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Alternative mental health for wildland firefighters


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Alternative mental health for wildland firefighters








Forgiveness Gratitude and Love with Kevin Conley jr

I interview Kevin Conley Jr., @backcountryninjas, the author of Above the Ashes. The book, the man, the legend, graces us with his presence, and we go deep into his journey across the southern tier on his bike with his dog rocky. Kevin shares wisdom from his voyage of forgiveness, gratitude, and love.⁠ ⁠ Kevin is an open book, and we talk in-depth about the night that he wanted to end it all and what changed his mind. Kevin shares the dark, the ugly, and the love he found on his journey. We discuss the synchronicities that followed him across the country, including a group of Apache natives singing him a sacred song at a truck stop. Then, of course, we talked about Rocky and how he was Kevin's anchor and support companion that made it all possible. ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ Kevin speaks his truth and will inspire you to share your challenges with others too. The more we talk about mental health in wildland fire, the more lives we save from suicide. You need to listen to this episode if you are a wildland firefighter struggling with mental health this off-season.⁠ ⁠ Listen to the episode, link in the bio, or find the Conscious Fire Culture podcast on all the apps. ⁠ ⁠ If you don't have a copy of the book yet, go to ⁠ and get your copy. or go to @backcountryninjas


The Mystic Danny Verdad

I interview a true mystic! This episode is so special because this may be Danny's one and only appearance. I interview our sacrament practitioner Danny Verdad. We talk about his upbringing in traditional ways on the mountain in a small village in central Mexico. The benefits of retreat for wildland firefighters and why you should or shouldn't come. Danny speaks about how the retreat is not about changing or losing your identity but helping your soul remember the truth about love. We explore deep philosophical questions and different perspectives of humanity. And every time I speak to Danny, I learn something new and see him for what he is. A true mystic that has changed my life in so many beautiful ways. Don't miss this episode. Listening to Danny speak is always a blessing. LINKS


Entheogens, Sound, NLP and Alternative Healing

Join me, Lisset, and Coco as we talk about merging entheogen therapy, sound, NLP, and Huna. We dive deep into the sacred ancestral healing sacraments, and how they shut down the default mode network, so the only thing left in your brain is love. When you have a strong intention and a container for healing, the entheogens help you relabel all of the limiting beliefs and negative emotions from a place of love. When you relabel an idea, you change the meaning, which means you have a new...


Destiny DeHaven: The Pattern Breaker and BS Detector

Today we have Destiny DeHaven, a pattern breaker, professional bull shit detector, speaker and SRT (subconscious response therapy), and NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) practitioner. We dive into what NLP is and how neurons fire. We discuss how you can rewire a neurological pattern and how it can benefit you. We talk about how to utilize emotions like anger and recognize how they can hurt or help you. Understand how your “bullshit” can hold trauma in your body and how the energy from emotions is held in your body after an event that may have been traumatic. Destiny runs Anne through an incredible example of her SRT process and we work through tough emotions live! Follow along in the process and see if you can move through a situation in your life. Contact Destiny if you’re interested in moving past your bullshit excuses that are in the way of your future and if you’re interested in any of her techniques! Links:


Weathering First Responder Relationships with Cheri Timko

Today, Thomas and Anne are joined by Cheri Timko, a Couples Coach, Couples Psychotherapist, and Gottman Certified Therapist. She provides 1:1 coaching as well as 1:2 coaching and psychotherapy for people located in West Virginia. She discusses using relationship habits to build relationships, transition rituals that de-escalate the comings and goings in the relationship, and communication tools that lead to problem-solving. Cheri also tells us how to safeguard your relationship while also having a great career. Cheri drops the best information to build a relationship’s core techniques and concepts that you can use TODAY in your relationship to stay connected, diffuse tension, solve arguments, understand love languages, and build communication. If you’re in a relationship or want to be in a healthy relationship, this episode is for you! Cheri has also developed a FREE workbook specifically created with the wildland firefighter in mind. It will give you the tools you need to manage the stress that the job creates with time away, understanding needs, and communication that can occur around your job. It’s listed on her website in the first link below. Links: Synergy Coaching with Cheri Timko: Date Night Community:


Wildland Firefighter Mental Health with Close the Gap Wellness

Join Thomas, Anne, and Dani Shedden as we discuss what it takes to be healthy in wildland fire. Dani explores the CISM, CBT therapy, and why mental health is physical too. We talk about gut health, PT, bodywork, acupuncture, and meditation. We discuss the grief process and why acceptance and surrender can create powerful healing. We go deep into why building your team of supporters is so important. "Yeah, and you know there's no real answer or timeframe of how someone's gonna handle grief or how it's gonna impact them, and what I will say is when we go through something traumatic or we have a loss and we're grieving that. As clinicians, the biggest thing that we do is listen and support and understand the grief cycle. There's no real order in how we grieve. I think that some losses we have we will feel for our whole lives. It's how we handle that loss and how we allow ourselves some space to grieve and then how we seek treatment." ~Dani Shedden~ LINKS: CLOSE THE GAP WELLNESS CLOSE THE GAP WELLNESS INSTAGRAM


The Huna Experience

Anne Interviews Thomas about his recent Huna Level 2 experience. Thomas takes us straight to the weird magic of Huna and explains how intense the energy was during class. We take you on a ride through Hogwarts in Hawaii. We talk about why Ho'oku'u may be more powerful than Mental-Emotional Release because we are working with the spiritual, and mental, emotional bodies. We discuss the law of mentalism, quantum mechanics, and why everything is in your mind. We really go down a rabbit hole of what reality is. Warning: if you don't have a strong sense of reality you may not want to listen to this podcast. Check out the next Huna Workshop: JOIN THE MMT NEWSLETTER CHECK OUT THE ON-CALL PROGRAM GET YOUR MUD WATER


Remove Clutter, Gain Confidence, Learn Who You Are with Krista Lockwood

Krista Lockwood is a mom, a decluttering expert, a teacher and a supporter. Her expertise in keeping your life simplified will allow your new skills in having a cleaner house and mind move you forward in your goals. Join Thomas Wurm, Anne Martin, and Krista Lockwood as they dive deep into understanding how removing clutter and becoming more minimalistic can open new opportunities for you as an individual, reduce stress in relationships and in families, and keep a consistent routine that will allow you to feel confident. Krista explains how de-cluttering has given her more time with her spouse and kids and it allowed her to go inward, and without the stress of everyday chores, see who she was and start working on herself. We discuss how to alleviate stress when you come home from an assignment and the intentions behind completing tasks to the fullest. Learn how to reduce stress in your life by staying consistent with minimalism, allowing you to have time and space to grow as a person and support your family and creating a safe and fulfilling home. Learn to lead by example, tell stories of your success and create the life you’ve wanted by accomplishing the cleaning you’ve always wanted to get done and how to get rid of or keep sentimental items. Links:


Mental-Emotional Release with Alan Wade and Cindy Preston

Alan Wade and Cindy Preston are International Best-Selling Authors, Certified Master Practitioners of NLP, MER®, Hypnosis, and Reiki, with 30 years of combined experience, and they work with highly motivated individuals that seek the next level of performance. They use the power of your unconscious mind to release limiting beliefs and past emotional baggage that has kept you from achieving your goals and reaching your ultimate lifestyle and full potential. Join Thomas Wurm, Anne Martin, Alan Wade, and Cindy Preston as we go in-depth discussing how our qualifications and knowledge can help our clients and even you! All four of us are Master Practitioners in Neuro-Linguistic Programming, Mental and Emotional Release, and Hypnosis. We explore the benefits of MER (Mental and Emotional Release) and how quickly it works, how to be resilient through trauma and identifying a root problem with some of the services we practice, how energy can be used for healing, how emotions create your personal reality, and what NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) is and how it can help you. Links


Ben Strahan and Jaguar Medicine

Ben Strahan shares his transformation into a Jaguar Warrior and the raw power of being of service from his entire being. Ben speaks about his experience from the entire retreat in Mexico and how he had a much deeper transformation than he was expecting. We discuss what a warrior is and why defending the truth is his purpose in life now. How the jaguar warrior has so much power but with that power comes real responsibility to not use it. Ben drops so many truth bombs during this episode you don't want to miss the wisdom. Catch the video version in the Wildland Firefighter Mental Health FB Group Links: WFF MENTAL HEALTH FB GROUP


Plant Medicine and The Day of the Dead with Roger Caballero

"I was driving home one day and there's this same intersection that I get to every day. And one day I thought, should I creep out into this intersection while someone comes around the corner so they can take me out. That's when I knew I needed help!" The hope of being taken out someway is all too common in our wildland fire community but most of us don't have the courage to talk about it. Roger is a Helitack Superintendent in R5 and a participant in the most recent Wildland Wellness Foundation retreat. Roger speaks about what brought him to plant medicine. The miracle of how he found the foundation and the massive transformation he experienced in Mexico. If you are thinking about a retreat with the Foundation. You need to listen to this episode. We talk about his Kambo experience, the kaleidoscoping puzzles of Yopo, and how he watched me turn into a tree. We talk about the supporters, the welcoming ceremony, how he felt safe and supported through his entire journey. But most of all we talk about how powerful it is just to be a human and how his true lesson after finding his heart was learning to BE HERE. Be in the moment and express love for life. DONATE AND SAVE A WILDLAND FIREFIGHTER SUPPORT THE WILDLAND WELLNESS FOUNDATION


Magnetic FM Radio Interviews: Thomas Wurm

Here is a replay of my live Canadian radio interview with my amazing friends Alan Wade and Cindy Preston. We talk about wildland firefighter mental health and Mental-Emotional Release. How hardcore the job is and why the little traumas add up... LINKS:


Listening to Our Sacred Gifts with Nicole Bigley

Join hosts Thomas Wurm and Anne Martin as they invite guest Nichole Bigley from A Psychic’s Story on the show. We cover great spiritual topics like metaphysical and sacred gifts and reincarnation. We dive into the identity of a healer and how to identify who you truly are. We discuss sacred geometry, Reiki, prayer, gut intuition, and the Merkaba. We give practical advice for those looking to improve their spiritual hygiene and get in touch with their guides and angels. Nichole is a Reiki Master, a Healer, Intuitive, Truth Speaker, and Podcaster. Her insights are so powerful and inspirational. Her spiritual journey gives us the clarity and inspiration to understand our own stories and how we can develop good spiritual practices. Learn to love where you’re at spiritually and be inspired to continue on a journey of finding who you are and how you can make a difference for yourself and in others. Links:


The Learnings from Retreat

I am solo today as I share from the heart. I go deep into my personal experience from the Wildland Wellness Foundation retreat. I talk about my laughing Buddha experience, the exorcism, and my Siddartha vision of oneness. I take you on a journey of transformation as I record a piece of my integration process. LINKS:


Strength, Courage, and Confidence with Cheryl Ilov

Cheryl is also an author and speaker, who earned her graduate degree in physical therapy. Cheryl provides consulting services, online training, hosts a podcast called The FemiNinja Project, and authored an award-winning book titled Forever Fit and Flexible. She inspires and motivates others to find their own path to health and healing, including physical, mental, and emotional well-being. Join Thomas Wurm, Anne Martin, and Cheryl Ilov as we discuss how to navigate and be resilient from traumatic experiences. We explore how martial arts, self-defense, and Feldenkris can be incredibly beneficial. We talk about how we can defeat or lessen PTSD and how western medicine has sometimes done more harm than good. Learn how to be responsible for your own healing and what your self-talk can do. Learn how to build strength, courage, confidence, and empowerment with martial arts. Cheryl runs us through three great exercises to allow you to practice and become aware of your posture, mindfulness and focus. Feldenkrais, is a highly sophisticated form of neuromuscular re-education. Links: Books: Heal Your Body – Louise Hay How to be an Adult – David Richo


Work Life Balance With Ben Strahan

Podcast Host Thomas Wurm and Co-host Anne Martin welcome Ben Strahan, the Superintendent for the Eldorado Hotshots, an elite wildland firefighting crew out of California. Ben has years of Hotshot experience, provides quality insight on mental health in the wildland community, and shares his story of suicidal thoughts and his beneficial journey with plant medicine. We dive into how identifying ourselves as our jobs can be problematic but serve up solutions to become more than just what you do. We learn the importance of life and how to share that gift with our crews, our families, and everyone we love doing life with. We cover mental health, depression, suicidal thoughts, plant medicine, resiliency in the wildland fire community. Ben gives us the best metaphor for peaks and valleys we've ever heard and Ben's super effective list of daily check-ins that keep him healthy, sound, resilient, and the best leader he can be. Links: Instagram @benstrahan Wildland Wellness Foundation - Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - Mountain Mind Tricks -


Scalar Energy with Tom Paladino

Tom Paladino is a researcher and humanitarian seeking to make a difference in the world by providing people with the education and tools to restore optimal health, and by helping enhance their quality of life. Tom began research with Scalar Energy during his undergraduate years after developing a deep admiration for the father of Scalar Energy research or knowledge, Nikola Tesla. He was also able to study the work of a man Hieronymus who continued research on Scalar Energy. Hieronymus’ major contributions included unbinding the RNA/ DNA bonds of microbes plaguing the agricultural industry (rendering them harmless). The existence of such energy not found within the electromagnetic spectrum fascinated Tom. Inspired by these findings, he pursued a course of independent study seeking to better understand and subsequently harness Scalar Energy, through the development of an instrument called “Scalar Light”. Scalar energy is prana, chi, qi, or Ki is relatable to some traditional cultures or spiritual seekers in general. In the scientific and physics community, scalar energy is known by various names. Radiant energy, eloptic energy torsion energy, Tesla energy, Physicists now agree to adopt mainly one of a few terms: THE FIELD or the unified field or the zero point. A Tale of Two Energies The two MAIN energies in the universe are electromagnetic energy and scalar energy. One vast difference between the two is that electromagnetic energy degrades over distance. For instance, a radio wave only travels so far before the signal fades. Scalar energy or scalar light is a light wave. At times it is in particle form, while at other times, a waveform. Hence, the duality of scalar energy. Scalar waves are the creator of MATTER. When electromagnetic energy degrades over time or distance, the term used is “entropy.” Scalar Light energy can travel from one side of the earth to the other instantaneously with NO loss of power. The scientific term is known as syntropy or negative entropy. Neither time nor distance affects the power of a scalar wave. Scalar waves (Scalar Light) are “superluminal,” which means that they are FASTER than the speed of light. LINKS: Testimonials Scalar Light Articles PODCAST LINKS: Mountain Mind Tricks - Wildland Wellness Foundation - Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MUDWTR - Essential Oils-


Trauma Sensitive Yoga for Wildland Firefighters: Bequi Livingston

Bequi Livingston is a retired Forest Service regional fire staff that speaks out about her trauma recovery. Her empowering story twists and turns as she helps us navigate the bureaucracy, the dangers of politics affecting operations, and how childhood trauma adds to the stress of the job. Bequi goes full throttle into her story and shares how she overcame her trauma. We go deep into the ideas behind the book the body keeps the score as Bequi explains her trauma-sensitive yoga workshops. Key topics we cover are: Retrieving parts of ourselves from trauma for healing Finding your own medicine Why EMDR may not work for everyone Why coming back into our body is so important for healing Links: Instagram @firefitbequi Email: Website coming soon Mountain Mind Tricks - Wildland Wellness Foundation - Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MUDWTR - Essential Oils-


Breakthrough Your Baggage with Master Practitioner Anne Martin

Today we have host Thomas M. Wurm interviewing a co-host Anne Martin. In this episode, we welcome Anne Martin to the Mountain Mind Tricks team as a Master Practitioner! We discuss in-depth topics like Neuro-Linguistic Programming, Mental and Emotional Release, and Hypnotherapy. We go in-depth into neuroplasticity, emotional baggage, modeling, the benefits of alternative health care, how the conscious and unconscious minds work, and the instant gratification of removing the root cause of a problem in your life. We understand the strength of beliefs and values and how they differ between people. We delve into the difficulties of a Master Practitioner Training of NLP, MER, and Hypnosis. We also explore short modalities that can create lasting change in your being in such a very short amount of time, and how important the requisites for change are. Anne Martin is a breakthrough coach, a wildland firefighter, and a former first responder. She specializes in working with first responders in breakthrough sessions, coaching, and hypnotherapy. She has valuable experience in working with trauma, career, physical health, and relationships. Anne enjoys sharing success with her clients, mountain biking, learning, teaching, hiking with her dogs, and fishing. Mountain Mind Tricks - Wildland Wellness Foundation - Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MUDWTR - Anne's Contacts - Instagram - @elitefire1507 Book Recommendations: The Biology of Belief - Bruce Lipton The Divided Mind - De. John Sarno Mental and Emotional Release - Dr. Matt James Six Minutes for Excellence - Thomas M. Wurm The Brain that Changes Itself - Norman Doidge The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen R. Covey


Healing through Hypnotherapy with Caroline Wong

Caroline and I explore healing with consciousness through Hypnotherapy. We explore the power of the mind and how the practitioner must go into the space where the client is working and guide them through the change. We both agreed that hypnosis is about teaching the client how to heal themselves. We swap stories about miraculous healings through crystals and shamanic work. Please join us in this episode as we dive deep into the power of the human consciousness. Links: