The Way Out | A Sobriety and Recovery Podcast

Scott Strode: Executive Director and Founder of The Phoenix - https://thephoenix.org/ Co-Founder Newform - https://www.newform.org/ Author of Rise. Recover. Thrive. How I Got Strong, GotSober, and Built a Movement of Hope - https://a.co/d/dFqBSWG Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: The DeepestWell: Healing the Long-Term Effects of Childhood Trauma and Adversity - https://a.co/d/6g6EoKH Aces score: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean Best piece of Recovery advice: Give yourself grace andempathy. Songs that symbolize Recovery: Baby shark 2LOT & Aloe Blacc – Immortal - https://youtu.be/smvoB2RN06c Summary In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Scott Strode shareshis profound journey through addiction and recovery, emphasizing the importanceof community, connection, and self-reflection. He discusses his experienceswith substance use, the impact of adverse childhood experiences, and how hefounded The Phoenix, a free, sober, active community that supports individualsin recovery. Scott highlights the significance of building authenticrelationships and the role of various recovery resources, including the NewForm app, in fostering a supportive environment for healing and growth. Hereflects on the challenges and successes of his recovery journey, ultimatelyconveying a message of hope and resilience. Takeaways · Scott Strode has over 28 years of continuoussobriety. · Addiction often begins with substances likealcohol, which can lead to harder drugs. · Community and connection are vital in therecovery process. · The Phoenix is a free, sober, active communitythat promotes healing through activities. · Recovery is a journey of self-reflection andpersonal growth. · Adverse childhood experiences can significantlyimpact one's life and recovery. · It's important to seek support and buildauthentic relationships in recovery. · The New Form app connects individuals to variousrecovery resources and communities. · Forgiveness and grace towards oneself arecrucial in the healing process. · Recovery is not a competition; every journey isunique and worth celebrating. Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Shine a Light: https://www.shinealightlv.com/ https://crossroadsofsonv.com/ Summary In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Brent Nowak shares his powerful journey of recovery from addiction, detailing his struggles with substances like methamphetamine and heroin. He discusses the importance of community support in recovery, his work with the Shine a Light Foundation, and the transformative power of personal growth. Brent emphasizes the significance of being willing to change, the role of music in his life, and the ongoing challenges of self-forgiveness. His story is one of resilience, hope, and the belief that recovery is possible for everyone. Takeaways Brent's substance of choice was methamphetamine and heroin. Recovery is an internal journey, focusing on becoming a better version of oneself. Serving the recovery community is a vital part of Brent's life. Connection and community support are crucial in recovery. Brent's turning point came when he was arrested and sentenced to prison. The Shine a Light Foundation provides essential resources for those in need. Daily gratitude and reflection are key components of Brent's recovery routine. Forgiveness, especially of oneself, is a significant challenge in recovery. Music plays a vital role in Brent's emotional well-being. Brent's greatest success is helping others achieve their recovery goals. Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: Drop the Rock by Bill P, Todd Weber, Sara S - https://a.co/d/4rkSqEj The Inner Work: An Invitation to True Freedom and LastingHappiness by by Mathew Micheletti , Ashley Cottrell , The Yoga Couple , Mat& Ash - https://a.co/d/gtoi5H8 Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits& Break Bad Ones by by James Clear - https://a.co/d/9AYirhW Best piece of Recovery advice: Fail Forward Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All RightsReserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Tim: 612-791-9942 or email him at wartimj@gmail.com Books: Staying Sober: A Guide for Relapse Prevention: Terence T.Gorski, Merlene Miller, Father Martin: 9780830904594: Amazon.com: Books Drop the Rock: Removing Character Defects - Steps Six andSeven: P., Bill, Todd Weber, S., Sara: 9781592851614: Amazon.com: Books Best Advice: Stay in the Solution Song that symbolizes recovery to Tim: ZachWilliams - Chain Breaker (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube takeaways Summary In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Tim Warren shareshis powerful journey from addiction to recovery. He discusses the importance ofservice work in the recovery community, the impact of his loving upbringing,and how he transitioned from casual substance use to addiction. Tim emphasizesthat addiction does not discriminate and highlights the significance ofcommunity support in the healing process. Through his podcast, Attitude forGratitude, he aims to help others by sharing stories of recovery and thelessons learned along the way. In this conversation, Timmy J Warren shares hisjourney of recovery, emphasizing the importance of neuroplasticity, self-esteembuilding, and the impact of comparison on personal growth. He discusses thelifelong process of recovery, coping with loss, and the significance of relapseprevention. Timmy highlights the value of solution-based thinking, personalexperiences that lead to spiritual awakening, and the role of gratitude inmaintaining a positive attitude. He also outlines his daily recovery routine,impactful literature, and the advice he finds most valuable in his journey. Theconversation concludes with reflections on forgiveness and the songs thatsymbolize recovery for him. Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All RightsReserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Shurr JR: https://linktr.ee/shurrjrband Recovery literature (Quit-lit) Recommendation: The Easy Wayto Quit Drinking by Allen Carr - https://a.co/d/eNLCK9o Best piece of recovery advice: Learn to forgive yourself Song that symbolizes Recovery to Frankie: Here comes theregular by The Replacements - https://youtu.be/sdbXGi2WX0Q Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA Summary In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Frankie Maxwell Jr.shares his journey through addiction and recovery, highlighting thetransformative power of music and family support. He discusses his sobrietysince October 10, 2021, and how recovery has allowed him to appreciate life'ssmall joys. Frankie emphasizes the importance of honesty in recovery andreflects on the chaos of addiction versus the peace found in sobriety. He alsoshares insights on the creative process in his band, Shur Jr., and the role offamily in his healing journey. In this conversation, Frankie Maxwell Jr. andthe host explore the complexities of addiction, the importance ofself-compassion, and the role of music in recovery. They discuss personalexperiences with addiction, the significance of daily routines, and the impactof family relationships on recovery. Frankie shares his musical influences andhow they shape his artistic expression, while also reflecting on the importanceof forgiveness and celebrating successes in recovery. Takeaways: takeaways (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Jessie- jesksidhu@gmail.com Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendation: SacredContracts: Awakening Your Divine Potential - https://a.co/d/fiyhm2c Best Advice: "Come all the way in and sit all the waydown." Song that symbolizes recovery to Jessie- Patakha GuddiHighway by Alia Bhatt, Randeep Hooda - https://youtu.be/8HDTS80dlr4?si=mboPmLQ1jgVkf9aZ Resources: Step and Heal Recovery Coaching - https://stepandheal.com/ CCAR - https://ccar.us/ Still Here: https://www.still-here.ca/recovery Summary In this episode, Jessie Sidhu shares her profound journeythrough alcoholism and recovery. From her early exposure to alcohol in adysfunctional family to her struggles with high-functioning alcoholism, Jessiereflects on the pivotal moments that led her to seek help. She emphasizes theimportance of personal work in recovery, the role of community, and theunexpected ways that hope can manifest, such as through her beloved dog.Jessie's story is one of resilience, healing, and the ongoing journey ofrecovery. In this conversation, Jessie shares her personal journey from a lifeof addiction to recovery, highlighting the importance of emotional growth,spirituality, and community support. She discusses her experiences with 12 Stepprograms and the significance of commitment in the recovery process. Jessiealso emphasizes that recovery is not just about quitting drinking but involvescontinuous healing and personal growth. Additionally, she introduces theconcept of recovery coaching, advocating for diverse paths to recovery and theimportance of individualized support. In this episode, Jessie and the hostdiscuss the transformative journey of recovery coaching, emphasizing theimportance of training, daily routines, mindfulness, and acceptance. Theyexplore the challenges of forgiveness and self-acceptance, the role ofliterature in recovery, and the significance of being present in the moment.Jessie shares a song that symbolizes recovery and offers a message of hope andsupport to listeners. Takeaways Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Barney Whiter | Creator of the Escape ArtistBlog | Financial Coach | Person in long Recovery: https://theescapeartist.me/ Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: The Biology of Desire: Why Addiction Is Not a Disease byMarc Lewis PhD - https://a.co/d/iMH3jwf Alcohol Explained by William Porter - https://a.co/d/7zXSpoM Best piece of Recovery advice: Your ability to endureaddiction will allow you to thrive in Recovery. Song that symbolizes Recovery to Barney: Hold On by Wilson Phillips - https://youtu.be/uIbXvaE39wM?si=UXYlBbfUgM3EShnE (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That’s why we’ve teamed up with Boise State University’s Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up. Episode Summary: The Neural Navigators Podcast explores the intersection of traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and substance use disorders (SUD), emphasizing the need for compassionate care and rehabilitation over punitive measures. The discussion highlights the challenges faced by individuals with TBI and SUD in accessing treatment, the impact of stigma, and the importance of tailored strategies to support their recovery. Experts advocate for policy changes that prioritize understanding and compassion, as well as providing guidance for future healthcare professionals working with this population. Takeaways: (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That’s why we’ve teamed up with Boise State University’s Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up. Episode Summary: This episode of the Neuro Navigator Series delves into the complex relationship between traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and addiction, exploring how rehabilitation can be a more effective solution than punishment. The conversation highlights the role of law enforcement in addressing these issues, the importance of compassionate care, and the successes and challenges of diversion programs. It emphasizes the need for community involvement and innovative approaches in crisis management, while also reflecting on the progress made in mental health and addiction treatment. Takeaways: (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

We here The Way Out Podcast are deeply committed to supporting and advocating for research that advances and improves treatment for substance use disorders and mental illness. That’s why we’ve teamed up with Boise State University’s Crossing the Boise Brain Bridge for a special three-episode mini-series, hosted by Charles, Mel, and Ashley. Together, we'll explore how rehabilitation—rather than punishment—may offer a more effective path for individuals navigating both traumatic brain injuries and addiction so listen up.

In this conversation, Kyle Peterson shares his journey fromaddiction to recovery, highlighting the importance of community and connectionin the healing process. He discusses his experiences with substance abuse, theimpact of family dynamics, and the challenges of relapse. Kyle emphasizes thesignificance of building a supportive recovery community through the CouveCollective in Vancouver, Washington, which he co-founded to help others findhope and healing. The discussion also touches on the role of the Recovery CafeNetwork in providing resources and support for recovery organizations. In thisconversation, Kyle Peterson discusses the multifaceted approach to recovery,emphasizing the importance of community support, innovative programming, andpersonal growth. He shares insights on the challenges and successes in hisrecovery journey, the significance of daily routines, and the impact ofliterature on his life. The discussion also touches on the importance offorgiveness and the role of music in recovery, culminating in a heartfeltmessage about the power of connection and support in overcoming addiction. Contact: kyle@couvecollective.org Book recommendation: Atomic Habits: An Easy and Proven Wayto Build Good Habits and Break Bad Ones by James Clear - https://a.co/d/ehwGYp3 Best piece of Recovery advice: Always be humble and alwaysshow respect. Song that symbolizes recovery: Made For More by JoshBaldwin, feat. Jenn Johnson - https://youtu.be/Ov9Ls4npIrc?si=RUUMQNyHvXuWOJzR Resources: Recovery Community In Vancouver, WA - Couve Collective - https://couvecollective.org/ Recovery Café Network - https://recoverycafenetwork.org/ (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)by Ketsa (https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠) licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, host Jason R.engages in a deep conversation with Dr. Mark Hrymoc, a psychiatristspecializing in addiction. They explore the multifaceted nature of recovery,the intersection of addiction and mental health, and the importance of treatingboth simultaneously. Dr. Hrymoc shares insights on innovative treatments likeketamine therapy and the challenges of medications like Suboxone. Thediscussion also touches on personal reflections about family, success, and theongoing journey of learning in both personal and professional realms. Dr. Hrymoc emphasizes the importance of reachingout for help and the value of support in the recovery process. Takeaways Recovery means functioning optimally without limitationsfrom addiction. Addiction and mental health issues often feed off eachother. Both addiction and mental health need to be treatedsimultaneously. Ketamine therapy shows promise for treating depression andanxiety. Suboxone can be challenging to taper off, but a slowapproach can help. Psychopharmacology is focused on treating brain disorderswith medication. Addiction is a lifelong condition that requires management. Family dynamics play a crucial role in addiction recovery. It's important to model humility and communication inrelationships. Struggling with addiction is not a shameful experience. (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.ThemeMusic: “all clear”(⁠⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠⁠)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

In this episode of The Way Out Podcast, Skeeter shares hisprofound journey through addiction and recovery, reflecting on the importanceof hope, spirituality, and connection with others. He discusses his substanceuse history, the role of service in recovery, and how music has been a lifelinethroughout his life. Skeeter emphasizes the significance of honesty,mentorship, and the ongoing process of self-discovery in maintaining sobriety.His insights offer a powerful reminder of the resilience and strength found inthe recovery community. In this conversation, Skeeter shares his profoundjourney of recovery, emphasizing the importance of honesty, self-discovery, andspirituality. He discusses the layers of self-deception that can hinderpersonal growth and the significance of living in the present moment. Skeeterhighlights the role of connection with others in recovery and the unique pathsindividuals take. He reflects on impactful literature, daily routines, and thejourney of forgiveness, ultimately underscoring the power of action intransforming thoughts and feelings. takeaways Check out Skeeter’s podcast! https://www.youtube.com/@catchit9649 Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest! Song that symbolizes Recovery to Skeeter: Bohemian Rhapsodyby Queen - https://youtu.be/fJ9rUzIMcZQ Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear”(⁠⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠⁠)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Welcome to another edition of The Way Out Podcast! I'm yourhost, Charlie, and in this rendition of The Way Out, we have something trulyspecial lined up for you. You might know Edwin McCain as the voice behindtimeless hits like 'I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask for More,' but beyond themusic, he's got a deeply personal story that embodies recovery, resilience, andtransformation. For those of you who’ve been listening to The Way Out fromthe start, you’ll recognize this as the original format of the show, where Iwould deliver the introduction to the interview that followed. We’re going oldschool on this one with Edwin because once our chat got started, there was no stoppingfor nothin. In this conversation, Edwin opens up about his journey toand through Recovery to this point—the highs, the struggles, and the lessonsthat have shaped him not just as an artist, but as a human being. His insightsinto addiction, healing, and finding purpose beyond fame are powerful anddeeply relatable. All of this he takes into his new album, Lucky for which he embarkson Tour to support starting in our back yard in Minneapolis tomorrow, Cinco DeMayo of all days. Perhaps the most profound and resonant piece of spiritualand Recovery wisdom to come from our recovery rap session is that Nothing is thehardest thing to do on our path to and through Recovery. This strikes at thevery core of mine and so many that I’ve come to knows experience. Boredom andidle time was untenable and it felt impossible not to react to most everything.Paradoxically, when I’m spiritually centered, Nothing is too hard in Recoveryor life. So whether you’re doing something or nothing as you listen, I am certainyou’ll enjoy kicking it old school with Edwin and I waxing poetic on all thingsRecovery so Listen Up. Takeaways Recovery is a personal journey that requires understandingone's triggers. The loss of an addict can lead to others finding their pathto sobriety. Mindfulness can help individuals separate their thoughtsfrom their actions. Harm reduction strategies can be effective for someindividuals in recovery. Community support is crucial in the recovery process. Every recovery journey is unique and requires tailoredapproaches. Understanding brain chemistry can aid in addressingaddiction. Families must also engage in the recovery process to breakthe cycle. It's hard to bring people to the realization of their challenges. Family dynamics can complicate recovery. Emotional responses can be overwhelming in early recovery. Altruism is a key component of recovery support. Recovery is about becoming a dependable person. Balance is essential for a fulfilling life. Creativity can flourish when addiction is removed. Recovery allows for deeper emotional connections. The stigma around addiction can hinder treatment. Recovery can lead to unexpected moments of clarity.Connection is everything for me. You can't rush the process. Be the best example of recovery. I'm not looking for an attaboy. Gratitude list is usually way up there. Living Sober had the biggest impact. The hardest thing in the world to do is nothing. Learn more about Edwin McCain and his music - https://edwin.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Living Sober:Practical Methods Alcoholics Have Used for Living Without Drinking - https://a.co/d/dpoxlCW Best piece of Recovery advice: The hardest thing in the worldis to do nothing Song that symbolizes Recovery to Edwin: The Lucky One by AndersOsborne - https://youtu.be/pJOoKWwjj5A Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(⁠https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk⁠)licensedunder CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

In this episode of the Way Out Podcast, Killian Ann No shares her profound journey of recovery and the mission of Recovery Cafe. The conversation explores the essence of recovery, emphasizing that everyone is recovering from something, whether it be mental health issues, trauma, or substance use. Killian discusses the importance of community, connection, and intentionality in the recovery process, highlighting how Recovery Cafe serves as a nurturing space for individuals to find love, support, and healing. The dialogue also delves into the challenges of maintaining joy amidst loss and the significance of discernment in relationships. Ultimately, the episode is a heartfelt exploration of love, acceptance, and the ongoing journey of recovery. Takeaways Recovery is about addressing core causes and conditions. Connection with ourselves and others is vital for healing. We are all recovering from something, not just substances. Intentionality in choosing love over fear is crucial. Community plays a significant role in the recovery process. Discernment is necessary for understanding love in relationships. Forgiveness is a daily practice in recovery. Experiencing loss is a part of the recovery journey. Finding joy amidst suffering is essential. Every individual has a divine love within them. Reach out to Killian Noe, Co-Founder of Recovery Cafe andRecovery Cafe Network and a person Committed to the spiritual and recoveryjourney: https://recoverycafenetwork.org/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Invitation toLove by Thomas Keating - https://a.co/d/dJulhkq Best piece of Recovery advice: Don’t waste too much timegetting yourself and others all cleaned up, acceptance does more for healingthen trying to fixing each other. Song that symbolizes Recovery to Killian: Bring Me a HigherLove by Steve Winwood - https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8 Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensed under CCBY-NC-ND4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Reach out to Dr. Adi Jaffe: https://www.adijaffe.com/ Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations: The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom(A Toltec Wisdom Book) - by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://a.co/d/iaCIYwj The Biology of Belief 10th Anniversary Edition: Unleashingthe Power of Consciousness, Matter & Miracles by Bruce H. Lipton PHD - https://a.co/d/iR6tX6r Best piece of Recovery advice: Be Honest Artist that symbolizes Recovery to Adi: Nine Inch Nails Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear”(https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd

Contact Aneta: https://www.instagram.com/centerofsolace/ Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) recommendations: The Little Book of Big Change: The No-Willpower Approach toBreaking Any Habit by Amy Johnson PhD - https://a.co/d/c5wUcbR The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav - https://a.co/d/3sHtfvN Best piece of Recovery advice: You are not your thoughts. Song that symbolizes recovery: Awake my Soul by Mumford and Sons - https://youtu.be/KpcBjt8Wqg8 Resources: https://centerofsolace.com/ Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/)byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cody: rollercodster2012@gmail.com Recovery literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: 12 Rules forLife: An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan B.Peterson https://a.co/d/caElfKi Best piece of Recovery advice: Drive your own car Song that symbolizes recovery: River of Deceit by Mad Seasonhttps://youtu.be/Fm72DPJCX58?si=aNfxs42yBhvJajf4 Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

George Haymaker - Certified Neuroscience Coach +Neuroeducator: https://www.georgehaymaker.com/ Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: A.A. Big Book- https://www.aa.org/the-big-book Best piece of Recovery advice - There are three things you must always askyourself before you say anything: Does this need to be said? Does this need to be said by me? Does this need to be said by me now? Music that symbolizes Recovery to George: Dire Straits Mark Knopfler Eric Clapton Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available onlyon Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. ThemeMusic: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk)licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Contact Cassie: vandevoorde7@gmail.com Recovery literature (quit-lit) recommendation: Unfu*kYourself: Get Out of Your Head and into Your Life by by Gary John Bishop - https://a.co/d/6PigsuM Best piece of Recovery advice: Your brain needs time toheal. So be patient. Song that symbolizes recovery to Cassie: Love Is Still TheAnswer by Jason Mraz - https://youtu.be/Sc2BK09eKhk Resources: Thrive Family Recovery Resources - https://www.thrivefrr.org/ Wild Hearts Adventures - https://www.wildha.org Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist”availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved.Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) byKetsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensedunderCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)

Learn more about Recovery Café Anoka County and donate: https://www.recoverycafeanokacounty.org/ Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com?episode/07lvzwUq1L6VQGnZuH6OLz?si=3eyd3PxVRWCKz4pTurLcmA (c) 2015 - 2025 The Way Out Podcast | All Rights Reserved. Theme Music: “all clear” (https://ketsa.uk/browse-music/) by Ketsa(https://ketsa.uk) licensed underCCBY-NC-ND4.0(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd)