind of vanity thing Oh, I love listening to me. [00:02:12] Jason: No, it was not because I like the sound of my own voice. Although after doing a podcast for a year, you get used to it. [00:02:18] John: you don't even know what you sound like. You're...

In this episode, John and Jason talk to Karen Watté, the Senior Director of Course Development and Training at Oregon State University’s Ecampus about their free tools for AI guidance in higher education and how to humanize online education. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: https://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/faculty/artificial-intelligence-tools/https://michellemillerphd.substack.com/p/r3-117-september-15-2023-reflectionhttps://ecampus.oregonstate.edu/faculty/artificial-intelligence-tools/readiness-playbook/ Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:01] Jason Johnston: I picture everyone in Oregon in Log cabins and so on. Is that correct? [00:00:04] Karen Watté: no, not at all. [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: What? [00:00:07] Karen Watté: I always say tell our candidates who are coming, I say, we have the best of both worlds. You're an hour from some beautiful ski areas, you're an hour from the coast. And boy, if you wanna see the desert, you just head on a little bit further. And we've got the high desert. So, we've got something of every, for everyone here. I've lived other places too and I come back, and I say, oh, this is, this has got it all. [00:00:31] Jason Johnston: I grew up in Canada, and sometimes we would talk to people about the igloos that we lived in and having to check our dog sleds at the border and those kinds of things. Sometimes they believed us, sometimes they didn't. [00:00:44] Karen Watté: Yeah. [00:00:45] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:48] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:53] John Nash: we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great and some of it is, but there's still a lot that really isn't. So, Jason, how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:01:08] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:13] John Nash: I love that idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:16] Jason Johnston: I am really excited to be talking today with Karen Watté. She's the Senior Director of Course Development and Training at the Ecampus Oregon State University. Welcome, Karen. How are you? [00:01:28] Karen Watté: I'm good. Thank you. [00:01:29] Jason Johnston: We, connected at OLC, Online Learning Consortium conference as part of their leadership day that they do ahead of time, and it was very fortuitous, I think, because we had just come through this summer where everybody was scrambling around AI, trying to figure out what to do, and while we were, trying to come up with some ideas and so on all of a sudden Oregon State had a full-fledged website built out with resources and stuff like that. And we're like, this is amazing. Over here at University of Tennessee and it was really well done. So, we got chatting about that at OLC and then we got chatting about being on the podcast. So, thanks for joining us. Cause I'm really excited about talking with you today. [00:02:10] Karen Watté: Yeah. Thanks for inviting me. Glad to be here. [00:02:12] Jason Johnston: Tell us a little bit about what you do at Oregon State and your role there. [00:02:17] Karen Watté: Yeah, as you mentioned, I'm the Senior Director of Course Development and Training with eCampus, and at Oregon State, eCampus is a centralized distance education unit, so we're serving all of the colleges within OSU. We have about 13,000 fully online students that we serve, and that's about one third of all the...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about the ethics of AI, including how ethics are formed and a few scenarios like if it’s ethical to use Midjourney. Listen in to find out who says no! See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Part 1Part 2Part 3It's Not Like a Calculator, so What Is the Relationship between Learners and Generative Artificial Intelligence?FAFSA Assistant GPT”Right Choices: Ethics of AI in Education”School Leader AI Bootcamp Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! Podcast Episode on AI Ethics - January 29, 2024 False Start [00:00:00] John Nash: Should we do the intro? [00:00:01] Jason Johnston: Yeah, let's do the intro. [00:00:03] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning Podcast. The Online Learning Podcast. Let's try it again. [00:00:12] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:14] Jason Johnston: That reminded me of do you ever watch The Office? My name is Kevin, because that's my name. My name is Kevin, because that's my name. So this is the Online Learning Podcast, the Online Learning Podcast. Episode [00:00:30] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:32] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:38] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but still a lot of it isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:52] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. Why don't we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:56] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:59] Jason Johnston: John, I've got some ethical questions for you. [00:01:02] John Nash: You do? [00:01:03] Jason Johnston: I've been wondering about the ethics of using AI for certain tasks. And maybe we'll get back to some specifics later on. But how do we form our ethics to begin with when it comes to AI and using AI these days when we think about education? [00:01:19] John Nash: I'm stealing your line from the intro. That is a great question. How do we form our ethics? I think they're formed by the values and the beliefs we bring to anything we do. You've had a longer background and thinking and considering about ethics, both in your professional life and your education life. What do you think about in terms of what sensibilities people bring to any task? [00:01:45] Jason Johnston: Yeah, I think so. I like where you started there because sometimes people start externally. They think ethics are clear, right? We're not supposed to steal people's cars and we're not supposed to, kill people when we walk in front of them or whatever. And, but it's not that clear when it comes to certain things. Certainly we can follow the ethics of a country or a city or institution, AI is something new. We haven't dealt with some of these questions before. And because of that, it does take some ethical reasoning. I happened to talk to a number of PhD students taking an instructional systems design course. I was asked to come in by one of our previous guests, Dr. Anilda Romero Hall, and to talk about ethics in instructional design. And where I started with that was this question of what do we bring to the table? If we can understand what forms our ethics, our beliefs, our positionality to begin with, then we can start to understand why we might have some knee jerk reactions to certain things. [00:02:49] Jason...

In this episode, John and Jason close off the 2023 Johns Hopkins University Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium with a live podcast recording, summarizing the day’s sessions and interacting with the audience around 6 Pillars of Humanizing Online Learning in the Second Half. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: Slide Deck (via Gamma.app)Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium10.1080/03075079.2019.1672647Peabody Institute“Path to Funding” guideAdvancing Diversity in AI Education and Research Symposium - StanfordTeaching from the Same Side Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:00] Introducer: Welcome everyone. It's been a great day and we have. A very fun way that we're going to be ending today. So this is our final session. I appreciate everyone greatly for attending our inaugural excellence and online teaching symposium and we're going to be ending our session with a live recorded podcast. We have Jason Johnston and John Nash, go ahead and take it away whenever you are ready. [00:00:33] John Nash: Hi, I'm John Nash and I'm here with Jason Johnston [00:00:36] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:44] John Nash: Yeah, and we are doing this podcast to let you all in on a conversation we've been having and to let you be part of the conversation that we are having about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but there's still quite a ways to go. What are we going to do to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:01:05] Jason Johnston: That's a great question. How about we make a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:10] John Nash: That sounds great. What do you want to talk about? [00:01:13] Jason Johnston: Today I think it'd be great to continue our theme of how to humanize online learning in the second half and to do it with a number of our friends here. So today we want to not only do a podcast, but do a session here at the Johns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching Symposium, the first ever. Is this right, Olysha? We're on the first ever. [00:01:36] Olysha Magruder: That's correct. This is the inaugural symposium. So you're a part of the new wave. [00:01:43] Jason Johnston: We're so glad to be here. Thank you for the invitation. And this is exciting that we're here and we're doing a live session where we are recording. And we had the auspicious and difficult task of trying to bring a little summary to this day. It's been a good day, hasn't it, John? [00:02:01] John Nash: Yeah, it's been amazing. We've been in every session that we could attend. We split up and took some notes along the way about what the overarching themes were and where we see some opportunity, but we're so excited to see what you all think as well and what you took away. [00:02:17] Jason Johnston: Yeah, so here's how we are planning to proceed in the next little bit here. Our ideal as we were looking at the day is to try to give us some guidelines to talk about. We tried to pull a few quotes. We have a A little bit of an outline that will guide us, but first we thought we should probably introduce ourselves. John, you wanna go first? [00:02:41] John Nash: Yeah, sure. I'm John Nash. I am an associate professor at the University of Kentucky in the Department of Educational Leadership Studies, where I'm also the Director of graduate studies. We are an all online. Department and a graduate program offering master's and the doctorate at the EDD and PhD level, and I'm also the director of...

In this episode, John and Jason have a “year in review” conversation with their podcast superfriends about why they podcast, the impact of artificial intelligence on education, the importance of human interaction in learning, and their collective efforts in forming a community of education podcasters. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too) Links and Resources: Amanda Bickerstaff AI In Education Year 1 Timeline (on LinkedIn)Course Stories, Season 4, Episode 2: The AI Whisperer: Faculty and Students on ChatGPT DialoguesPlanet Money Podcast: Can ChatGPT write a podcast episode? Can AI take our jobs?A More Beautiful Question: The Power of Inquiry to Spark Breakthrough IdeasRequest to join the Network of Education Podcasters on LinkedInASU Academic Dishonesty Risk Reduction GuideASU Online Eventbrite Webinars Here’s a link to our original Superfriends episode: https://www.onlinelearningpodcast.com/e/ep-10-podcast-super-friends-crossover-episode-at-olc-innovate-23/ Our Podcast Superfriends: Josh Reppun What School Could be https://whatschoolcouldbe.org/ Bio: ormer chef, hotel manager and history teacher, Josh Reppun is the founder of Plexus Education, LLC, dba as Most Likely to Succeed in Hawai’i, a “movement” founded by extraordinary people dedicated to developing global public, private and charter school conversations around Ted Dintersmith’s film, Most Likely to Succeed and his book, What School Could Be. Josh is also the founder of Josh Reppun Productions. He is the host of the What School Could Be Podcast and the producer of two films: Ka Helena Aʻo: The Learning Walk and The Innovation Playlist, both about creative, imaginative and innovative educators and education leaders. Josh’s podcast, edited by the talented Evan Kurohara, with music by Michael Sloan, has now reached nearly 80,000 downloads in over 100 countries. Course Stories (from EdPlus at ASU) https://teachonline.asu.edu/podcast/course-stories/ Mary Loder Mary Loder is an Online Learning Manager at EdPlus, supporting Faculty professional development and training along with managing special projects in a variety of disciplines. She is also co-creator and co-host of Course Stories, a podcast where an array of course design stories are told alongside other designers and faculty from Arizona State University. Ricardo Leon Ricardo Leon is a Media Developer Sr for EdPlus and is a co-creator and co-host of Course Stories. He has developed a number of other podcasts and various other forms of instructional media. Tom Pantazes ODLI On Air Tom Pantazes, Ed.D. is an Instructional Designer with the Teaching & Learning Center at West Chester University who loves helping instructors integrate technology and robust learning pedagogy. His research interests include digital instructional video, extended reality, content interactivity, and simulations. If he is not cheering on Philly sports teams, camping or building Legos, you can catch him as a cohost of the ODLI on Air podcast. Specific Episodes: Generative AI in teaching Ram Poll gauging student opinions Lee Skallerup Bessette on LinkedIn All the Things ADHD Podcast https://allthethingsadhd.com/ Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! EP 22 - Podcast Super Friends II Intro [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Questions? Anyone? [00:00:02] John Nash: They're podcasters. They don't talk. [00:00:06] Ricardo Leon: We listen. [00:00:07] Mary Loder: That's right, intently. [00:00:09] Jason Johnston: That's right. It's going to be all questions, actually. The whole podcast is people asking each other questions. Start of...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about dangers and opportunities in the second half of online life, from their Online Learning Consortium (OLC) 2023 presentation and “live off the OLC floor” interviews. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: See slides from the full presentation hereMore about OLC here Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] John Nash: I took a class from a professional in San Francisco for voice acting. I thought I wanted to be a voice actor. So yeah, that [00:00:07] Jason Johnston: and here you are doing a podcast. You basically are a voice actor, except you happen to be acting like John [00:00:13] John Nash: Like John Nash, not like Barney the dinosaur, or doing my Louis Armstrong imitation or something like that. Start of Episode [00:00:20] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:23] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:28] John Nash: Yeah. And we are doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great. And some of it is, but, a lot still isn't. And so how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:00:43] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:47] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: So John, would you call yourself a techno? optimist or a techno pessimist? Do you think we're, all of this is winding up into a better world? Or is technology taking us down this path of doomsday and destruction? [00:01:06] John Nash: If the left side is doomsday and destruction and the right side is optimism and happiness, I'm a cautious optimist. I'm, I think I'm a little bit to the right of a cautious optimist. I'm no Mark Andreessen who's recently come out with a tech manifesto suggesting that anybody who doesn't believe the bros in Silicon Valley can fix everything is crazy. I'm not like that at all. I do worry about my own critical thinking around technology and how it may be exacerbating environmental problems and social problems. Because I love playing with these tools so much, I think I'm clouded a little at times, but I'm, yeah , I'm right of center on if being right is optimistic I'm over there. [00:01:55] Jason Johnston: Yeah, I think I'm, find myself in the same space, not because I necessarily have a lot of optimism around technology. I do think it's pretty consumer driven and profit driven. And so that doesn't build in me a lot of optimism for its final outcome. However, I have an optimistic view of humanity, one that we typically work together towards our own survival when it comes down to it, and that there are a lot more good people in this world than bad people. And I think that maybe I'm an idealist and that I think the good will win out over, but not because I believe technology is going to save us by any means, but because there are a Usually enough good people that are helping to drive technology that I think we'll get to a better place. [00:02:46] John Nash: Yes. Yes, I think that's well put. I think I'm in the same space you are because we're both educators and we surround ourselves with other educators who are interested in applying the use of technology to help learners achieve their goals. I'm not on the side of thinking "the technology we need to have in place to save the world is that which puts billionaires in...

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Olysha Magruder about the future of online education, a three-pronged approach to faculty development including JHU’s Coursera MOOC Course, and time boxing to help achieve successful outcomes. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - *Online Learning Podcast (Also feel free to connect with John and Jason at LinkedIn too)* Links and Resources: can be found here at LinkedInExcellence in Online Teaching Coursera CourseJohns Hopkins Excellence in Online Teaching SymposiumBeth McMurtrie on Teaching: What happens to teaching after Covid? Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Any other questions for us before we get rolling? We'll do our normal kind of intro here, and then we'll get into the conversation. [00:00:07] Olysha Magruder: No, no questions. I hope I don't sound too goofy, but... [00:00:10] John Nash: No, we like goofy. [00:00:11] Jason Johnston: Yeah, you'll fit right in! . We decided on the front end. We're just going to let it roll in that way. And I feel like john people have appreciated that [00:00:18] John Nash: I even laugh at our own dumb intros because it's just, but yeah, we're not too stiff about it, but we have a serious topic here, but yeah, we're still humans. Start of Episode [00:00:27] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:30] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is online learning in the second half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:35] John Nash: Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but a lot still isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:49] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:54] John Nash: I agree. Let's do a podcast and talk about it right now. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:00] Jason Johnston: Wait, we are doing a podcast to talk about it. That's the weird thing about our intro. We're already doing a podcast [00:01:05] John Nash: Yeah. It's very meta. [00:01:07] Jason Johnston: a little meta that way. Yeah. Yeah today we are going to talk with Alicia Magruder. Dr. Alicia Magruder from John Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering. [00:01:22] Olysha Magruder: Hello, Alicia here. [00:01:25] Jason Johnston: Did I say all that right? [00:01:27] Olysha Magruder: tHere is one funny thing about the name of my university, which is it's named after somebody. who has a weird first name, and it's Johns. That was his name. It's very common to say John because it feels weird to say Johns, and in fact, when I originally applied for my position in my cover letter, I also said John. [00:01:47] Jason Johnston: Oh boy. [00:01:48] Olysha Magruder: I learned very quickly that, oops, it's a weird name, Johns Hopkins, but everything else, yes. [00:01:53] Jason Johnston: I'm glad you, you made it through that first that first test and they were kind to you, somebody not too long ago spelled Tennessee wrong on a cover letter, hard one to look over, easy to do though, easy to do, but also a little hard to look over sometimes. Yeah nice to have you here. So Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering. [00:02:14] Olysha Magruder: Yes, that's right. Whiting School of Engineering. [00:02:17] Jason Johnston: Yeah. And tell us about what you do there. [00:02:21] Olysha Magruder: So I am the interim assistant dean of learning design and innovation, which is a somewhat new position not on the team, but for me, but I lead the learning design team...

In this episode, John and Jason engage in a discussion with Dr. Michelle Ament about the impact of AI on education, its role in reducing transactional tasks for educators, the significance of human intelligence and soft skills in an AI-driven world, how AI can be leveraged in professional development, and the potential future of AI-integrated, relationship-based classroom environments tailored to individual student needs. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Links and Resources: ProSolveMichelle Ament on LinkedInJason's AI 4 Language Translation VideoAn intro to the Zone of Proximal Development Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! False Start [00:00:00] Michelle Ament: Thank you for having me this morning. I'm so looking forward to this conversation. [00:00:04] Jason Johnston: Yeah, and we just wanted to get started just to understand a little bit about you and your background, where you've come from. Currently, you're a chief academic officer. And John Deletes Jason's Notes [00:00:14] John Nash: Oh, I did that, didn't I? [00:00:16] Jason Johnston: John just deleted all my notes. [00:00:19] John Nash: No, I didn't. I moved my notes and put them below yours. [00:00:25] Jason Johnston: I'll try again. [00:00:28] John Nash: Podcasting at its best. [00:00:31] Michelle Ament: This is fun. Start Intro [00:00:33] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:37] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:42] John Nash: Yes, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, Online learning's had its chance to be great, and a lot of it is, but there's still a bit that isn't. And how are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:58] Jason Johnston: And that's a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:03] John Nash: I love that. Perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:06] Jason Johnston: I would love to talk about online learning. How does that sound as a theme, overall theme, for our conversation today? But more specifically, I would love to talk with, we've got a guest with us, Dr. Michelle Ament. Welcome, Michelle. [00:01:21] Michelle Ament: Good morning. [00:01:23] Jason Johnston: How are you? [00:01:24] Michelle Ament: I'm doing great. Thank you for having me this morning. I'm so looking forward to this conversation. [00:01:30] Jason Johnston: We're really looking forward to having you with us. We just wanted to get started just to understand a little bit about you and your background, you're currently, the chief learning officer you've had a background in personalized learning technology and learning curriculum and design fifth grade teacher, one of my question for you today Michelle is how did you get to where you are today? [00:01:51] Michelle Ament: Great question. I think about why, where I, how I got to where I am today is I love the design of learning. So when I went into teaching, I was a classroom teacher. I've been in education 25 years. And like you said, I started in fifth grade and was an elementary teacher. And what I loved about teaching first was the daily interaction with kids, of course, but the design of learning. So it was all about, Yeah. learning, figuring out what learners needed, what were some of their strengths, what were some of their areas of growth, and then figuring out how to design really engaging learning. And so in the classroom, that's what fueled me every day. It was like a problem to solve. How could I design something that was really relevant, highly engaging? And authentic for kids. And then I went on...

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Brandeis Marshall about making online assignments Un-AIable, understanding data science, concerns & opportunities of using AI in the classroom, and the new digital AI divide. See complete notes and transcripts at www.onlinelearningpodcast.com Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Dr. Brandeis Marshall Links and Resources: Dr. Brandeis Marshall’s WebsiteWhat’s Un-AIable by Dr. Brandeis Marshall on MediumData Conscience: Algorithmic Siege on our HumanityWaPo article on Harriet Tubman and Khan AcademyRebel Tech Newsletter Other Reading / Resources: These Women Tried to Warn Us About AIOn the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big? Dr. Brandeis Marshall Bio: Brandeis Marshall is Founder and CEO of DataedX Group, a data ethics learning and development agency for educators, scholars and practitioners to counteract automated oppression efforts with culturally-responsive instruction and strategies. Trained as a computer scientist and as a former college professor, Brandeis teaches, speaks and writes about the racial, gender, socioeconomic and socio-technical impact of data operations on technology and society. She wrote Data Conscience: Algorithmic Siege on our Humanity (Wiley, 2022) as a counter-argument reference for tech’s move fast and break things philosophy. She pinpoints, guides and recommends paths to moving slower and building more responsible human-centered AI approaches. Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! Intro [00:00:00] Jason: Some banter on the front end. [00:00:02] Brandeis: Oh, I'm great at banter. [00:00:03] Jason: Oh, good. [00:00:04] Brandeis: I've been teaching for 23 years, so you have to have that conversation with the students before classes begin. [00:00:13] Jason: If you like banter, then you've come to the right place because This podcast is mostly banter [00:00:18] John: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:21] Jason: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:27] John: Yeah, and we are doing this podcast to let you all in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and some of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. So how are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:43] Jason: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:47] John: I love that idea. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:50] Jason: um, to talk with you, of like usual, [00:00:53] John: That's overrated, but that's [00:00:54] Jason: but I would also love to talk to you. a very special guest with us, Dr. Brandeis Marshall. Welcome. [00:01:01] Brandeis: Thank you both for having me. [00:01:03] Jason: And is it okay if we call you Brandeis? [00:01:05] Brandeis: Yes, feel free to [00:01:06] Jason: Okay. Thank you. It's so great to have you here. And Brandeis, I'd love for you to introduce yourself, but just in, in general she's the founder, CEO of Data edX Group, a data ethics learning and development for educators. scholars and practitioners to counteract automated oppression efforts with culturally responsive instruction and strategies. Not only that, but she has a background in education. And we'd love to talk to you a little bit about that. What would you like to say about yourself here today? [00:01:40] Brandeis: listen. I am an educator, a data person. Like I think everyone is at this point in this age of AI and whatnot what, and what it isn't and what it is. And yeah, I'm also just, I just lead black women in data as well, which is really focused on increasing the number of black women in the data industry. So that's all I want to say about myself. I have...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about current reading, recent seminars, and their upcoming OLC Accelerate Conference (2023) presentation in Washington, DC Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: The Renée Ballard seriesKay Scarpetta series The WhistlerThe Judges ListEverything is FigureaboutableReimagining online assignments with and because of AIthe promise of AI and whether it can democratize innovation or dilute quality. EXPLORING THE IMPACT OF AI ON STUDENT CONNECTION AND BELONGING IN EDUCATIONONLINE LEARNING IN THE SECOND HALF: TURNING DANGERS INTO OPPORTUNITIESJohnJason Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:00] John Nash: Do you smile when you talk? Did you know when you smile while you talk, it actually makes you sound like you're like. funny. It works. [00:00:06] Jason Johnston: that's what they, that's what they told us to do in telemarketing. [00:00:09] John Nash: That's right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:14] Jason Johnston: Now I'm laughing. I can't. Okay, I'll try it again. Intro [00:00:19] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. Yeah, we're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last couple of years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great and a lot of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. How are we going to get to the next stage, Jason? [00:00:42] Jason Johnston: That's a great question. And I've got an idea. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:48] John Nash: I love that idea. Let's do it right now. [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: good. Today, I wondered if we could talk just a little bit about the road behind, the road ahead, what we've been doing lately what we will be doing next, we've got some exciting events that we're doing together in the next little bit. [00:01:03] John Nash: We do. We do. [00:01:04] Jason Johnston: First I was wondering about have you been reading anything these days, John? [00:01:09] John Nash: I've been reading my usual kinds of journal articles and other things , but 2023 has been a little different for me in terms of the topic of reading because the funniest thing happened to me in January of this year. I started reading electively non academic. books, novels. And I don't know how it happened, but I just did. I was I was on a work trip to Honolulu and I found, I discovered that you can check out books from your public library and put them on your Kindle. I didn't know about Libby, the app Libby. [00:01:45] Jason Johnston: Libby's amazing. [00:01:47] John Nash: Yeah, it's amazing. I'm running around my friend's house in Honolulu going, Hey, do you know you can do this? As if, just split the atom or something. And yeah. And so I've been reading I read a bunch of Michael Connolly novels. About a female detective in Los Angeles contemporary of Bosch's, and I liked those a lot, and now I'm on like book 12 of the novels about Kay Scarpetta, the fictional and famous Virginia chief medical examiner it's a longstanding series written by Patricia Cornwell. [00:02:20] Jason Johnston: Is this like a secret desire to be a detective and solve crimes for a [00:02:24] John Nash: Yeah, I don't know, but I do, I'm drawn to these novels because I don't know, I guess I like the technical aspects of these novels with Kay Scarpetta as the protagonist, because they do get pretty technical about some medical issues related to examining the dead and help having the dead speak. Actually, there's a UT Knoxville tie in, they talk about the body farm a lot in these novels. Yeah. And for those who may not know the body farm is the outdoor laboratory outside University of Tennessee, Knoxville, where bodies decompose and they study them. [00:02:57] Jason...

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Kristen DiCerbo about how Khamigo was born, how it works, and how it might help transform and humanize online learning. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: Kristen DiCerboCheck out the Khanmigo pageKhan Academy / Canvas Instructure Press ReleaseVideo from InstructureconMore information about the ICAP Framework Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! Pre-Banter [00:00:00] Jason Johnston: Was Khanmigo able to join us on the call today? [00:00:04] Kristen DiCerbo: Khanmigo right now does not have text to speech, so we'll not be on the podcast. [00:00:09] Jason Johnston: All right, probably too busy. There's a lot of people to support out there. And they're a bit of a rock star. So they're probably at the White House or something [00:00:17] Kristen DiCerbo: Most likely, yeah exactly. Some world leaders. Yes. [00:00:20] Jason Johnston: Leaders guiding policy across G20 or something like that. [00:00:25] Kristen DiCerbo: yeah, exactly. Start [00:00:26] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:29] Jason Johnston: Hey John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the Online Learning Podcast. [00:00:34] John Nash: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, but a lot of it still isn't. And so how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: That's great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:54] John Nash: Perfect, what do you want to talk about today? [00:00:58] Jason Johnston: Well, I'm very excited about our guest today. We're going to be talking with Dr. Kristin DeCerbo, the Chief Learning Officer at Khan Academy. Welcome Dr. How are you? [00:01:11] Kristen DiCerbo: Good, good. And please call me Kristen. It's great to be here today. [00:01:14] Jason Johnston: Well, it is great to have you here. And we just wanted to start off by just getting to know you just a little bit. Tell us a little bit about your current role at Khan Academy. [00:01:25] Kristen DiCerbo: Yeah, so a chief learning officer can mean lots of different things and lots of different organizations. So, At Khan Academy, I lead our content team, our product management team, our design team, and our community support team. So most of what you see, on the Khan Academy site is built and created by a lot of the folks that are on my team. And I do not lead the engineers, they're a whole [00:01:51] Jason Johnston: Okay. That's good. [00:01:52] Kristen DiCerbo: group, not them. But I come from an educational psychology background. So my PhD is in educational psychology, and so I don't have the traditional kind of product background that some educational technology folks who lead those kinds of teams do. And instead, I bring a lot of, you know, experience and insight about how people learn. And we try to build that into then the articles, the exercises, the videos, and all of the experiences students have on the site. [00:02:24] Jason Johnston: And so, you mentioned about your education, you've got a PhD in educational psychology. Is that what you said? [00:02:30] Kristen DiCerbo: Yes. I actually thought when I went to grad school that I was going to be a school psychologist. And so did a research practitioner program where I was doing. All of the work and training to be a school psychologist and doing all of the work on how you diagnose learning difficulties and all of that and did a whole bunch of research and kind of fell in love with that side of things too. But then did end up being a school psychologist in a school in Arizona where I live. One of the schools I worked at...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about a letter for teachers sincerely from ChatGPT. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: Click here to read the full letter Ethan Mollick on LinkedInTeaching with AI recommendations from OpenAIAI Educational Video Series from the Warton School Transcript We use a combination of computer-generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:00] John Nash: That's what they've done. That's Conamigo's Other value proposition. You can forget using a zillion AI tools. Hey, now I only pay for [00:00:08] Clicking: two, [00:00:10] Jason Johnston: right? Me too. Now [00:00:13] John Nash: three now, actually three. I paid for three. I went to Claude. I paid for Claude last night. And Oh, you did. Yeah, I decided to. Oh, now you're on to four [00:00:21] Jason Johnston: then. What's the fourth? Oh, I thought maybe you had mid journey. Oh yeah, I do. Shoot. Huh. [00:00:28] John Nash: Yeah. Yeah. I pay for mid journey. Chat [00:00:31] Jason Johnston: for Conmigo mid journey. , it's like streaming services. It all started with Netflix. It was like, ah, this is great. I cut the cable. Now I only have Netflix. And now I've got [00:00:43] John Nash: six of them. Intro [00:00:44] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:47] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey, everyone. And this is Online Learning in the Second Half, the online learning podcast. [00:00:52] John Nash: Yeah, we are doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the last two and a half years about online education. Look, online learning's had its chance to be great, and much of it is, but there's still some that isn't. And how are we going to get to the next stage? [00:01:09] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:01:13] John Nash: That's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:01:17] Jason Johnston: I would love to talk about Back to School, Part Two. It sounds a little bit like an 80s comedy movie or something. Back to School, Part Two. [00:01:25] John Nash: That's right, except Rodney Dangerfield's not in it. [00:01:27] Jason Johnston: I'm glad you got the reference exactly. No, no respect here comes to Dangerfield but yeah, let's talk about Back to School, Part Two. I wanted to throw out one thing to you here. So I asked the chat, GPT to write a letter to teachers for this fall. What advice ChatGPT would you give. Teachers this fall as they, they enter the new school year. And so I wanted to read this letter from ChatGPT okay. And wanted to get you to respond from a professor teacher angle to see what you what you think of this. So here it is. I don't know. What's a ChatGPT voice? I'll just use my normal voice, so I think it might be too much. It's [00:02:13] John Nash: you're chat [00:02:13] Jason Johnston: G p t, Jason, but it feels sincere, so I'll use a sincere voice. Sure. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Letter: Dear Teacher [00:02:19] Jason Johnston: Dear Teacher, I hope this message finds you well. As an AI language model, I wanna share three ways in which I can contribute to your classroom experience. Firstly, I can help you create engaging lesson plans, offering diverse content, ideas and activities tailored to your students' needs and learning styles. Secondly, I can assist in generating interactive assignments and assessments, fostering a dynamic learning environment that encourages student participation. Lastly, I can provide additional explanations and resources to support struggling students and enhance their understanding of challenging concepts. To make the most of our collaboration. I suggest utilizing me as a versatile tool for creativity, interactivity, and personalized student support. Sincerely chat. G B T. [00:03:13] John Nash: I think that's, I think...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about going back to school, chat about how conversations have shifted to AI this year, ideate around making assignments unAI-able, and briefly rant about how AI detectors don’t work. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: UnAI-ablehttps://www.linkedin.com/in/brandeis-marshall/Prove me wrong!EdUP Podcast with Jason Guyla and Wilson Tsu of PowerNotes Transcript We use a combination of computer generated transcriptions and human editing. Please check with the recorded file before quoting anything. Please check with us if you have any questions! [00:00:00] John Nash: You ask me like, what am I doing differently now, this year is I'm abandoning decade longs teaching strategies that I've used in online courses. [00:00:08] Jason Johnston: That's impressive, John, that you're, that you're changing, [00:00:14] John Nash: I'm changing Intro [00:00:15] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:18] Jason Johnston: Hey John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the second half, the Online Learning podcast. Yes. [00:00:24] John Nash: We are doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last, now two and a half years about online education. Look online learning has had its chance to be great and a lot of it is, and there's still a lot that isn't. And so I'm wondering how can we get to the next stage? What do you think? [00:00:44] Jason Johnston: Let's do a podcast and talk about it. What do you think? I think [00:00:49] John Nash: that's great. What do you want to talk about today? Episode [00:00:52] Jason Johnston: I would love to talk about back to school. Here we are coming back to school. The students are returning either virtually or in person. Parking is an issue again as and I'm assuming it's the same at your institution as it is Absolutely. At mine. Are you still biking to work? I am. [00:01:10] John Nash: Oh, good for you. Yes. Yeah, on an e-bike. So it's a lovely little ride and so I, I do pedal, but I probably don't pedal as hard as I could. Because it's too alluring and fun to push the little electric accelerator lever and just go. [00:01:26] Jason Johnston: Technology enhanced commuting. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's good. You're not dealing with the same kind of parking issues. I'm still, I'm back in, I'm still back in 2023, where we used to use fossil fueled driven cars and look for parking spaces among everybody else. [00:01:46] John Nash: Yeah. Which my professor at the University of Wisconsin noted that the parking permit is really just a hunting license. [00:01:54] Jason Johnston: That's exactly it. Yeah. Yeah. I had to go way out into the woods earlier this week in order to get myself and get myself my parking space. It's good. Here we are. Back at school. But but online does make it a little easier to park if everybody was online. As we're approaching back to school, John maybe, maybe there's some people that are joining us kind of partway through this podcast and haven't joined us from the beginning. But as a little bit of an introduction I'm an administrator at a large SEC school in Tennessee. I'm the executive director of online learning and course production. And so my big thing is not teaching in the classroom, but helping instructors develop courses for the classroom, for the online classroom, and as well as supporting instructors on how to teach online. So that's kind of what my day-to-day is about. How about you, John? What do you do day to day these days? [00:02:55] John Nash: Day-to-day, I'm an associate professor of educational leadership studies in a large SEC institution in Kentucky. Smart listeners can just figure out where we work. And then I am the Director of graduate studies in the same department. And we are on all online instruction department. So I'm teaching online. I'm helping advise students who are in an online programs master's education specialist doctoral...

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Enilda Romero-Hall about applying feminist pedagogies to online classes, humanizing large online classes, ungrading, and why we love and hate discussion boards. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Connect with Dr. Romero-Hall: https://www.enildaromero.net/https://www.linkedin.com/in/eromerohall/https://twitter.com/eromerohall Resources: Susan Blum on UngradingFlip - Free Video Discussion from Microsoft Guest Bio: Dr. Enilda Romero-Hall, is an award-winning scholar, Associate Professor, and Coordinator of the Learning, Design, and Technology Ph.D. program at The University of Tennessee Knoxville. Dr. Remero-Hall also serves as the Program Chair for the AERA SIG Instructional Technology and Advising Editor to the Feminist Pedagogy for Online Teaching digital guide. In my research, I am interested in the design and development of interactive multimedia, faculty and learners’ digital literacy, and networked learning in online social communities. Other research areas include innovative research methodologies; culture, technology, and education; and feminist pedagogies. Transcript (Please note - we rely on computer-generated transcriptions. If quoting, please check the original recording for accuracy) [00:00:00] Enilda Romera-Hall: I'm curious to know what the listeners are going to say, what the comments are going to be. Did we say anything too controversial? I think that we need to have more conversations about online learning because there is a lot happening in this space. And yeah, it just keeps changing and evolving and the more conversations we have, the more we can brainstorm and think of ideas to put on the world. Intro [00:00:26] John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Johnston. [00:00:28] Jason Johnston: Hey, John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the second half, the Online Learning podcast. [00:00:34] John Nash: Yeah. We're doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation that we've been having for the last two years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great, and a lot of it is, but a lot of it isn't. So how are we gonna get to the next stage? [00:00:50] Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we do a podcast and talk about it? [00:00:55] John Nash: Yes, that's perfect. What do you want to talk about today? [00:00:58] Jason Johnston: Today, it's not just what, but it's what with whom. Nice. Today really excited to have Dr. Enilda Romero Hall with us to talk with us. Welcome Enilda. [00:01:10] Enilda Romera-Hall: Hi. Thank you for having me here today. I appreciate it. [00:01:14] Jason Johnston: Yeah. Dr. Romero Hall is a colleague here at the University of Tennessee. She's an associate professor in learning design and technology program. And she also I think one of the things that connected us, obviously the whole instructional design thing. So right away when Enilda came, we also started around the same time. So it was easy to, easy to make friends when you don't, when you don't know anybody. But also the kind of research that Enilda does is significant and aspects of the things that we've been talking about John, but also from some different perspectives as well that we don't have. And so I just really appreciate Enilda, you taking the time to talk with us [00:01:58] Enilda Romera-Hall: today. Yeah, it's great to be here. I love talking about online learning. It's one of my areas of interest. And I was actually talking to a colleague who was visiting University of Tennessee Knoxville recently, and he was asking me, how's it going? Have you met people here? Have you met any collaborators? And I was telling him that I was coming into my first year and I was really wanting to keep a low profile. And I said, then I started telling people that I was doing research on online learning and that was just impossible. Yes. But it's been great. I've connected with the online learning...

In this episode, John and Jason talk with Dr. Michelle Miller about how and if technology rewires the brain, artificial intelligence, online learning discussion boards, and her new book “Remembering and Forgetting in the Age of Technology: Teaching, Learning, and the Science of Memory in a Wired World.” Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: Michelle Miller’s WebsiteSubscribe to Dr. Miller’s Substack Newsletter hereMichelle Miller at LinkedInMinds OnlineRemembering and Forgetting in the Age of Technology: Teaching, Learning, and the Science of Memory in a Wired WorldSmall Teaching Guest Bio: Dr. Michelle Miller is the author of Minds Online: Teaching Effectively with Technology (Harvard University Press, 2014). Her latest book is Remembering and Forgetting in the Age of Technology: Teaching, Learning, and the Science of Memory in a Wired World, coming out in 2022 with West Virginia University Press. Dr. Miller is a Professor of Psychological Sciences and President’s Distinguished Teaching Fellow at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Arizona. She completed her Ph.D. in cognitive psychology and behavioral neuroscience at the University of California, Los Angeles, and currently writes, teaches, and speaks about maximizing learning in today’s technology-saturated and rapidly-changing world. Transcript EP 12 - Michelle Miller final Jason Johnston: [00:00:00] Coffee Banter Jason Johnston: My first question is, do you have a morning drink of choice? Michelle Miller: Let's see. I drank about a quart of coffee with a lot of sugar. And as a cognitive psychologist too, I know that caffeine is actually , pretty good for focus and doesn't have too many downsides until we get into the afternoon. Jason Johnston: And I love those studies, you know, if I'm biased in any way in terms of my research, it is definitely with the coffee studies, because I completely ignore it has a negative title. I'm not interested in that kind of negativity in my life now. The positive ones, longevity increasing productivity. Increasing awareness. I love those coffee studies. Those are some of my favorites. Michelle Miller: Oh, absolutely. That's a little confirmation bias before breakfast. I know, right? Right. Harmless, right. Intro John Nash: I'm John Nash here with Jason Jason Johnston: Johnston. Hey John. Hey everyone. And this is Online Learning in the second half the Online Learning podcast. John Nash: Yeah. We are doing this podcast to let you in on a conversation we've been having for the [00:01:00] last two years about online education. Look, online learning has had its chance to be great and some of it is, a lot of it still isn't. And so how are we gonna get to the next stage? Jason Johnston: That is a great question. How about we make a podcast and talk about it? John Nash: I think that's a great idea. What do you want to talk about today? Jason Johnston: Today's an exciting day, John. It's not just about what it's with whom. So we have with us today, Dr. Michelle Miller. And Michelle is the author of a number of books as well as a professor of psychological sciences at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Arizona. Welcome, Michelle. Michelle Miller: Hi. Thank you. Thanks so much. It's great to be here today. Conversation Jason Johnston: What else would you like our listening audience to know about you on the front end as we're talking? Michelle Miller: Let's see. So I started out really in my career, if I could just hear a little bit of my origin story for those who haven't heard it [00:02:00] yet. Absolutely. You know, I started out in my graduate career. Studying just really kind of core topics in cognitive science and just really theoretical stuff. So working memory, language, attention and so on, and how all those things come together. And got to do a great postdoc at Rice University, exploring what were then some very new technologies for functional brain imaging and so on. And it started...

In this episode, John and Jason talk about their OLC Innovate 2023 Design Thinking workshop which asked the question: How Might we Humanize Online Learning? Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Resources: The JumpPage with the results of the design thinking session at OLChttps://brocansky.com/ https://cie.asu.edu/ojs/index.php/cieatasu/article/view/1905Humanizing the Online ClassroomPrinciples of Effective Teaching in the Online ClassroomPedagogy of the OppressedA Critical Approach to Humanizing Pedagogies in Online Teaching and LearninOne article discussing Transactional Distance TheoryHumanizing online MOOC experiences And every educator should pick up John Nash’s Book: Design Thinking in Schools: A Leader’s Guide to Collaborating for Improvement

In this episode, John and Jason record with podcasting friends from ASU and West Chester University at OLC Innovate 2023 to talk about (what else) podcasting and humanizing online education in the second half. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Podcast Super-friends Links: Course Stories Podcast at ASUCourse Stories, Episode #4: Don’t Fret DesignODLI On Air at West Chester University Resources: - The Thin Book of Trust: An Essential Primer for Building Trust at Work Guest Bios:

In this episode, John and Jason walk the vendor floor at the OLC Innovate Conference in Nashville, TN - April 18-21, 2023 and ask the vendors how their product is helping to humanize online education. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Vendors we talked with: UWillInstructureProctorioPowerNotesD2L - BrightspaceD2L Teaching & Learning Studio PodcastHarmonizeInScribe Join us in the next episode, EP 10, for a live OLC Podcast Superfriends Crossover Episode Extravaganza! And then in EP 11 we will wrap up our OLC Design Thinking Workshop on Humanizing Online Education.

In this episode, John and Jason talk about John’s use of AI in his doctoral mentoring and personal research, if prompt engineering will be a job, comparing large language models, detecting AI writing, and if AI can create a podcast theme song. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast AI Large Language Models to Test ChatGPTPoe.comBing ChatGoogle Bard AI in Research Tools https://www.researchrabbit.ai/https://elicit.org/https://consensus.app/ AI Detection Tools https://www.zerogpt.com/https://gptzero.me/ Links and Resources: How to cite ChatGPT in APAThe Various AI Generated Podcast Theme songs Google doc Research Papers: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.10130.pdfhttps://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12003.pdf Opening theme music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License. Closing theme music: Eye of the Learner - composed and arranged by Jason Johnston

In this episode, John and Jason talk about Jason’s recent bout with AI fever and what the rapid development of AI means for online education. Join Our LinkedIn Group - Online Learning Podcast Links and Resources: the Bing Who Loved Mehttps://scale.com/blog/chatgpt-vs-claudeQ*Bert historyfun free web playable version here AI Release Timeline Research Papers https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12003.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.10130.pdf Theme Music: Pumped by RoccoW is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial License.