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Nuclear Navies in South Asia

India has some nuclear naval news, with its defense minister claiming a successful "first deterrent patrol." What does this mean for Pakistan and nuclear dynamics in the Indian Ocean? Aaron sits down with friends of the pod Ankit Panda and Vipin Narang to talk about the India-Pakistan relationship, India's ballistic missile subs, and Pakistan's cruise missile subs. This episode started as a Brilliant Pebble and ballooned into a full-blown episode! Support us over at...


INF Basing Modes, Asia Edition

With the US on the precipice of withdrawing from the INF, all eyes have turned to China and its large number of INF range missiles. The think tank community has followed and a bevy of think pieces on basing modes in Asia have been published. On this week’s episode, Jeffrey and Aaron talk about the cost of the BGM-109G and some of the implications of putting them on land... in the Pacific. Support us over at!


KCN-eh? October's other North Korea Developments

A Canadian reviews the month’s North Korea news together with a special guest. Andrea and Ramon Pacheco-Pardo, the Korea Foundation-Free University Brussels Korea Chair, look at Pompeo’s latest visit to Pyongyang, examine the outcomes of Moon Jae-in’s European tour, and talk about the North Korean middleman now on an FBI Most Wanted poster. Links of Note: Details of Pompeo’s October visit to Pyongyang. NY Times, “South Korea backtracks on easing sanctions after Trump comment”, 11 October...


Pulling Out of the INF

The end of arms control, or a sub-culture run amok? In today’s special, live-recorded edition of the Arms Control Wonk podcast, Aaron and Jeffrey talk about the end of the INF, John Bolton's motivations, and the reasons behind the US pull-out (aka the Stormy Daniels). Previous Podcast Episodes about this Topic: Tightening the Screws on the INF An Era Without Arms Control? The INF, NATO, and the MSC The Little Green Men and a New Cruise Missile Russia and the INF: Don't Call it a...


A Future for Arms Control?

Aaron and Jeffrey return to the topic to discuss the potential for a New Start extension and what it could mean for the future of the US-Russian relationship. Support us over at!


If You Say, Kay

US Ambassador to NATO, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, made some news. And not in a good way. She was trying to say that the US would develop countervailing capabilities -- something that started under the Obama Administration and that almost no one disagrees with. But she mangled the quote and, in doing so, reinforced Russian paranoia about decapitation. The US and Russia seemed determined to relive the horrors of the early 1980s, albeit on accident. Find out why. Support us over at...


KCN-eh? September's other North Korea Developments

Andrea is joined again by John Hemmings, Director of Asia Studies at the Henry Jackson Society, to talk about the major developments in North Korea relations during September. They consider Pyongyang’s tamer military parade, examine the optics and outcomes of Moon Jae-in’s trip to North Korea, and look at the way those outcomes are being communicated to the international community at the UN General Assembly. Links of Note: DPRK’s English version of the Pyongyang declaration. Moon...


JCPO-eh? Iran, the EU, and the US

Andrea discusses friction between Europe and the United States over the Iran nuclear deal with Justine Walker, Director of Sanctions at UK Finance. They review European engagement in the Iranian market over the last two years, consider the EU’s reaction to Trump’s withdrawal from the agreement, and examine the implications for companies now caught between two sets of opposing laws. Links of Note: Full transcript of Trump’s speech announcing withdrawal from the JCPOA. US Treasury FAQ on...


Nuclear Rationality and the 2020 Commission

In today’s episode, Aaron and Jeffrey discuss the 2020 Commission and its relationship with how we are conditioned to think about nuclear weapons. The podcast is filled with spoilers (you’ve been warned), but attempts to use the book — and one of the main characters, President Donald Trump — to discuss nuclear war, American nuclear policy, the rationality of fictional North Korean actions, and the tragedy that would follow any use of the bomb. We also take the time to discuss our new...


South Korean Missile Tracking

In today’s podcast, Aaron and Jeffrey discuss the geolocation work that underpinned Jeffrey’s research for his novel and how open source investigations can be leveraged to inform analysis. Links of Note: Previous Arms Control Wonk Podcast episodes on South Korea's missile arsenal: South Korea's Missile Arsenal Expands The Hyunmoo-2C: South Korea's 800km Missile Jeffrey's new book, The 2020 Commission Report on the North Korean Nuclear Attacks Against the United States - A Speculative...


KCN-eh? July's other North Korea Developments

It's a family pod today! Andrea, Aaron, and Jeffrey review July's new North Korean developments. They dive into the developments at Sohae Satellite Launching Grounds, sanctions enforcement, and the repatriation of POW/KIA remains from the Korean War. Links of Note: Treasury's press release of sanctions ordered against the Russian Agrosoyuz Commercial Bank. Imagery analysis from 38 North of the dismantling of the engine test stand and covered rail transfer station at Sohae. Paul...


North Korea's Continuing Missile Production

Ellen Nakashima and Joby Warrick have a bombshell story about North Korea producing one, possible two, Hwasong-15 ICBMs at its Sanumdong facility. Aaron and Jeffrey discuss the role that MIIS and open source played in corroborating the report. This episode brought to you by Jeffrey's new novel, The 2020 Commission Report. Links of Note: Ellen Nakashima and Joby Warrick's article in the Washington Post about ICBM production at Sanum-Dong. Ankit Panda's Diplomat article on ...


North Korea's New Old Enrichment Site: Kangson

KANGSON. We have the (probable) location of North Korea's original enrichment site: Kangson, now called Chollima. This is probably the spot where the DPRK has been enriching uranium since the early 2000's, which has previously not been openly identified! Jeffrey, Grace Liu, and Dave Schmerler combed over information dropped by friend-of-the-pod Ankit Panda. Jeffrey, Aaron, and Scott talk about this old, newly discovered site, the history of North Korean enrichment tracking, and the...


KCN-eh? June's other North Korea Developments

A Canadian reviews the last month’s news with two special guests. Andrea talks to CNS Senior Research Associate Melissa Hanham and FAS Adjunct Fellow Ankit Panda as they go through the trajectory of U.S./DPRK diplomacy after the Singapore Summit, parse through the differences between U.S and DPRK public statements, and developments within the U.S./ROK Alliance. Links of Note NBC report on North Korea's additional enrichment sites and increased nuclear activity. Ankit's article in The...


Sentosa Goat Rodeo

Jeffrey spent the past week making Singapore Slings but it didn't help dull the pain. The conversation then turned to the summit and ended with a conversation about the sustainability of summits without substance and what the two sides can do in the future to settle on an actual agenda for talks. Jeffrey and Aaron commiserate over the complete goat rodeo that played out, including the Joint Statement, Trump's wild presser, and KCNA's excellent trolling of John Bolton. Links of...


Russia's Crashing Cruise Missile

Back in March, Putin said that Russia has been testing a nuclear-powered cruise missile and showed a little bit of video footage. Throughout April and May, stories have come out questioning the success of these tests. Jeffrey and his team at CNS have been peaking into the test site and trying to figure out what is actually going on. Jeffrey and Aaron discuss using satellite images to geolocate the launch site and what that tells about the state of the program. Links of Note: The Gertz...


Iranian ICBMs, Shahrud, and an Important Safety Lesson

This is a full end-to-end OSINT episode, buckle up. Using satellite imagery, SAR data, Farsi-language television coverage, one rocket scientist's favorite color, and one very important box, the team at CNS/MIIS tracked down a second solid-propellant rocket production facility in Iran. We suspect it may be moving towards ICBM research. Scott ventures out to California to join Jeffrey and Dave Schmerler in person to talk about Shahrud, the history of the Iranian missile program, and one...


KCN-eh? May's other North Korea Developments

A Canadian reviews the last month’s news with a special guest. Andrea talks to Hamish Macdonald from NK News about what went boom at Punggye-ri, recaps the diplomatic rollercoaster ride that was May, and ponders the Max Thunder joint military exercises (during an actual thunderstorm). Links of note: Will Ripley’s Instagram snaps from his visit to Wonsan and Punggye-ri. North Korea takes issue with the Max Thunder joint air drills. Press statement by First Vice Minister Kim Kye Gwan,...


The Libya Model and North Korean Nukes

What is going on with the Trump-Kim summit following the recent cancellation of a DPRK-ROK meeting? Will Trump and Kim meet? And how does John Bolton fit into all of this? Today, Aaron and Jeffrey discuss the latest twists and turns in the run-up to the Singapore summit, and raise broader questions about denuclearization and bureaucratic politics in the United States. Links of Note: John Bolton discussing that the summit will fail. Dig! Support us over at!


North Korean Nuclear Tunnels

Kim Jong Un said he is closing the nuclear test site at Punggye-ri. But if outside inspectors and exports aren't allowed in, it could just be a PR stunt with no substantive contribution to "denuclearization." Jeffrey and Aaron talk about what this means for North Korea, why inspectors and outside experts need to be allowed in, and what the upcoming Trump-Kim summit may lead to. Links of Note: CNS/MIIS research on the possibility that the nuclear test site at Punggye-ri is possibly being...