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BONUS EPISODE: Ambassador Wendy Sherman and the Decline of American Moral Authority

As the U.N. General Assembly kicks off this week, Daniella and Ed sat down with Ambassador Wendy Sherman—the former under secretary of state for political affairs and the first woman to hold that post—to reflect on the most recent diplomatic goings-on in North Korea and Iran and how this administration has hamstrung American leadership abroad. As the former lead negotiator for the Iran nuclear deal, Ambassador Sherman discusses her new book, "Not For The Faint of Heart: Lessons in Courage,...


"Trump Is a Liar, and He Is Stupid": Dan Pfeiffer on Trump, Tweeting, and Political Climate Change

Dan Pfeiffer knows when to speak. As a former senior adviser and communications director for former President Barack Obama, Pfeiffer was once charged with shaping 44’s public voice and vision. Now, as a Pod Save America co-host and author of a new book, “Yes We (Still) Can,” Pfeiffer—like the rest of us—is still reckoning with how we went from the first black president to one that traffics in racism and fascism, and has white supremacists on his staff. He joined the pod this week to remind...


BONUS EPISODE: Jeffrey Toobin on Brett Kavanaugh’s #MeToo Moment

CNN’s Chief Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin joins Daniella and Ed to discuss the new sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. They draw on the eerie parallels to Anita Hill’s experience back in 1991 and look at how today’s #MeToo Movement might a foretell a different outcome. They also digest the plea deal Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, made with the special counsel and break down what it all means for the president. Finally, they look at the...


Are There Any Adults in the Room?

Nayyera Haq is asking the right questions. As a former White House and State Department official in the Obama administration, Haq knows what a functioning government looks like — and knows this isn’t it. In this episode, Haq taps her past life as a government official and joins Daniella and Ed to talk about the Trump administration’s foreign policy ethos (strategic pessimism), the anonymous New York Times op-ed (no big deal), and being a new parent (smelly). She also shares her thoughts on...


Jason Kander Goes Outside the Wire

Jason Kander is an army veteran, former secretary of state for Missouri, and founder of the voting rights advocacy group Let America Vote. In this episode, Daniella and Ed sit down with Kander to discuss his new book, "Outside the Wire: Ten Lessons I've Learned in Everyday Courage," and his position as a progressive in a red state. Daniella breaks down the political ad that brought Jason into the national consciousness—or, at least, into her consciousness—and Ed laments the foregone fate of...


How Brett Kavanaugh Will Provide Cover for Trump

Vanita Gupta, former head of the Civil Rights Division at the U.S. Department of Justice and president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, joins Daniella and Ed for our second episode of Season Two to discuss Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court, the lack of transparency throughout his vetting process, and what listeners can do to say “no” to his confirmation. She also speaks to his threat to the Voting Rights Act, as well as why President Donald...


The Biggest Enemy on Social Media Is the User

We're back for Season Two! On our first episode, former FBI special agent and counterterrorism expert Clint Watts joins Daniella and Ed to discuss the Russian disinformation campaign waged throughout the 2016 presidential election. He recounts how he researched for his new book—Messing with the Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians, and Fake News—by engaging with terrorists and terrorist sympathizers on social media. The conversation also touches on what...


Season 2 – Coming September 6!

Thinking CAP is back Thursday, September 6, with two new co-hosts: Daniella Gibbs Léger, senior vice president for Communications and Strategy at the Center for American Progress, and Ed Chung, CAP vice president for Criminal Justice Reform. This season, they will tackle some of the biggest questions at play in our democracy with the biggest names in politics, comedy, sports, and activism. Season 2 will feature interviews with Clint Watts, a former FBI special agent for counterterrorism;...


Ending the War on Marijuana with Sen. Cory Booker and Weldon Angelos (LIVE from Washington D.C.)

Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) and Weldon Angelos join Michele and Igor LIVE from Washington D.C. to discuss decriminalizing marijuana. Booker discusses his efforts in Congress to reform outdated federal marijuana policies that predominantly affect people of color, the drastic need for real sentencing reform, and the role activists must play to get this work done. Angelos shares his own experience with harsh marijuana laws—sentenced to 55 years for a first time offense. Booker also shares his...


BONUS EPISODE: Sharing the Mic on Gun Violence Prevention

Ryan Deitsch, a student activist from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, and Dejuan Patterson, executive director of the BeMore Group, sit down with Michele and Igor to discuss efforts they are both taking to prevent gun violence and how we can prioritize perspectives from young people of color in the conversation. Patterson shares his personal experience with gun violence in Baltimore, when after he was robbed and shot in the head, the police presumed he was the...


Ben Rhodes on the End of American Leadership in the World

Ben Rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for President Obama and author of “The World As It Is: A Memoir of the Obama White House,” joins Michele Jawando and Mike Fuchs to reflect on his years as a top adviser to the president. Rhodes reacts to the backlash over family separations at the border and responds to claims that the Obama administration had a similar policy. He also reveals the self-doubt President Obama felt after Trump's election and why Obama worried his presidency...


BONUS EPISODE: New Jersey’s Gov. Phil Murphy on Resisting Trump

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) joins Michele and Igor to discuss the progress his state has made—including passing equal pay and paid sick leave, pushing back against the GOP tax bill, and his decision to create a Cabinet as diverse as New Jersey—despite President Donald Trump’s efforts to dismantle progressive agendas. Also, Ben Olinsky, senior vice president of Policy and Strategy at CAP, joins to outline the Center’s big ideas for states, including overtime, a state Earned Income Tax...


Senator Richard Blumenthal's Take on Corruption

Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) joins Michele and Igor to discuss why he's suing President Donald Trump for corruption, his concerns over the AT&T-Time Warner merger, and his thoughts on Trump's judicial nominees. Blumenthal also weighs in on Trump’s concession on joint military exercises in his talks with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un earlier this week and explains why he thinks America and its allies aren't any safer after the summit.


BONUS EPISODE: Dumping on Democracies, Praising Dictators

For analysis of the North Korea summit, Igor is joined by two CAP experts and former top national security and diplomatic advisers in the Obama administration, Kelly Magsamen and Mike Fuchs. Magsamen and Fuchs believe the agreement is long on trust and short on details. They argue that any meaningful deal needs specific steps toward denuclearization and a plan to keep America and its allies safe.


Locking Up Our Own

James Forman Jr., a former Washington, D.C., public defender, Yale University professor, and author of the Pulitzer Prize winner and The New Yorks Times’ best-seller 'Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America,' joins Michele and Igor to discuss one of the unexpected enablers of mass incarceration: black residents in cities across America who overwhelmingly supported tough-on-crime policies throughout the 1960s and 1970s, resulting in disproportionate numbers of black men...


BONUS EPISODE: How RFK Became ‘the Patron Saint of Black People’

On June 5, 1968—50 years ago today—Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in Los Angeles, after winning the California presidential primary. Michele and Igor sit down with Dawn Porter, director of the new Netflix documentary series “Bobby Kennedy For President” to discuss Bobby Kennedy’s legacy, the tragedy of his assassination, and conspiracy theories that are still active today. Porter shares how RFK’s 1968 presidential campaign focused on bringing together a divided nation struggling through...


Maria Teresa Kumar on Efforts to Dehumanize the Latinx Community

Roseanne Barr is ultimately held accountable for her racist remarks, but President Donald Trump is not. Igor and Michele explore this hypocrisy and why some Americans are giving Trump a pass. Then, Maria Teresa Kumar, president and CEO of Voto Latino, joins to discuss the outrage over families being separated at the U.S. border. Kumar talks about how the Trump administration is dehumanizing the Latinx community, why it is so important that the Latinx population comes out to vote in 2018, and...


Breaking Down the Mueller Investigation with Chris Hayes

It’s been one year since special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed to investigate whether the Trump campaign worked with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election. Igor and Michele talk to Chris Hayes, MSNBC host of “All In with Chris Hayes” and author of The New York Times best-seller 'A Colony in a Nation', to get his take on the Mueller probe and why he thinks a Republican-led Congress won’t impeach the president regardless of what the investigation reveals. Hayes also...


Finding The Courage To Lead

At CAP’s 2018 Ideas Conference, Michele and Igor talk to Cecile Richards, former president of Planned Parenthood and author of New York Times best-seller “Make Trouble: Standing Up, Speaking Out, and Finding the Courage to Lead.” Richards talks about the importance of progressives uniting around issues of reproductive justice; her mother's political career; and her meeting with Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner after the inauguration. Then, CAP Senior Fellow Jocelyn Frye sits down with Valerie...


Why Won't America Invest in Its Teachers?

Teachers across the country are striking for higher pay and more school funding. Igor sat down with Oklahoma’s "Teacher of the Year," Jon Hazell, a high school life sciences teacher who is also a Republican. Hazell shares his experiences working in Oklahoma after decades of deep budget cuts, which require him and his wife to work five jobs between them in order to make a living. He also talks about his now viral confrontation with Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos on school choice. Lisette...