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Boyd Matheson interviews national and Utah state thought leaders on the issues that are shaping our world.


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Boyd Matheson interviews national and Utah state thought leaders on the issues that are shaping our world.




Former Governor Gary R. Herbert on vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service

In a day when so-called leaders reign with iron-fisted, command and control, top-down approaches – Utah’s former governor says the fastest way to the top is bottom. Gary R. Herbert, who served 12 years as Utah’s 17th Governor shares vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service. Lessons every leader should learn on this episode of “Therefore, what?” Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at...


Robert Putnam and Shaylyn Romney Garrett on, The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again

America is more technologically connected than at any point in history. Yet, social capital seems to be in decline, political divisions run deep, communities are crumbling, and the country appears to be more narcissistic and fragmented than ever before. Robert Putnam, the Malkin Research Professor of Public Policy at Harvard University and author of Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community, and Shaylyn Romney Garrett, writer and founding contributor to Weave: The Social...


Former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy

When discussing foreign relations, national security, and America's role in the world, conversations tend to drift towards words like might strength, weapons, sanctions, and capability. What if that clearly narcissistic approach was actually making international matters worse? And what if the better approach was centered in empathy? Would anyone believe it? or listen to it? Former National Security Adviser HR McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy on this episode of "Therefore,...


Robert Doar president of American Enterprise Institute on the principles that lead to the American dream of opportunity and upward mobility

Many organizations have struggled in the midst of the pandemic. Think tanks and policy shops are the places where hallway conversations, events, and gatherings, are not just nice; they're absolutely necessary. Robert Doar, president of American Enterprise Institute (AEI) discusses how AEI is thriving, succeeding, and expanding its reach and influence even amid a pandemic. Beyond organizational success, Robert discusses the principles that lead to the most American of dreams; opportunity and...


True Criminal Justice Reform Begins with Accountability

Politicians and pundits love to talk about criminal justice reform and important progress has and continues to be made to root out racism and bias in law enforcement and sentencing. But according to a group of former long time felons and drug addicts who have over 400 arrests between them and over 150 years of combined incarceration, true criminal justice reform begins with accountability. True accountability they say is the essence of true compassion. Founder of The Other Side Academy,...


The Audacity of Abundant Creativity with Daniel Harmon

In a day of cutthroat competition, scarcity mentality, and zero-sum thinking, one advertising agency is doing it differently. Harmon Brothers chief creative officer Daniel Harmon shares a behind-the-scenes look at the principles that drive their unprecedented success and how they shared those principles in an extraordinary #PoopToGold contest. The advertising agencies' mindest and marketing tips are benefiting fellow businesses like the winner of the contest, GoTreads. Check it out on this...


Behind the Beginnings of "The Chosen"

In a world that is starving for content that is fitting for children in our homes, VidAngel has played a critical role, but not always a successful role through failures through opposition and through connection. They're creating something that is sweeping the globe, ironically a series focused on the life of Jesus Christ called "The Chosen," with a crowdsource funding mechanism and a pay-it-forward model. They are literally changing entertainment today. VidAngel CEO Neil Harmon joins us on...


Behind the Headline: McKay Coppins from The Atlantic talks about his article on The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter-day Saints

McKay Coppins, staff writer for The Atlantic, writes a front-page deep-dive feature on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He posits that for more than 200 years the church has tried to assimilate into America only to find the country in an identity crisis. Coppins takes a look at what the third century will look like for the faith. McKay joins us for a special edition of "Therefore What?" Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday...


Room Here founders on improving mental fitness in the workplace

Mental health struggles naturally spill into the workplace, especially in a pandemic, they affect job performance, engagement, communication abilities, and physical capabilities. All of these things impact businesses, individuals, families, and communities. One business is determined to take the “Mental Illness” conversation and turn it into “Mental Fitness.” Room Here is a nonprofit organization focused on mental fitness and healthier minds at work. Cofounders Trent Mano and Rachel Merrill,...


Transforming lives through higher education: BYU Pathway Worldwide President Clark Gilbert

As many institutions of higher education are struggling with the impact of the pandemic and disruption to centuries-old education models, one institution, BYU Pathway Worldwide, is growing at an extraordinary pace, reaching over 50,000 students in 150 countries. Clark Gilbert, president of BYU Pathway Worldwide, joins us to discuss how they are unlocking and unleashing human potential around the world on this episode of "Therefore, What?" “Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks...


A Look at Mr Rogers' Legacy of Letters with Court Mann

Texts, tweets, emails and social media messages drive our days. In the midst of a pandemic, more and more people are feeling disconnected, isolated and alone. Reconnecting and building meaningful relationships may only be one neighborhood away or one world famous neighbor away. Journalist Court Mann takes us inside the legacy of connecting personal letters from Fred Rogers, "Mr. Rogers" to thousands of neighbors he never met but who he touched deeply. All of that and more on this episode of...


For the Right Reason

In a cynical world where the motives of business and politicians are regularly called into question, is it possible to lead and live for all the right reasons? Learn 12 timeless principles for living a life of harmony with USANA CEO Kevin Guest on this special episode of "Therefore, What?" “Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks down the news, while breaking down barriers, challenges you and the status quo, explores timeless topics and timeless principles and leaves you confident...


Freedom from Politics

Labor Day is typically the beginning of the fall political season. This year, one prominent political organization is challenging the nation to stop talking politics for 24 hours and instead celebrate America. Find out more on this episode of "Therefore, What?" See for privacy information.


Is America Broken - Dr. Jim White

Our nation seems to be more fractured than ever before. The global pandemic has not served to unite Americans against a deadly common foe, the coronavirus, but instead we become further divided along political lines. Party lines, civil unrest and economic uncertainty have all created a broken America rather than work to heal the wounds. It seems that current political leadership as well as general discourse in the media and the American public is widening the gulf between us in terms of...


Moonshot Challenge: Our quest to quell the pandemic

Over the past four months, Utahns, Americans and citizens around the world have attempted to deal with novel coronavirus. States and nations have struggled mightily with what to do, what government mandates were needed or necessary and how to get individuals and communities to take appropriate action. It is time for citizens to come together for 55 days for a big challenge - moonshot big. From now until Labor Day join us for our 55-day Moonshot challenge: Our quest to quell the pandemic....


The case for Religious Liberty around the World - Gayle Manchin

Freedom of religion or belief is an expansive right. That includes the freedoms of thought, conscience, expression, association and assembly. In America, religious freedom is considered a first freedom. Yet it is not so around the world. And in many places, this core human right is the subject of great persecution. Today, we talked to Gayle Manchin, vice chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, on this episode of "Therefore, What?" See


Essentialism: The disciplined pursuit of less with Greg McKeown

Countless individuals feel overcommitted, overworked and overloaded. Many are exhausted by trying to do more. Guilt comparisons and attempting to have it all weigh heavy on hearts, minds and souls. Could the solution be found in doing less? The author of New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller "Essentialism" — Greg McKeown — joins us to explore the disciplined pursuit of less on this episode of "Therefore, What?" See for privacy information.


Cultivating generosity and making miracles with Rabbi Yehuda Gurwitz

A global pandemic, civil unrest and economic uncertainty have swept the nation. Despite such challenges more people are giving more than ever before. Rabbi Yehuda Gurwitz, CEO of, is out to make the impossible possible by cultivating a spirit of generosity. Join us for an inspiring conversation on this episode of "Therefore, What?" See for privacy information.


Everyone needs a "Shark" and a Mentor - "Shark Tanks" Kevin Harrington

Everyone at some point in their career needs a shark. Well, everyone needs a mentor to be sure. Kevin Harrington actually is both an original shark on the hit TV show "Shark Tank." Kevin knows what it takes to mentor entrepreneurs and individuals on the journey to excellence and ultimate success. Learn from this legendary entrepreneur on this episode of "Therefore, What?" See for privacy information.


Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich: Pandemic Lessons from Rome

It has been said that ideas go booming through the world like cannons, thoughts are mightier than armies and principles have achieved more victories than horsemen or chariots. Inspiring ideas, transformational thoughts and powerful principles are exactly what America and the world need in the midst of the novel coronavirus pandemic. So today we turn to one of the world’s great thinkers, historically principled idea guys and the ultimate policy entrepreneur. Former Speaker of the United...