Both/And

Jared Janes & Jason Snyder reunite after 17 months of Both/And hiatus. In this wide-ranging conversation, they talk about what they've been up to and how their perspectives of the sensemaking/meta/liminal web have changed.

Jared Janes & Jason Snyder come back one more time to give awards to stand-out Both/And episodes. First, they talk about what they've been up to for the past couple of months and then get to the awards: Most Convivial, Most Intellectually Stimulating, Most Challenging to My Worldview, Most Star-Struck, & MVP. Along the way, they also make a bunch of honorable mentions. In this Episode of Both/And Award Winners#22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality with Jessica#37 Dancing with COVID with Sarah McManus#42 The Ever-Present with Jeremy Johnson#25 Horrorism & Culture with Zero HP Lovecraft#29 Reducing Suffering with Evan Sandhoefner#14 Paradigm Shifting with Erik Davis#19 Contextualizing the Spiritual with Jordan Hall#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe Brewer#41 Simpol Global Action with John BunzlMentionsDonella Meadows' paper, Leverage PointsTyson Yunkaporta's book, Sand TalkBoth/And Meets Growing Down#30 Aesthetic Embodiment with Rachel Haywire#4 Climate Change Adaptation & Meditation with Udita Sanga#24 Religion, Creativity & Deleuze with Justin Murphy#9 Analyzing Both And with Nathan Snyder#2 Memetic Mediation with Peter Limberg Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk about Both/And's hiatus, the sensemaking web, podcasting as a medium, memetic mediation, local community, going 'meta', spirituality, their friendship, COVID, contemporary Vajrayana Buddism, their political triggers, the meta/integral left, GameB, thank you's, the Both/And awards, and more. In this Episode of Both/And Jason's article, The Psychodynamics of Memetic Mediation Jared's new Podcast Jared & Charlie's Stoa Session Twitter QuestionsJoe BrewerThe Unsettling of America by Wendell BerryWhere the Crawdads Sing by Delia OwensSand Talk by Tyson YunkaportaThe Jim Rutt ShowThe Wright ShowJRS: EP63 Michel Bauwens on P2P & CommonsPart 1Part 2Aro gTér BuddhismCharlie AwberyUnified MindfulnessCuladasaGrowing Down PodcastJeremy JohnsonRyan NakadeB/A #42 The Ever-Present with Jeremy Johnson Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Leslie Rogers about what led him to start the Light Dark Institute, being in a sex cult, kink & BDSM, his dark awakening, personality & identity transformation, dark desires, the difference between light & dark personal work, orgasmic meditation & other influences on Leslie's practices, tantra, archetypes & deities, pleasure, healing & processing, triggering & mythopoetic power, tribal psycho technologies, nonduality, Jared's inner cynic, civilization collapse & catastrophe, death, pain as pleasure, humiliation, stoicism, and more. Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Jeremy Johnson about what led to his interest in Jean Gebser, the nebulosity of time, non-linear consciousness evolution & developmental theory, Gebser's poetic disposition & extraordinary writing style, the un-perspectival world, integral consciousness, the limits of intellect & complex abstraction, the ever-present, mythical consciousness, pattern & nebulosity, wholeness & the spiritual elements of Gebser's work, process orientation vs systemization, maps as living systems, comparing Gebser's view to Integral levels, the danger of meta-theories, the value of pop art, and more. In this Episode of Both/And Mutations PodcastJeremy's PatreonJeremy's book, Seeing Through the WorldLiminal MagazineThe Ever-Present Origin by Jean GebserThe Phenomenon of Man by Pierre Teilhard de ChardinThe Progress of This Storm by Andreas MalmJeremy's Side View article, Meta, ModernSmall Arcs of Larger Circles by Nora BatesonTwitter QuestionsFiguring by Maria PopovaSeeing That Frees by Rob Burbea Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with John Bunzl about why he started Simpol & how it enables global cooperation, his multi-issue approach to global issues, UN target failures, first-mover criteria, the democratic accountability strategy, partisanship, global pandemic preparation, efficiency vs resilience, power in metrics, cooperative competition, biomimicry in Simpol, Simpol's history & progress, the role of the nation-state, regional cooperation, diversity & locality, tyranny, getting involved, and more. In this Episode of Both/And (recorded 4/21/20) SimpolThe StoaTwitter QuestionsSimpol Policy Information PackThe SIMPOL SOLUTION Book Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk about humility, memetic mediation, Patreon goals & perks, acting from uncertainty, embodiment & trauma/baggage, map vs territory, individual vs group development, mindfulness, compassion, nonduality & enlightenment, tantric practice, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality & the limitations of intellect, the void, subtle sensations & the brilliance of the mundane, constructed cognition, what we're both concentrated on at the moment, and more. In this Episode of Both/And Both/And PatreonThe StoaJared's The Good, the True, the Beautiful SeriesTwitter QuestionsB/A: #39 Enabling Collaboration with Richard BartlettBodhidave TweetGuided Christian Centering PrayerRob Burbea Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Richard Bartlett about what led to his interest in group dynamics, quarantine in Italy, local vs digital collaboration, social enterprise, metamodernism & an action-oriented critique, rivalrous dynamics, the commons, experimentation vs abstraction, GameB, hierarchies, efficiency vs resilience, counter-cultural group dysfunctions, the economic purity delusion, mythopoetic cultural influence, the meta-tribe, memetic mediators & ambassadors, connecting elements of COVID-19, digital/complexity natives, creating digital communitas, and more. In this Episode of Both/And EnspiralLoomioThe HumMicrosolidarity.ccElinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A CommmonsOn Leaving the Church of Social JusticeJim RuttQueer EyeB/A: #37 Dancing with COVID with Sarah McManusTwitter QuestionJack MurphyMemetic Mediators SlackB/A: #22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality with JessicaRebel Wisdom: Predicting the Pandemic, Nora Bateson, Joe Brewer & Jim RuttThe Stoa Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Anna Gat about her background & the Interintellect (I.I.), the structure of I.I. salons & how they're adjusting to COVID-19, uncovering our true social needs in quarantine, local vs virtual community, unifying dynamics of global crisis, COVID paradoxes & artifacts, redefining extraordinary & genius, enabling constraints, adversity, governance, memetic mediation, our tribal histories, leadership, what Anna is working on now, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And The InterintellectAnna's article, Good LifeArticle on COVID Responsibility, You’re Part of History NowAnna's article, As We May AdultB/A #6 Thriving in Modernity with Euvie IvanovaRichard BartlettPeter Limberg Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Sarah McManus about her background, her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19, her ayahuasca shamanic apprenticeship in Peru, helplessness, emotional processing, the Bio-Emotive Framework, Buddhist practices & traditions, suffering, building & integrating new cultural platforms, reframing human development, pandemic fragility, learnings from Burning Man, dynamics of self-isolation, moving forward, chaos, order, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And Sarah's Roam PageTwitter QuestionsHuman Age on TwitterNeural Annealing: Toward a Neural Theory of EverythingClean Up, Wake Up, Grow Up with Ken WilberDoug TatarynAlready Free by Bruce TiftINVISIBILIA Podcast: The Reluctant ImmortalistStar Trek The Next Generation S1E2B/A: #35 Erotic Potential with Debby FridayNora Bateson on the Emerge PodcastGame BThe Context Institute - videos on cultural operating systemsSpiral DynamicsCollaborative "nucleation sites"Cultures and cultural platformsThe Circles MapsThe Egg by Andy WeirThe StoaAnis Mojgani performs Shake the Dust Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes & Jason Snyder answer Twitter Questions and cover bio-regenerational orientations, COVID-19 induced mindfulness, tragedy & transformation, emotional escape & capture vs wholistic engagement, pluralistic food systems, the potential of minority rule, the role of the curator, the fragility of capitalist systems, future forcing functions, collecting & utilizing mental models, kinetic & meta tribes, skin in the game, learning through failure, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, Jason & Jared's contemplative practices, and more. In this Episode of Both/And Twitter Questions#13 Problematizing Food Systems with Stephanie White#35 Erotic Potential with Debby FridayNassim Taleb on Minority RuleDonella Meadows' Leverage Points PaperDonella Meadows' Dancing With SystemsThe Patterning Instinct by Jeremy LentJim RuttJason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-InquiryJared's Guided Meditation on The StoaJared's Death Session on The StoaEmail Both/And Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with musician, artist & writer Debby Friday about reflecting in quarantine, how she sees the erotic as a lifeforce, embodiment & performance, COVID-19 impact on touring artists & what Debby has been doing while social distancing, cultural habit, virus as a ghost, death denial & death drive, tantric practice, creativity, pop music, the power of ritual, the church of social justice, evoking spirit & much more. In this Episode of Both/And Debby's Blog, CRACKING CLOSERDebby's Article, TOGETHER, ALWAYS TOGETHERSabina SpielreinDave Chappelle Acceptance SpeechINDULGE ME, VOID & AMOR FATI from BITCHPUNKFATAL from DEATH DRIVE Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Nathan Spears about his journey from religion to atheism and back again, Orthodox Christianity, modernizing religion, Vervaeke's four ways of knowing, the value of Christian language & story, bridging phenomenology & epistemology, the dynamics of belief, attention & intention, perennial philosophy, the body of Christ, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And Nathan on TwitterCognitive Science & the Sacred with Vervaeke & PageauGod & Relevance Realization with Vervaeke & PageauDominion by Tom Holland#15 Being a Baha'i Creative with Samah TokmachiThe Cloud of UnknowingThe Mind Illuminated by John YatesEnneagram of PersonalityHammering Hot Iron by Charles Upton People Mentioned: David Chapman, John Vervaeke, Daniel Thorson, Collin Morris, Jordan Hall, Guy Sengstock, Jonathan Pageau, Shinzen Young, David Bentley Hart Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder have a wide-ranging chat about their podcast supporters, how Both/And could evolve, informal vs formal spiritual practice, stream entry & the path of awakening, exploring perspectives of the 'self', embodied cognition, enactivism, memetic mediation, bioregional living, collapse, xenophobia vs diversity, the future of localism, psychological/cultural development, fluid politics, silence, vulnerability, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And Both/And on PatronTwitter QuestionsJason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-InquiryMind In Life by Evan ThompsonThe Side ViewPeter LinbergMemetic Mediation Slack Group#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe BrewerOODA LoopElinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A CommmonsJeremy Johnson#23 Integral Psych & Culture with Mark FormanThe Imperfect Buddha | Daniel Ingram on Integral TheoryThe Musing Mind Podcast#31 Conscious Evolution with Rob CobboldThe Jim Rutt Show Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Joe Brewer about the impact of conceptuality on perception & embodiment, the impossibility of understanding planetary collapse & what that means, getting lost in abstraction & duality, personal & ecological trauma, making & breaking conceptual frames, cancerous human thinking, the invisible regenerative revolution, the dynamics of coercion, top-down vs bottom-up regeneration, ecological succession, sustainable life-systems, acting bioregionally, and more! In this Episode of Both/And Cargo CultsDr. Zachary SteinThe Century of the SelfJoanna MacyTwitter QuestionsDonella Meadows' Leverage Points PaperJoe's Earth Regenerator Group Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Rob Cobbold about what led him to orient his life towards Conscious Evolution & what its core components are, the shortsightedness of antinatalism, spirituality & dualism, consciousness & ethics, limits of materialism & rationality, global governance, money, debt & interest, alternative currencies, societal flourishing, collapse & much more. In this Episode of Both/And Meta Twitter ThreadJohn StewartSex, Ecology, Spirituality by Ken WilberZen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M PirsigSimpol.orgRob's Curious Bodhi InterviewElinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A CommmonsJoe BrewerOpenCredit.NetworkEarfh.com Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, what led her to art & philosophy, the art right, her view of the memetic tribal landscape, the power of memes, her critique on Jared & Jason's meta tribe, the role & power of aesthetics, psychic fascism, the challenges & benefits of embodiment, pain & suffering, spiritual materialism, embodied VR, politics as aesthetic, tribal immune systems, memetic fashion, the 'NPC' meme, transgressive arts, and much more! In this Episode of Both/And Haywire2020.comTrigger WarningJason on Embodiment PracticeUnified MindfulnessThe Eternal RetreatTwitter QuestionsAvant DesignThus Spoke Zarathustra Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Evan Sandhoefner about what led him to utilitarianism & effective altruism, the flexibility of utilitarianism & some critiques, pluralistic virtue ethics, whether suffering is necessary & how it may affect animals & humans differently, whether we should remove wild predators to prevent animal suffering, creating unintentional animal suffering, consciousness, ethical meat production & factory farming, localism, universal explainers vs computers, intelligence, and more. In this Episode of Both/And GivewellDavid PearceDavid DeutschTwitter QuestionsThe Beginning of Infinity by David DeutschMind in Life by Evan ThompsonThe Ego Tunnel by Thomas MetzingerMetzinger & Harris Podcast: The Nature of ConsciousnessEvan's Blog Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with the Commercial Director of Holo/Holochain, David Atkinson. They cover what led David to the Holo team, systems thinking, biomimicry & evolution, the core elements of Holochain, how it compares to the blockchain, scalability, centralization vs decentralization, some potential impacts of this tech, its current phase of development, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And Holochain.orgHolo.host Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes

Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Paul Millerd about his career path, Jared's recent leap to self-employment, the incentives of benefits & healthcare, history of firm-based vs contract work, expectations of work & its connection to meaning & dignity, local community, the boundary between work & life, basic income, consumerism, GDP determined lifestyles, shared local commons, self-determination theory, the 40-hour workweek, the pathless path, work as service, complexity of teams & the role of chaos, and much more. In this Episode of Both/And Andrew TaggartIf work dominated your every moment would life be worth living?On Bullshit by Harry FrankfurtZachary Stein on The Musing Mind PodcastThree Sacred Beliefs Undermining Universal Basic IncomeDrive by Dan PinkTwitter Questions Support Both/And by becoming a patron &/or subscribing & reviewing us on iTunes Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us.