CHINA-MENA

In this episode of China-MENA, titled "China's Challenging Role in US Policy in MENA," join our host Jonathan Fulton featuring Dana Stroul, director of research and senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as they explore China's evolving role and its impact on US policy in the Middle East and North Africa. This episode delves into global partnerships like the US-UAE-G42-Microsoft collaboration, the strategic significance of 5G technology and cloud computing, and the economic factors supporting Iran. Dana also discusses the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum and recent geopolitical events. Join us for an insightful discussion on the future of US and allied strategies in the region. Takeaways Quotes "China, as the sole competitor shaping the global order, inspires us to uphold equity, cooperation, and shared prosperity." - Dana Stroul “The importance of the Rules-Based International Order lies in preventing unilateral changes or use of force to alter recognized boundaries" - Dana Stroul Featured in the Episode Dana Stroul Research Director, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy Guest LinkedIn: Dana Stroul | LinkedIn Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 03:51 - Navigating Biden's China Challenge in the Middle East 08:46 - Safeguarding Strategic Partnerships Amidst China's Rise 11:41 - Exploring China's Economic Development 15:00 - Contrasting US and China Infrastructure Support 20:19 - Assessing China's Trade Influence 22:23 - Impact of the International Order on Gulf Economies 24:30 - Insights from the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum 29:18 - China's Prioritization of its Immediate Periphery 34:04 - Cooperation and Countering Iran's Influence 38:19 - Iran's Behavior Changes and China's Role39:51 - Evading Sanctions: Iran, Russia, and China 42:22 - Outro

In this episode of China-MENA, titled “From the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific: Expanding Cooperation Between the Gulf and Asia," host Jonathan Fulton engages in a compelling conversation with Dr. Hasan Alhasan, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. They discuss China's role in Saudi Arabia's energy sectors, the impact of Indian and Chinese diasporas in the UAE, and India's naval presence in the Gulf. Dr. Alhasan also explores the Gulf States' views on the Indo-Pacific, defense and geoeconomic priorities, and the influence of the US, China, and India on Gulf alliances. Join us to understand how Gulf-Asia cooperation addresses future challenges and opportunities, from the Red Sea to the Indo-Pacific and beyond. Takeaways Quotes “'A realm where defense and geoeconomics distinctively part ways, shaping unique alliances and rivalries.” - Dr. Hasan Alhasan “The Gulf States perceive the varied and vibrant Indo-Pacific through the distinct lens of their own interests, seizing each opportunity uniquely.” - Dr. Hasan Alhasan Featured in the Episode Dr. Hasan Alhasan Senior Fellow for Middle East Policy at the IISS Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hasan-t-alhasan Guest Website: Dr Hasan Alhasan Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 01:53 - Exploring Gulf-Asia Economic Ties. 04:07 - Gulf States' Quest for Global Indispensability. 07:41 - Saudi Arabia's Drive for Economic Influence. 11:48 - India's Leadership in the Global South. 14:49 - Gulf States' Strategic Engagements with China, India. 18:28 - India's Naval Strategy and Evacuations.23:02 - Gulf States' Distanced Relationship with Asia. 27:11 - Regional Competition and Strategic Shifts. 31:34- India Expands Indo-Pacific Framework. 35:43 - Assessing Indo-Pacific's Impact on Gulf Security. 40:43 - Geoeconomics and Alliance Dynamics. 43:43 - Gulf States Prefer US AI, Diverse Partnerships. 45:58 - Outro Powered by Heartcast Media

In this episode of China-MENA titled “The View from New Delhi: Can IMEC rival China’s Belt and Road?”, our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Ambassador Navdeep Suri and expert Kabir Taneja explore the India, Middle East, Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) and its ties to China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). We unravel India's significant strategic interests in the Middle East and how these regions perceive India's expanded role in driving economic prosperity and enhancing regional security. Join us for an enlightening conversation that bridges continents and cultures on the China MENA podcast. Takeaways Quotes “IMEC propels us towards future-proof economies, blending technology and energy integration.” - Navdeep Suri "The geopolitical dynamics of the Middle East offer both a landscape of opportunities and a complex set of challenges for India."- Kabir Taneja Featured in the Episode Navdeep Suri Former Ambassador of India to UAE & Egypt, High Commissioner to Australia Guest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/navdeep-suri-2930452b Guest Website: Navdeep Suri Kabir Taneja Fellow Strategic Studies Program, Observer Research Foundation Guest LinkedIn: https://in.linkedin.com/in/kabirtaneja Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 01:39 - Geopolitical and Geoeconomic Considerations 03:16 - Challenges and Ongoing Interest 07:17 - IMEC's Focus on Technology in Transportation 11:28 - Economic Growth in Gulf Linked to India 14:11 - Growing Strategic Relationships in UAE, Saudi Arabia 17:55 - Exploring Potential Funding Sources 19:11 - Positive Momentum in the Region 25:12 - India's Role in Global Supply Chains 29:51 - Risk Distribution and US-China Contest 31:11 - Outro

In this episode, China vs the IMEC Corridor in the Middle East, Dr. Jean-Loup Samaan from the Middle East Institute of the National University of Singapore joins to discuss minilateral initiatives' impacts in the region. Explore the ongoing significance of the International Maritime Exercise (IMEC), Israel's post-Gaza war role, and complexities of regional dynamics. Unpack France's strategic trilateral partnership with the UAE and India to navigate tensions with China. Join us for a deep dive into these shifts, evaluating their implications on alliances and power balance in the Middle East on China-Mena. Takeaways: Quotes "The benefit of mini laterals is creating new discussion mechanisms among countries, crucial in regions like the Middle East lacking strong security frameworks."-Jean-Loup Samaan “The introduction of new methods brings hope and progress in the absence of a strong security structure.."-Jean-Loup Samaan Featured in the Episode Dr. Jean-Loup Samaan Linkedin: https://sg.linkedin.com/in/jean-loup-samaan-512a782 Website: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jean-loup-samaan/ Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 00:23 - Exploring Middle East Mini Laterals 05:41 - Analyzing the US-led I2U2 Initiative 06:58 - Middle Eastern Caution Towards a New Quad 11:28 - Research Challenges in a Changing Middle East 15:04 - Jordan's Vital Role in Regional Stability 18:37 - Unpacking China's Regional Influence 23:35 - Shifting Foreign Policies Amid US-China Competition 26:31 - Innovations in Security via Mini Laterals 30:08 - Insights on Middle Eastern Politics and China's Responses 35:28 - UAE and India: Infrastructural Investments and Rebranding 38:27 - Issues with IMEC Format and Financing Concerns 40:24 - Uncertainties Surrounding Israel's Role 43:12 - Outro

Join us on China-Mena as we delve into Xi Jinping's political philosophy and its effects on the Middle East and North Africa. Discover Xi's global vision, autocratic alliances, and conflicts with leaders like India's Modi. With expert insights from Steve Zhang, we'll unravel Xi Jinping Thought, explore the Belt and Road Initiative, and China's diplomatic strategies. Delve into power dynamics, internal party debates, and Xi Jinping's quest for superpower status, exploring its impact on the MENA region. Takeaways: Quotes "Let's aim to radiate beauty, not just for ourselves but for the Global South and the world. - Steve Tsang "Embrace and uphold Xi's leadership and political thought, fostering unity and determination, even in discomfort." - Steve Tsang Featured in the Episode Steve Tsang Director of the SOAS China Institute Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-tsang-3b937012/ Website: https://www.soas.ac.uk/about/steve-tsang Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 04:17 - China's political evolution under Mao and beyond. 09:16 - Evolving Chinese economic system: state vs private. 12:19 - Xi Jinping requires widespread support for his ideology. 14:39 - Xi Jinping's vision: unity, control, national rejuvenation. 21:32 - Xi Jinping aims to reshape global power dynamics. 24:07 - China leading democratization of international order, global South. 29:58 - Overview of China's global engagement and state-centric approach. 34:03 - Global South: diverse, India-China tension, leadership struggle. 39:15 - Navigating Soft Power and Wolf Warrior Diplomacy Under Xi Jinping 44:58 - Steering China's Assertive Stance and Western Relations 49:10 - Outro

Join us as we dive deep into China's maritime dynamics with Isaac B. Kardon, a top expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Isaac's expertise in maritime disputes, global port development, and PLA activities sheds light on China's evolving role in shaping international waters.Discover Isaac's groundbreaking book on China's maritime strategies and delve into his research on China's impact beyond its shores. Uncover China's ambitions in global waters, from deep-sea mining to infrastructure development with dual implications. Tune in for an engaging discussion on China's maritime might and its implications for the global order. Takeaways:Quotes "The power differentials have become significantly important. It has made your ability to resort to international law as a regional actor less effective and more diluted." - Isaac B. Kardon "China is heavily invested in transportation infrastructure due to its economic priorities as the world's largest trading nation."-Isaac B. Kardon Featured in the Episode Isaac B. Kardon Senior Fellow For China Studies At The Carnegie Endowment For International Peace Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isaac-b-kardon-7ba90416/ Website: https://www.isaacbkardon.com/ Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 07:08 - Disrupting Norms: China's Impact on the International Maritime Order 11:17 - Probing Regional Responses to China's 13:26 - Delving into China's Emphasis on Sovereignty Concerns 18:42 - Shifting Tides: Increasing PLA Deployments and Global Dynamics 20:14 - Navigating Challenges: China's Maritime Interests and Complexities 24:58 - The Precarious Balance: China's Posture Changes and Potential Conflicts 28:05 - Strategic Stronghold: Djibouti's Significance in Chinese Diplomacy 30:25 - Bridging the Divide: Chinese Perspectives on Overseas Actions 34:56 - Anticipating Support: Political and Security Pathways for China 39:50 - Economic Priorities: Balancing Development and Security in China 44:05 - Strategic Insights: Evaluating Military Missions and Facilities 45:27 - Tactical Transactions: Chinese Military Utilization of Commercial Spaces 47:49 - Outro

Welcome back to the China-Mena podcast! In today's episode, titled "Middle East Instability: A Chinese Perspective," our host Jonathan Fulton and guest Chuchu Zhang explore China's evolving role in the region. They discuss recent events, including the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and China's growing presence, and how these shape China's approach to the Middle East. Gain valuable insights into the complex geopolitical landscape and global power dynamics. Get ready for a thought-provoking discussion! TakeawaysQuotes "The reconciliation between Saudi Arabia and Iran reminds us that sectarian confrontation in the region is not inevitable, transcending the need to highlight China's greatness." - Chuchu Zhang "There are common interests promoting peace, but it's not a comprehensive solution to all problems. Yet, there is another perspective on promoting peace through development." - Chuchu Zhang Featured in the Episode Chuchu Zhang Associate Professor of International Relations in the School of International Relations and Public Affairs at Fudan University Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 00:26 - Analyzing China's Role in the Middle East - Insights from an Expert 04:28 - China's Collaboration in Belt and Road Development 08:38 - Exploring China's Growing Involvement in Middle Eastern Affairs 12:44 - Spotlight on Current Middle East-China Relations 16:01 - The Rising Importance of the Middle East 18:42 - Examining US-Israel Goals, China's Concerns, and Global Impact 20:46 - Chinese Leaders' Perspectives on a US-Centered Middle East 24:07 - Unpacking China's Presence in the Middle East and Its Implications 27:44 - Proxy Warfare, Non-State Actors, and China's Dilemma Summarized 30:57 - Major Powers' Engagement with Armed Groups 35:26 - China's Preference for Bilateral Relations in the Middle East 39:58 - Debating the Interpretation of China's Regional Cooperation Proposal 41:19 - Seeking Flexibility: China's and Middle East's Mutual Goal 44:25 - Outro

Welcome to the China-Mena podcast, where we explore China's foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton and guest Kerry Brown discuss the domestic drivers shaping China's international engagements. They unravel the complexities of China's internal landscape, including the middle class aspirations and the impact of Xi Jinping's leadership. They also analyze China's growing influence in the Middle East, shedding light on its diplomatic decision-making and potential implications for the region. Join us for a thought-provoking exploration of China's foreign policy strategy and domestic underpinnings. Takeaways Quotes "It's strange how China tries to change public opinion while facing an image problem. People love their cuisine and kung fu, but the political system makes it challenging for them to win hearts."- Kerry Brown" Understanding China is complex, but it's crucial to find a balanced perspective in Western discourse."- Kerry Brown Featured in the Episode Kerry Brown Professor of Chinese Studies, and Director,Lau China Institute, King's College, London Linkedin: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kerrybrown Website: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/kerry-brown Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 04:47 - Concerns about leadership future raised by Premier's performance 08:23 - China's passive stance in world affairs 11:20 - Impact of changes in US leadership on China's strategy 15:22 - Reshuffling of China's internal priorities during the Trump presidency 18:26 - Chinese middle class's interest in international relations 21:05 - Summary of Evan Osnos' article on Chinese concerns 25:31 - Intrigue within the party and navigating power dynamics 27:35 - China's core interests defined as stability with internal link 31:51 - China's focus on regional stability and development 36:36 - China's dominance reshaping the world with little commonality 39:45 - Comparison of envy towards South Korean culture and China 43:10 - China's crucial role in the Middle East 45:27 - Taiwan's Unresolved Status: A Ticking Time Bomb 46:21 - Conclusion

Welcome to the China-MENA podcast. In this episode, host Jonathan Fulton discusses China's influence on the air domain in the Middle East and North Africa with guests Dr. Assaf Heller and Sarah-Masha Fainberg. They explore potential biases in analyzing China's strategy, its limited security role, concerns about its presence, and its strategic objectives in the region. Gain insights into the implications of China's expanding presence and its effects on military capabilities. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on this important topic. Takeaways Quotes "The Chinese influence in the Middle East should not be overlooked. It encompasses both strategic and operational impact, and we must consider it seriously."- Dr. Assaf Heller "China seeks to restore and preserve its position as a global power through a national rejuvenation journey." - Sarah-Masha Fainberg Featured in the Episode Dr. Assaf Heller​​ Colonel Reserves Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/assaf-heller-242323137/ Sarah-Masha Fainberg Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-masha-fainberg-phd-2602821a9/ Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 03:53 - Sophisticated Weapon Systems: Development and Transfer by China 07:54 - Balancing China's Strategic Objectives: The Key Challenge 13:42 - Shifting Stance: China's Evolving Role in the Middle East 17:03 - Arab and Jewish Political Influence: Examining China's Perspective 20:59 - Seeking an Unbiased Operational Perspective: Hope of Analysts 22:34 - Potential Confrontation and Implications: Israel-China Dynamics 28:08 - Military-Civil Fusion Concerns: Exploring the Chinese MCF Concept 31:42 - Technology and Arms Exports: Concerns over China's Influence 35:47 - Beto Satellites and Dual Technology Purpose: China's Approach 36:49 - Cooperation Agreements: Lack of Specific and Quantifiable Details 42:41 - Impact on Regional Security: Discussing China's Technological Influence 44:55 - Forecasting Advanced Technology and Arms Transfers by China 47:23 - Seizing Opportunities: China's Role in the Middle East 52:10 - Conclusion

In this episode of China-Mena titled "Performative or Substantive Engagement? China & Russia in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton and guests Dr. Li-Chen Sim and Mark Katz explore the growing collaboration between China and Russia and its impact on the Middle East. We unravel the complexities of Sino-Russian engagement in the region, discussing Russia's interests, China's role, and the influence of the Ukraine war. Join us as we navigate the evolving geopolitical landscape of this crucial region. Takeaways Quotes "There is room for negotiation and cooperation between the US and China, transcending any cold war-like conflict." - Mark Katz "Together, as a force multiplier, they amplify their interests and narratives in the Middle East, projecting greater collective power and influence."- Dr. Li-Chen Sim Featured in the Episode Dr. Li-Chen Sim​​ Political Scientist At Khalifa University Abu Dhabi United United Arab Emirates Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/li-chen-sim-3098035a/ Mark Katz Professor of Government and Politics, George Mason University--Schar School of Policy and Government Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-n-katz-0707b213/ Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 03:13 - Russian Weaponry and Reactor Sales: Driving Middle East Cooperation 10:01 - Amplifying Influence through Media Collaboration: The Force Multiplier 13:42 - Middle East's Perspective: Russia as Muscle, China as Financial Power 16:07 - Russia's Challenges as a Weapon Supplier: The Impact of Ukraine 19:06 - Changing Power Dynamics: China's Role in the Gaza Conflict 23:24 - China's Benefits from Russia's Non-Compliance with OPEC 28:14 - Prospects for Saudi Nuclear Energy Cooperation: A Realistic Outlook 30:08 - Middle Easterners' Support for Russian Influence in 2015 32:32 - US Concerns and Attention-Seeking in Response to Russia's Actions 38:48 - Acting with Diplomatic Considerations: Weighing Repercussions 42:08 - Inevitable Cooperation: China, Russia, and the Middle East 44:26 - Exploring Cooperation: Russia, Ukraine, West, and the Middle East 46:23 - Outro

In this episode of China-Mena titled "China and the Israel-Hamas War: A View from Tel Aviv," host Jonathan Fulton and guest Gedaliah Afterman engage in a compelling discussion on the intricate dynamics between China, Israel, and the ongoing conflict with Hamas. The conversation delves into China's evolving stance, economic interests, potential for mediation, and the consequential effects on China's emerging role in the Middle East. Join us as we unravel the complexities of this relationship and analyze its impact on regional dynamics. Takeaways Quotes "Trade between Israel and China is expected to continue, but the prospects of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) may be jeopardized by trust issues and concerns about doing business in Europe and the US." - Gedaliah Afterman "China's participation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be contingent upon its alignment with regional interests and its relationship with the United States."- Gedaliah Afterman Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Gedaliah Afterman Head, Asia Policy Program at Abba Eban Institute of International Diplomacy, Reichman University (IDC Herzliya) Guest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gedaliah-afterman/ Guest Website: The Asia Policy Program | Abba Eban Institute Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 00:09 - Understanding the China-Israel Relationship 03:42 - China's Ambitions for Mediation 07:14 - Exploring the Israel-China Tech Connection 06:37 - Analyzing Superpower Competition in the Israel-China Relationship 13:06 - Assessing China's Response to the Conflict 14:04 - Unveiling China's Stance: Anti-Israel Sentiment 17:44 - Examining the Impact on China-Israel Relationship 21:04 - Skepticism and Rhetoric Surrounding Israel-Palestine 25:40 - China's Role in Gaza Assistance 28:30 - China's Growing Influence in the Middle East 29:44 - Deliberating China's Regional Engagement Strategies 31:05 - Outro

In this episode, titled "10 Years On: China's Belt & Road Initiative and its Future in the Middle East," our host Jonathan Fulton delves into the current state of China's ambitious Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and its implications for the Middle East. Jonathan will analyze the recently held Belt and Road Forum, the involvement of various countries in the initiative, and the challenges and opportunities it presents. Get ready to explore the complexities of China's global infrastructure plan and its impact on the Middle East, as we discuss the geopolitical dynamics, competing interests, and potential alternatives to the BRI. Takeaways Quotes "The Belt and Road Initiative exemplifies China's ambition to reshape global dynamics, providing growth alternatives to emerging nations against the prevailing US-led order." - Yun Sun "Developing countries will continue to engage with China, but they need to negotiate for better terms and develop resilience against negative effects." - David O. Shullman Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton David O. Shullman Senior Director of the Global China Hub at the Atlantic Council https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-0-shullman-56a85a24/ Yun Sun Senior Fellow and Co-Director, East Asia Program, Director of the China Program, Stimson Cente rhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/yun-sun-62871729/ Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 02:29 Shaping Foreign Policy: China's BRI and the Global Order 07:04 Reviving Commitments: China's Renewed Focus on the BRI 11:07 Summit Dynamics: Sparse Western Presence at the Belton Road Summit 12:37 Emerging Axis: China's Intensified Focus on the Developing World 15:48 Geopolitical Chess: China's Quest for Influence in the Global South 19:06 Global Rivalry: China's Strategy for Garnering Developing World Support 24:40 Power Balance: India's Role in the Global Competition 26:08 Mission Engagement: Challenging China's Diplomacy in Africa, Latin America, and Asia 29:56 Resilience and Revolution: Offering Digital Alternatives to the BRI 34:19 Economic Endurance: BRI's Stability Amid China's Economic Slowdown 36:57 Strategic Partnerships: Gulf Countries' Economic Diversification with China 39:56 Outro

In this episode titled "The Gulf’s New De-Escalation Foreign Policy Among World Powers," our host Jonathan Fulton is joined by esteemed guest Mohammed Baharoon to discuss the shifting dynamics of Gulf countries and their foreign policies. From the focus on developmental issues and sustainable economies to the changing perspectives on security and power, our experts explore the implications and potential solutions to foster stability in the region. Join us as we tackle crucial topics such as the impact of China's presence in Africa, the concept of de-escalation as a security strategy, and the evolving landscape of international relations. Takeaways Quotes "There is no one-size-fits-all solution to resolving conflicts. Each situation requires a nuanced understanding and a tailored approach." - Mohammed Baharoon "Fostering access, connectivity, and de-escalation is the new approach to address security concerns, shifting away from military solutions" – Mohammed Baharoon Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Associate Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414bhttps://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Mohammed Baharoon https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohammed-baharoon-a870b424/ Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 02:02 - Shifting from Security to De-Escalation Strategy 05:28 - Abrahamic Accords: A Shift into Identity Conflict 07:59 - Cooperation for Addressing Cosmic Challenges1 1:58 - Asia's Expanding Concept: India and China Included 14:56 - Gulf Countries Facing Tough Choices in Geopolitics 18:31 - Trump's Masterful Attempt to De-Escalate Korea 20:11 - Prioritizing Local Development over Power Competition 24:33 - Japan's Tech Support for Gulf's Energy Transition 28:56 - Investing in Diversification for Energy Security 30:18 - Emirates' Growing Interest in Africa's Development 35:27 - Questioning the Necessity of African Economic Development 36:45 - Seizing the Early Opportunity in West Africa's Urbanization 40:15 - Creating Safe Spaces for Interaction and Conflict Avoidance 45:56 - Outro Produced by Heartcast Media www.heartcastmedia.com

In this episode, We embark on a thought-provoking journey into the realm of China's involvement in conflict resolution within the region. Your host, Jonathan Fulton, is joined by the insightful voices of Helena Legarda and Dr. Sanam Vakil. Together, they dissect China's strategic approach to mediating conflicts and its consequential impact on the Middle East. Amidst a landscape seeking fresh perspectives in conflict resolution, a pertinent question emerges: Can China wield transformative influence? As we navigate the intricate terrain, we invite you to delve into the nuances, obstacles, and potential avenues presented by China's mediation role in this dynamic region. Brace yourselves for an enlightening discourse that promises to reshape your vantage point on global politics. TakeawaysQuotes "Change awaits. Yet, for now, our reality is navigating these inner boundaries and encapsulated processes shapes our path forward." – Helena Legarda "Bridging the ambition-action gap can reshape the region, inspiring meaningful dialogues and enduring resolutions." – Dr. Sanam Vakil Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Helena Legarda Lead Analyst, Mercator Institute for China Studies(MERICS) In Berlin https://www.linkedin.com/in/hlegarda/ Dr. Sanam Vakil Director of Middle East and North Africa Programme, Chatham House https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanam-vakil-6b036b3a/ Chapters 00:12 - Introduction 01:59 - Global Ambitions: Mediation and Geopolitical Dynamics 08:17 - Economic Engagement: China's Rising Role 12:14 - Commitment Gaps: China's Mediation Challenges 14:23 - Tensions and Uncertainties: China's Role in Saudi Arabia and Iran 18:25 - Geopolitical Partnerships: China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia 22:51 - Limitations Unveiled: China's Struggles in Conflict Mediation 27:29 - Global Reach: China's Quest for Influence 31:52 - Unraveling Israel-Palestine Peace Plans 34:01 - Middle East's Reaction to China's Involvement 37:44 - GCC Tensions: China's Priorities and Missteps 40:24 - Iran's Concerns: Analyzing China's Rising Influence 41:22 - Outro Produced by Heartcast Media www.heartcastmedia.com

Explore China's prominent initiatives, the Belt and Road Initiative and the Northern Initiative, as we uncover their true intentions—funding and support or genuine global development. Our esteemed guests shed light on the Chinese Communist Party's approach and practical implementation. We examine progress support, capacity building, and knowledge-sharing efforts, including global development centers and vocational training programs. Join us to understand China's aspirations in shaping global governance. Addressing challenges and skepticism, this episode offers valuable insights for those intrigued by international relations and global development. TakeawaysQuotes "Embracing multilateralism allows us to foster multiple partnerships and engagements, resulting in a balanced world with diverse sources of strength."-Tuvia Gering "Amidst the shortcomings of US governance, China endeavors to reform global governance, striving for democracy, multipolarity, fairness, and justice." - Michael Schuman "Beijing remains steadfast, doubling down on their initiatives with unwavering momentum."- Michael Schuman Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Michael Schuman Nonresident Senior Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Council https://twitter.com/michaelschuman Tuvia Gering Nonresident Fellow, Global China Hub, Atlantic Council; Researcher at the Diane & Guilford Glazer Foundation Israel-China Policy Center at the Institute for National Security Studies https://twitter.com/GeringTuvia Chapters 00:09 - Introduction 01:53 - China's Global Initiatives: Shaping a New World Order 06:00 - Beijing's Ambitions: Altering the US-Led World Order 10:40 - Advancing Global Initiatives Amidst US Resurgence 13:23 - Empowering Influence: China's Growing Global Impact 18:21 - China's Foreign Policy Shift: Strengthening Ties with the Global South 20:05 - Embracing China's Offer in Global Development 24:18 - Offering an Alternative Development Model 31:58 - China's Initiatives: Balancing Rhetoric and Reality 35:54 - Promoting Democracy and Facing Challenges 39:40 - Check and Counter Check: Global Influence Battle 40:24 - Superpower Rivalry: Assessing Positive and Negative Impacts 43:21 - Outro Produced by Heartcast Media www.heartcastmedia.com

The US has been examining China's expanding involvement in the Middle East from various perspectives, both within and beyond the region. A major topic of discussion has been the strained relationship between China and the US, which is having a significant impact on the strategic landscape of the Middle East and North Africa. To provide us with insight into how the US government perceives China's media interactions in the region, We are joined by Dr. Julian Gewirtz and Chris Backemeyer.‌ They will discuss certain topics such as the priorities of the US in the region as well as the opportunities and challenges for the cooperation of China and US in the MENA region. Takeaways The Priorities of United States in the MENA region US perspective on China becoming a major player on geopolitics The diplomatic effort of China in the MENA region Opportunities and Challenges for cooperation of China and US in the MENA region The impact of China-Iran relationship on the interest of US in the region Quotes The US is in favor of any action taken by China or other countries to lower tensions, decrease conflicts or prevent destabilizing actions in the region. - Chris President Biden sees this decade as critical and has a strategy for China: invest, align, and compete. - Julian The fundamental U.S. goal of our foreign policy is a free and open and prosperous and secure world. - Julian Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Julian Gewirtz Deputy China Coordinator, U.S. Department of State https://twitter.com/JulianGewirtz Chris Backemeyer Deputy Assistant Secretary for Assistance Coordination and Regional and Multilateral Affairs, US State Department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs https://twitter.com/chrisbackemeyer Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:29 US priorities on MENA region 06:55 China as a global actor 14:03 US’s view on the China’s growing presence in the region 20:26 China’s role in the diplomatic outreach in the region 22:22 Challenges for cooperation between China and US 28:40 Assessing the impact of the bilateral of China and Iran 31:30 Cooperation for China, US, and Middle East on climate change challenges 36:34 Final takeaways from our guests Produced by Heartcast Media www.heartcastmedia.com

The United States and China are frequently brought up when discussing other regional powers in the Middle East, however, India also plays a role in the geopolitical dynamics within the region. With its long-standing linkages in economics, culture, and religion, India has long had a significant presence in the area. But as New Delhi has been interacting on political, diplomatic, and security fronts lately, this has taken a more strategic tone. In this episode, We are joined by Raja Mohan, a Senior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi. He will share with us his knowledge about India’s role in geopolitics in the Middle East as well as the perspective of New Delhi on the influence of the US-China tug-of-war within the region. He will also discuss India's relations with some states in the region and provide some insights about maritime security in the Indian Ocean and the growing influence of mixed cultures in the Gulf. Takeaways An overview of India’s interest in the Middle East and the shift toward the Gulf region New Delhi's Viewpoint on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle East The India - China relationship in the recent decade The geopolitical play of Iran, India, Pakistan, and GCC in the Indian Ocean The growing partnership between India and the Gulf The perspective of the geopolitical forces in Asia Quotes We'd rather have the Americans sit on our hands for good than the Chinese. - Raja Mohan India faces challenges from China's growing presence in the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean, where China has established relationships with key island states. This requires India to work with Western partners. - Raja Mohan Featured in the Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/ Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Raja Mohan Senior Fellow with the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi Profile: https://asiasociety.org/policy-institute/c-raja-mohan Twitter: https://twitter.com/MohanCRaja Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:25 An overview of India’s interest in the Middle East 09:11 India’s shift into the Gulf region 13:12 The I2U2 Group and India’s approach to the Middle East 15:34 New Delhi’s perspective on the India-US-China Triangle in the Middle East 21:04 The India-China relationship today 26:00 The assessment of the China-Iran relationship 28:53 The maritime security in the Indian Ocean 31:32 Geopolitics of Iran, India, Pakistan, and the GCC 34:52 India and the Gulf’s growing partnership 38:01 Integrating different cultures and people in the Middle East 40:20 Balancing Geopolitical forces in Asia 42:27 Conclusion Produced by Heartcast Media www.heartcastmedia.com

China's rise to power has led to discussions about whether the country will support or try to change the current international system. It is clear that China has both supported and been dissatisfied with certain aspects of the system. The country has demonstrated its preferences for a global order through initiatives such as the Belt and Road Initiative and the Global Development and Security Initiatives. To better understand the actions of China, we invited Nadege Rolland, is a Distinguished Fellow, China Studies, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. She will share an overview of the new 2 initiatives of China, the perspective of other countries towards China’s rise in the global economy, and if China will support the existing global order or not. Nadège Rolland is Senior Fellow, Political and Security Affairs, at the National Bureau of Asian Research (NBR), an American private think-tank based in Seattle and Washington, D.C. Her research focuses mainly on China’s foreign and defense policy, grand strategy, and the articulation of China’s vision for itself as a great power on the world stage. Takeaways China’s opposing view against the International Order The Global Development Initiative and Global Security Initiative of China The China’s narrative to the world as a rising power in the geopolitical stage China’s control and strategy in maintaining the power locally and globally Quotes China has been very worried and concerned about the Global order itself, because it really is antithetical to the principles under which the Chinese regime is being built. - Nadege This BRI is really a way to support a vision for a new world order that is China centric. - Nadege Where does the success of China come from exactly? and what constitutes this success? You will see that there's a lot to it, that it's more about the liberal elements that have allowed for China's success now. - Nadege Featured in this Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/ Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Nadège Rolland Distinguished Fellow, China StudiesThe National Bureau of Asian Research Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nad%C3%A8ge-rolland-00778085/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/rollandnadege Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:16 Global Order 07:38 China’s view against the Order 15:07 Overview of GDI and GSI 24:50 China’s solution to world’s fundamental problems 39:46 China’s political values 48:08 The Resilience and Adaptability of One-Party Rule in China This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media. https://www.heartcastmedia.com

China has made significant inroads into much of the global south, a trend that does not always receive adequate attention in the West. China's image in those countries has deteriorated in recent years, and there appears to be an assumption that this is universal. However, polling data from Africa and the Middle East show that China's reputation in the developing world is in much better shape. In today's podcast, we are joined by Dr. Lina Benabdallah. Dr. Lina Benabdallah is a Wake Forest University assistant professor of politics and international affairs. Her research interests include international relations theory, foreign policy, critical theories of power, past politics, and knowledge production and hegemony in South-South relations. Dr. Lina will provide an overview of China's influence in the Global South, as well as why China is viewed positively by African countries. She will also discuss how China gained positive impressions from Africans and how this affects the global stage. Takeaways Overview of China’s influence on the Global South The difference between Western perspectives and the Global South to China Africa’s positive impressions of China Position of Africans in the US-China conflict China’s influence in terms of relations and production Quotes Positive impressions and perceptions of China in Africa come from these tangible projects, goods, and infrastructure that people can use to make their life easier - Dr. Lina China is identifying itself as a member of the Global South family. This makes them more appealing to countries in the Global South, as well as a model for countries aspiring to be great nations. - Dr. Lina Featured in this Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/ Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Dr. Lina Benabdallah Assistant Professor of Politics and International Affairs at Wake Forest University https://linabenabdallah.com https://twitter.com/lbenabdallah Her Book: Shaping the future of Power, Knowledge, Production, and Network Building in China-Africa relations https://www.amazon.com/Shaping-Future-Power-Network-Building-China-Africa/dp/0472074547 https://www.press.umich.edu/10194365/shaping_the_future_of_power The Article mentioned: China's Soft Power Advantage in Africa https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/africa/2021-12-23/chinas-soft-power-advantage-africa Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:17 An Overview of China’s outreach to the Global South 09:10 Western perspective of China versus the perspective of the Global South 16:11 Reasons why China has positive impressions in Africa 24:13 Africans in the US-China conflict 35:58 Developing the social capital of Africa 45:06 Measuring China’s influence in terms of relations and productions 51:57 Professional approach to learning China’s influence in the Global South This podcast was produced by Heart cast Media. https://www.heartcastmedia.com

The fact that Middle Eastern countries' relationships with China are complicated has been a recurring theme throughout this show. Nothing is as simple as the headlines would have us believe. The Sino-Israeli relationship is particularly complex. Dense economic ties must be balanced against Israel's deeper and far more important ties with the US. While China does a lot of business with Israel, its international support for Palestine limits its political cooperation with the Jewish state. Assaf Orion, a senior researcher at the Institute of National Security Studies and the Director of the Diane and Guilford Glazer Israel China Policy Center in Tel-Aviv, Israel, joins us on today's podcast. He will speak with us about the dynamics of the China-Israel relationship and how it affects Israel as a state, as well as its neighbors and the Israel-Palestine relationship. Takeaways Overview of the Israel-China bilateral relationship Israel’s perspective of the Belt and Road Initiative of China The issue of Port of Haifa regarding the power struggle in the region China meddling in Israeli domestic affairs as well as the Israel-Palestine relationship Israel's perspective on China's MENA strategy Quotes China has started the Global Development Initiative which is a non-BRI, which tells us that BRI has been less successful - Assaf China is not a security guarantor in the Middle East yet China is an interesting business and infrastructure partner. - Assaf Featured in this Episode Jonathan Fulton Nonresident Senior Fellow for Middle East Programs at the Atlantic Council. Assistant Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Abu Dhabi Profile: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/jonathan-fulton/ Linkedin: https://ae.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-fulton-2627414b Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonathandfulton Assaf Orion Director, Diane & Guilford Glazer Israel-China Policy Center Israel’s Institute For National Security Studies (INSS) Linkedin: https://il.linkedin.com/in/assaf-orion-1b8274104 Website: https://www.inss.org.il/ Published Article mentioned in the show No, Israel Isn't Falling Into China's Orbit https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/No-Israel-Isnt-Falling-Into-Chinas-Orbit-Assaf-Orion-Mosaic-for-site.pdf Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:53 Overview of Israel-China bilateral relationship 09:02 China-Israel relationship, is it cooling down? 16:01 The BRI as a medium for Israel to connect with its neighboring countries 24:44 The port of Haifa linking to different Chinese-managed ports 31:03 China engaging in Israel’s domestic politics 36:58 Thoughts on China being a mediator between Israel and Palestine 42:53 Israel’s thoughts on China’s approach in the MENA region 50:20 Articles and resources This podcast was produced by Heartcast Media. https://www.heartcastmedia.com