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OutsideVoices with Mark Bidwell


In OutsideVoices Mark Bidwell talks to remarkable and compelling leaders from the worlds of business, exploration, arts, sports, and academia. In these conversations he explores topics of fundamental importance to many of us today, both in work and in life, topics ranging from leadership and performance to creativity and growth.


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In OutsideVoices Mark Bidwell talks to remarkable and compelling leaders from the worlds of business, exploration, arts, sports, and academia. In these conversations he explores topics of fundamental importance to many of us today, both in work and in life, topics ranging from leadership and performance to creativity and growth.



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Charles Foster: One Man’s Search for Meaning: a Journey to the Origins of Consciousness

Charles Foster is an English writer, a traveler, a veterinarian, a taxidermist, a barrister, and a philosopher. Like my previous guest Steven Kotler, he believes in getting deep into subjects in a very immersive and experiential way. In his earlier book called Being a Beast, Charles shares his experiences of trying to live as an otter, a badger, a stagg, a fox and other animals and birds, all in order to better understand what being a wild animal is really like. His latest book is called Being a Human, where he and his 13-year-old son live in the wilderness as Paleolithic hunter gatherers to really understand what it means to be human. Charles rolls up his sleeves and puts himself into the shoes of our ancestors going back many thousands of years. And when asked why he bothers to drag himself and his children off into caves, he answers as follows: because I don't trust books, and you get a wholly different kind of knowledge by doing and feeling things. So this is a man trying to be a better human, a better father, a better son, a better husband, a man who dives deep into a subject in order to enhance his understanding of arguably the most important topic that faces us all. He's a traveler through time and space. Being a Human is a travel book, essentially, about traveling across generations, and Charles’s curiosity is infectious. What We Cover: Key Takeaways and Quotes: Resources and Links Mentioned: Being a Human: Adventures in Forty Thousand Years of ConsciousnessBeing a Beast: Adventures Across the Species DivideConnect with Charles FosterThe Snow LeopardThe Mind in the Cave: Consciousness and the Origins of Art Other Popular Interviews on OutsideVoices: Steven Kotler: Getting Younger with Age - Mindsets for Boosting Learning and FlowKevin Kelly: Raising the Bar - Excellent Advice, AI’s for Better LivingWade Davis: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in Today’s WorldBenedict Allen - Exploring Cultures Connect with OutsideLens: Subscribe to our free newsletterLinkedInTwitter


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Kevin Kelly: Raising the Bar - Excellent Advice, AI’s for Better Living

Kevin Kelly first appeared on this show back in 2016 to talk about his bestselling book, “The Inevitable”, which was a review of the key tech trends that were shaping our lives. Today, almost seven years later, I’ve been struck by how prescient a number of his predictions turned out to be back then, in particular around artificial intelligence, which we talk about in this episode. Kevin’s latest book is called Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I'd Known Earlier. This is a curated selection of aphorisms, which guide how Kevin lives his life, and which he was encouraged by his family to put together several years ago. It's a mixture of very practical, as well as quite counterintuitive, but nevertheless fascinating advice for parents, for children, and for grandparents. There are echoes of Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett, in emphasizing the importance of thinking long term, of deferred gratification, or of compounding, but there are also different ways of looking at the world, drawing from the work from James P. Carse and his “Finite and Infinite Games,” that guide Kevin and how he approaches things. Kevin has done a huge amount of travel and he shares with us how he thinks about traveling, and why he sees traveling as such an important activity for the youth to pursue. Towards the end, we talked about what his current projects and his future projects are, and he's embarking on a 100-year project, being enormously optimistic and positive about the future. What We Cover: 08:26 - Three types of travel and Kevin’s approach to traveling 19:49 - The idea of finite and infinite games and the parts of our society and systems that can be perceived as infinite games 23:24 - The paradox of generosity and why it works even if it seems counterintuitive in today’s world 30:19 - The value of rites of passage for the youth and how to recreate them in the modern Western society 34:03 - Where we are going next with the advancement of artificial intelligence 45:43 - Kevin’s 100-year project and why he is optimistic about the future Key Learnings and Takeaways: Travel is essential for growth - encountering the other and learning is one of the most powerful and transformative experiences for the youth that should be facilitated and subsidized on a national level The foundational paradox of our human societal collective existence is that the more you give, the more you get, that you cannot deplete your generosity and kindness. The thrilling adventure that the society is headed into right now is trying to elevate the AI's so that they're better than humans, even though we currently don't have a consensus on what ethics and morality mean that we could program into AI. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier by Kevin Kelly The Inevitable and other books by Kevin Kelly https://kk.org/books Connect with Kevin Kelly on social media @Kevin2Kelly Finite and Infinite Games by James P. Carse Kevin Kelly: The Formula for the Next 10,000 Startups, Failing Forward and Becoming a Teaching Organization on OutsideVoices Other Popular Interviews on OutsideVoices: Mohnish Pabrai: Cloning, Learning from Charlie Munger, 100 BaggersSteven Kotler: Getting Younger with Age - Mindsets for Boosting Learning and FlowRobert Cialdini: Pre-Suasion - How to Influence with Integrity Connect with OutsideLens: Subscribe to our free newsletterWebsiteLinkedInTwitterLinkedInTwitter


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Kevin Kelly on AI

In this short episode, I’m sharing an excerpt from my recent interview with Kevin Kelly. He's got a new book coming out in May 2023, called Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I'd Known Earlier. We’re going to release the full interview when the book is out, but in the meantime, it’s worth sharing with you some of Kevin’s insights into the topic of AI, which is one of the areas in which he is genuinely a world leader. Unless you've been living in a cave or under a rock, you're likely very interested in how AI technology is going to shape out - whether it is just one more iteration of the Silicon Valley hype machine, or whether this is something far more fundamental, something that threatens a number of our global institutions relating to democracy, to the economy, and to what it means to be human. Be sure to also check out my previous interview with Kevin Kelly, linked below in the show notes, as well as my recommendations of two other shows where you can learn more about AI. What We Cover: Key Learnings and Takeaways: Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Kevin Kelly: The Formula for the Next 10,000 Startups, Failing Forward and Becoming a Teaching Organization@Kevin2KellySam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GTP4, ChatGTP, and the Future of AIStratechery by Ben ThompsonMidjourneyDALL E-2Stable Diffusion Connect with Mark Bidwell: LinkedInTwitter


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Steven Kotler: Getting Younger with Age: Mindsets for Boosting Learning and Flow

I’m very excited to welcome back Steven Kotler, who’s been a guest on this podcast a few times before, talking about some of his books such as Bold, The Rise of Superman, and The Art of Impossible. He has written 12 books in the last 12 years, and his work has been very helpful for me not only in the corporate world, but also more broadly in life. Steven’s latest book is called Gnar Country: Growing Old, Staying Rad. Gnar, which is short for gnarly, refers not only to a very hostile environment in which he learned new action and adventure sports skills at the ripe age of 55, but also about the environment which at 55 you're operating in - the reality of getting old and some of the challenges associated with aging. We've talked about action sports, peak performance, longevity and a number of other topics, where Steven turned on its head some of the conventional wisdom around the psychological and physiological decline that accompanies old age, and offered an extremely optimistic view of how we can turn this around to our benefit. What Is Covered: Key Learnings and Takeaways: Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Gnar Country: Growing Old, Staying RadGnar Country Experiment VideoOther booksBreaking the Age CodeSteven Kotler: Hacking Flow – How to Make Outperformance a HabitSteven Kotler: The Art of Impossible – A Playbook for Impractical People in 2021Chip Conley: AirBnb, Modern Elders, Navigating the Midlife Crisis Connect with Mark Bidwell: LinkedInTwitter


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John Elkington: Green Swans, Exponentials and Super Wicked Problems

John Elkington is an advisor on sustainable development and corporate responsibility, an area he’s been working in for almost 40 years. He is the author of 20 books on this topic, and he has given a remarkable contribution to shifting capitalism and business towards a more balanced and sustainable path. We talk about his new book called "Green Swans: The Coming Boom in Regenerative Capitalism," we also talk about wicked and super wicked problems, exponentials, why he reads Chinese science fiction books, his visit with past guest Kevin Kelley and what he's both terrified of and excited about in the coming ten to fifteen year. What is Covered: - Who or what are ‘green swans’ and where the idea came from - Human struggle with exponentials and the role of technology in systemic change - Wicked and super wicked problems, and what is unique about them in today’s world - The issues with discounted cash flow in today’s economy - The role of young generation and why we need intergenerational cooperation to solve existential threats we’re facing Key Takeaways and Learnings: - The green swans are very often market or societal or political shifts. A company or an individual could play into those changing realities, but it’s not about individuals as such. - Super wicked problems, such as the climate emergency, make us see our future ahead of us, but we seem to be completely unable as a political species to address the challenge in a sufficient scale and with sufficient urgency. - Reengaging young people in a multigenerational and intergenerational battle for a systemic change at the right time and in the right way is a major opportunity in the next 10 to 15 years Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “Green Swans: The Coming Book in Regenerative Capitalism” by John Elkington https://www.amazon.com/Green-Swans-Coming-Regenerative-Capitalism-ebook/dp/B086BJF1FQ/ - Volans Ventures https://volans.com/ - Connect with John Elkington by email, LinkedIn or Twitter - “The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable” by Nassim Nicholas Taleb https://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Improbable-Robustness-Fragility/dp/081297381X/ - UN Sustainable Development Goals https://sdgs.un.org/goals - “Exponential: How to Bridge the Gap Between Technology and Society” by Azeem Azhar https://www.amazon.com/Exponential-Bridge-Between-Technology-Society/dp/B094DK3NG7/ - “New Rules for the New Economy: 10 Radical Strategies for a Connected World” by Kevin Kelly https://www.amazon.com/New-Rules-Economy-Strategies-Connected/dp/014028060X/ - “Out of Control: The New Biology of Machines, Social Systems and the Economic World” by Kevin Kelly https://www.amazon.com/Out-Control-Biology-Machines-Economic/dp/0201483408/ - “Ministry for the Future: A Novel” by Kim Stanley Robinson https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316300144/ - “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” by Thomas S. Kuhn https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Thomas-Kuhn/dp/0226458083 - “Regeneration: Ending the Climate Crisis in One Generation” by Paul Hawken https://www.amazon.com/Regeneration-Ending-Climate-Crisis-Generation/dp/0143136976/ - “Drawdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed to Reverse Global Warming” by Paul Hawken https://www.amazon.com/Drawdown-Comprehensive-Proposed-Reverse-Warming/dp/0143130447/ - RethinkX https://www.rethinkx.com/ - “The Wandering Earth” by Cixin Liu https://www.amazon.com/Wandering-Earth-Cixin-Liu/dp/1250796830 - “The Postman” by David Brin https://www.amazon.com/Postman-David-Brin/dp/B08GLSY8R6/ - “Dune” by Frank Herbert https://www.amazon.com/Frank-Herberts-Dune-6-Book-Boxed/dp/0593201884/ - Jim Mellon: Moo’s Law and Investing in Cellular Agriculture https://outsidelens.com/jim-mellon-moos-law-and-investing-in-cellular-agriculture/ - Kevin Kelly: The Formula for the next 10,000 Startups, Failing Forward and Becoming a Teaching Organisation ...


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Jack Weatherford: Genghis Khan's Lessons for the Modern World

My guest today, Jack Weatherford, is an anthropologist and author of several books, including one on money, a number on indigenous cultures in North America and beyond, and a revisionist and very thought provoking history of Genghis Khan, called “Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World.” Tom Morgan, who is a successful fund manager, described this book on Jim O'Shaughnessy's podcast Infinite Loops as the best business and investing book that he'd ever read. That got me curious, so I grabbed a copy, changed my mind about almost everything I believed about Genghis Khan, and invited Jack onto the show. In this conversation, rather than talking about investing, we explored the impact that Genghis Khan had on the modern world, how he introduced the rule of law, meritocracy, paper based money, religious freedoms and international trade routes. In fact, even though he was a genuine pioneer in many of these arenas, and this was 800 years ago, listening to the news today, it feels like we're going backwards in a number of these topics. What Is Covered: - How the practical side of Genghis Khan produced revolutionary cultural innovations - The role of Genghis Khan in the evolution of money - How the adaptivity of indigineous people can serve as an advantage in today’s world Key Takeaways and Learnings: - Governments are allowing for the development of digital currencies until these systems start to work, and then they’ll want to gain control over it. It’s not the technology, it’s the people. - There was nothing ideological about Genghis Khan, there were a lot of practical decisions, and we can learn from that kind of thinking, because it’s not tied to one religion or one way of life. It’s more adaptable. - Indigineous people are often better at handling crises and the skills of hunting and gathering can be better for the use of the internet than knowing how to farm. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “Genghis Kahn and the Making of the Modern World” by Jack Weatherford https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FCK206/ - Tom Morgan - Curation in the Age of Information Abundance https://www.infiniteloopspodcast.com/tom-morgan-curation-in-the-age/ - Mohnish Pabrai: Cloning, Learningg from Charlie Munger, 100 Baggers on OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/mohnish-pabrai-cloning/ - Wade Davis: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in Today’s World on OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/wade-davis/ - Anthro-Vision: Shifting the Perspectives on Business and Life with Gillian Tett https://outsidelens.com/gillian-tett-anthro-vision/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Jeff Booth: Deflation, Bitcoin and the Price of Tomorrow

Jeff Booth has been at the forefront of technological change for over 20 years. He founded a company called BuildDirect based in Vancouver, an e-commerce platform that was on its way to being a unicorn before he dramatically and suddenly left because, as he says it, his integrity was not for sale. When I first heard this story, I could relate to the emotional toll this must have taken on him, having been through something very similar, albeit on a far smaller scale. But I was also struck by how quickly Jeff bounced back, and the impact that he has had since then, be it with companies he’s founded, invested in or advised. Jeff and I talk about the arc of his career, his book "The Price of Tomorrow," as well as crypto and blockchain. Then we drop from macro-topics into micro-topics of how he chooses to spend his time amidst the many new opportunities that he sees in the world today. What We Cover: - The roots and disastrous consequences of inflationary monetary system - The “war” between the current monetary system and what exponential technology is bringing - Why digital currency like Bitcoin has the potential to mitigate the climate change and to contribute to a different economic system Key Learnings and Takeaways: - There is no way to solve inequality through an inflationary monetary system. An inflationary monetary system equals inequality. - In a world that is changing really fast, the advantage goes to people that are open to learning faster. - We need to have an incentive system based on truth, that can’t be changed by rulers, a system that incentivises cooperation. Digital currencies can play a significant role in creating such systems. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “The Price of Tomorrow” by Jeff Booth https://www.amazon.com/Price-Tomorrow-Deflation-Abundant-Future/dp/1999257405/ - Jeff Booth’s Website https://www.jeffreybooth.com/ - Connect with Jeff Booth on Twitter https://twitter.com/JeffBooth - Terramera https://www.terramera.com/ - Cubic Farms https://cubicfarms.com/ - Addy https://www.addyinvest.com/ - NocNoc https://nocnoc.com/ - “Swag: Alternative Investments for the Coming Decate” by Joe Roseman ​​https://www.amazon.com/Swag-Alternative-Investments-Coming-Decade/dp/1781485186/ - Eric Jorgenson: Leverage, Permissionlessness and Naval’s Book of Wisdom on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/eric-jorgenson/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Dorie Clark: Playing The Long Game

My guest this week is Dorie Clark, a consultant and keynote speaker, who teaches executive education at Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business and Columbia Business School, and she is the author of “The Long Game,” “Entrepreneurial You,” and “Stand Out.” A frequent contributor to the Harvard Business Review, she consults and speaks for clients including Google, Microsoft, and the World Bank. Dorie’s latest book "The Long Game" caught my attention because it touches on themes such as compounding, and not in the traditional financial sense, but compounding of expertise, of brand and of content. It also explores why it is so important and also so hard to play the long game, and how to stay in the game despite the inevitable challenges. We also talk about her business model and how it has evolved over the years. What We Cover: - The Long Game framework for strategic thinking in business and life - What gets in the way of the Long Game and why so few people apply it - The power of compounding and why it’s so hard to understand it on a visceral level - What “choosing to to be bad” means and how it affects the Long Game - How to “optimise for interesting” in today’s fast-changing world Key Takeaways and Learnings: - There is a consensus that strategic thinking is important, yet there is a big gap in implementation and very few people apply it despite the obvious benefits of playing the Long Game - Preconditions for playing the Long Game are creating more whitespace for strategic thinking, focusing on the right goals and keeping the faith - cultivating persistence and resilience - In our culture, there is a polarity between optimising for money and optimising for passion. Optimising for interesting is a third way that is kinder and healthier for our life and business paths Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “The Long Game: How to be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World” by Dorie Clark https://dorieclark.com/longgame/ - Dorie Clark’s website https://dorieclark.com/ - The Long Game Free Self-Assessment https://dorieclark.com/thelonggame/ - Recognized Expert™ Course by Dorie Clark https://learn.dorieclark.com/courses/expert - The Long Now Foundation https://longnow.org/ - “The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World” by Roman Krznaric https://www.romankrznaric.com/good-ancestor - “Uncommon Service” by Frances Frei and Anne Morriss http://uncommonservice.com/ - “Pain Free: A Revolutionary Method for Stopping Chronic Pain” by Pete Egoscue https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/675597/pain-free-revised-and-updated-second-edition-by-pete-egoscue/ - The Weekly Dish by Andrew Sullivan on Substack https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/ - Common Sense with Bari Weiss on Substack https://bariweiss.substack.com/ - It Bears Mentioning by John McWhorter on Substack https://johnmcwhorter.substack.com/ - Joel Greenblatt: The Common Sense of Long-Term Investing on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/joel-greenblatt-the-common-sense-of-long-term-investing/ - Wade Davis: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in Today’s World on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/wade-davis/ - Chris Rainier and Olivia McKendrick: The Race to Save Cutlural and Intellectual Diversity on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/chris-rainier-olivia-mckendrick-the-race-to-save-cultural-and-intellectual-diversity/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Eric Jorgenson: Leverage, Permisionlessness and Naval’s Book of Wisdom

Eric Jorgenson is an investor, business builder, startup growth strategist and the author of "The Almanack of Naval Ravikant". He also runs the online Leverage Course which I’m attending right now. In this conversation, we discuss both Naval Ravikant’s wisdom, why and how Eric curated it into a book that I highly recommend, as well as how the Leverage Course came about. They don't teach you this kind of material in business schools or in any executive development or leadership programs. And yet, I would have loved to have had access to this kind of material 15 or 20 years ago. I firmly believe that many of these tools, models and insights are going to be fundamental for surviving and thriving in the world we live in. We also explored areas such as WEB03, crypto and the concept of permissionlessness. A number of projects that I'm actively working on today owe quite a lot of their design and the momentum behind them to Eric and his materials. What is Covered: - How the idea to curate Naval Ravikant’s reflections into a book came about and the results it produced - The concept of premissionlessness and who are the gatekeepers in today’s world - The mental model of leverage and how to reinvest in leverage - WEB03 and its impact on future society Key Takeaways and Learnings: - There's a lot of ways to earn money if you unbundle the concept of a career, and all you're trying to do is get money in the most suitable way possible for your particular set of tastes and interests - Permissionlessness is an important concept to embrace, because the Internet of meritocracy and WEB03 technology is making opportunity more global and more universally available by the day. - You can continually reinvest in leverage and go from 1x productivity to 10x or to 100x productivity. This type of leverage is not leverage over somebody. We are all somebody else's leverage, this is a mutually beneficial agreement between all of us that results in consumer surplus Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - Almanck of Naval Ravikant: A Guide to Wealth and Happiness, by Eric Jorgenson https://www.navalmanack.com/ - Leverage Course by Eric Jorgenson https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage - Connect with Eric Jorgenson on Twitter https://twitter.com/ericjorgenson - Principles: Life and Work by Ray Dalio https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Life-Work-Ray-Dalio/dp/1501124021 - How Not How: The Formula to Achieve Bigger Goals Through Accelerating Teamwork, by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin Hardy https://www.amazon.com/Who-Not-How-Accelerating-Teamwork/dp/B08KYKR23H/ - Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital, by Carlota Perez https://www.amazon.com/Technological-Revolutions-Financial-Capital-Dynamics/dp/1843763311/ - The Infinite Machine: How an Army of Crypto-Hackers is Building the Next Internet with Ethereum https://www.amazon.com/Infinite-Machine-Crypto-Hackers-Building-Internet/dp/B07XJ7WKXL/ - Drug Cartels, Vanguard and Goldman Sachs with Codie Sanchez on Jorgenson’s Soundbox Podcast https://www.ejorgenson.com/podcast/drug-cartels-vanguard-goldman-sachs-codie-sanchez - Into the DAO with Simon Judd: How Index Coop is Building Crypto Index Products on Jorgenson’s Soundbox Podcast https://www.ejorgenson.com/podcast/into-the-dao-with-simon-judd-how-index-coop-is-building-crypto-index-products - WaitButWhy and G64 Co-Founder Andrew Finn on How to Acquire a Free Company on Jorgenson’s Soundbox Podcast https://www.ejorgenson.com/podcast/waitbutwhy-co-founder-andrew-finn-on-how-to-acquire-a-free-company - Chris Dixon and Naval Ravikant — The Wonders of Web3, How to Pick the Right Hill to Climb, Finding the Right Amount of Crypto Regulation, Friends with Benefits, and the Untapped Potential of NFTs on The Tim Ferris Show https://tim.blog/2021/10/28/chris-dixon-naval-ravikant/ - Bankless Podcast http://podcast.banklesshq.com/ - Mohnish Pabrai: Cloning, Learning from Charlie Munger, 100 Baggers on OutsideVoices Podcast...


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Jim Mellon: Moo’s Law and Investing in Cellular Agriculture

My guest Jim Mellon is an accomplished investor, entrepreneur, author and philanthropist. His most recent book called "Moo's Law" focuses on the investment opportunities in the field of cellular agriculture, which is a production of proteins and materials directly from stem cells. Jim Mellon co-founded Agronomics to invest in a portfolio of leading companies in this sector, as he is its largest investor. In this conversation, we dig into this new area, we talk about the case for change, the challenges and opportunities, some of the people, and some of the nations that are driving and supporting these forward thinking cell-ag companies. What We Cover: - How Jim developed his interest in biotech, longevity and cellular agriculture - Why industrial agriculture needs to change and what cell-ag offers to the world - The concepts of Moo’s Law and griddle parity - Which different categories of industry cellular agriculture are disrupting and revolutionising - The current state of cell-ag markets and products, and why Middle Eastern countries are faster to adopt this new industry - What challenges are facing the ramp up of cell-ag - The attractive characteristics of cell-ag companies for investors - When we can expect cell-ag meat and fish to enter the European and US markets on larger scale Key Learnings and Takeaways: - Moo's law suggests that as scale increases in the manufacture of foods in laboratory conditions, the efficiency will go up and the price will come down - Food-insecure countries such as Middle Eastern countries which import most of their food, will provide a model for implementing cell-ag for larger markets, such as the UK, EU and USA - The challenges facing cell-ag industry are performance of the stem cell lines on massive scale, using animals to continually provide more stem cells, and the execution of startup companies in this field Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - Agronomics https://agronomics.im/ - Juvenescence https://www.juvlabs.com/ - ‘Moo’s Law: An Investor’s Guide to the New Agrarian Revolution’ by Jim Mellon https://mooslawbook.com/ - 'Juvenescence: Investing in the Age of Longevity' by Jim Mellon https://www.amazon.com/Juvenescence-Investing-longevity-Mellon-Jim/dp/0993047815/ - 'Cracking the Code: Understand and Profit from the Biotech Revolution That Will Transform Our Lives and Generate Fortunes' by Jim Mellon https://www.amazon.com/Jim-Mellon/dp/1119963184/ - Blue Nalu https://www.bluenalu.com/ - Ivy Farm Technologies https://www.ivy.farm/ - Mohnish Pabrai: Cloning, Learning from Charlie Munger, 100 Baggers on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/mohnish-pabrai-cloning/ - Joel Greenblatt: The Common Sense of Long-Term Investing on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/joel-greenblatt-the-common-sense-of-long-term-investing/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Mohnish Pabrai: Cloning, Learning from Charlie Munger, 100 Baggers

My guest in this episode is Mohnish Pabrai, who I first met at the Berkshire Hathaway AGM in 2014 in Omaha, Nebraska. Mohnish is the Founder and Managing Partner of Pabrai Investment Funds and the author of "The Dhandho Investor," which is just as useful if you're interested in learning about investing as it is for entrepreneurs. He was featured in William Green's recent book "Richer, Wiser, Happier," which William discussed in one of the previous episodes of this podcast. Mohnish plays bridge with Charlie Munger, and he's a shameless cloner. He describes what being a cloner means and how he thinks about investing, how he learns from others and how he changed his mind about business, investing, COVID and many other things. What Is Covered: - Mohnish’s family background and what he learned about business from his parents - How Mohnish discovered Warren Buffett and decided to clone his approach to investing - Why there are not many cloners in the worlds of investment and business - Examples of cloners among the biggest companies in the world - The investing lessons learned from the dotcom boom and bust - The concept of 100 baggers and how mindset plays a crucial role in investing - What he has learned from getting to know Charlie Munger Key Learnings and Takeaways: - Most humans have an aversion to cloning; 2-3% have quirky wiring and are aggressive about cloning, and 95-97% don't care about it - when they identify something interesting that someone else is doing, they believe the opportunity is over. - The Holy Grail of investing is to own a business with favorable economics, bought at a reasonable price and held for a very long time, with some good growth engines. - The error rate in the investing business is very high; if each time something goes wrong we zoom in to get lessons, many times we are going down rabbit holes that are not productive. We need to learn when we stumble, but not learn too much. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - Pabrai Investment Funds https://pabraifunds.com/ - Mohnish Pabrai's Website http://www.chaiwithpabrai.com/ - “The Dhandho Investor: The Low-Risk Value Method to High Returns” by Mohnish Pabrai https://www.amazon.com/Dhandho-Investor-Low-Risk-Method-Returns/dp/047004389X - “Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders” by Warren Buffet https://www.amazon.in/Berkshire-Hathaway-Letters-Shareholders-1/dp/0615975070 - “Nomad Investment Partnership Letters to Partners by Nick Sleep and Qais Zakaria https://igyfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Full_Collection_Nomad_Letters_.pdf - “100 to 1 in the Stock Market: A Distinguished Security Analyst Tells How to Make More of Your Investment Opportunity” by Thomas William Phelps https://www.amazon.co.uk/100-Stock-Market-Distinguished-Investment-ebook/dp/B09BNRXZJ4/ - “Richer, Wiser, Happier: How to World’s Greatest Investors Win in Markets and Life” by William Green https://www.amazon.co.uk/Richer-Wiser-Happier-Greatest-Investors-ebook/dp/B08FXTLBH2/ - William Green: Richer, Wiser and Happier on OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/richer-wiser-happier-practical-wisdom-from-some-of-the-worlds-greatest-investors/ - Joel Greenblatt: The Common Sense of Long-Term Investing on OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/joel-greenblatt-the-common-sense-of-long-term-investing/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Chris Yeh: Blitzscaling and Lifelong Learning

Chris Yeh is an entrepreneur, investor and author of several books, including two with the founder of LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman, the most recent of which is called "Blitzscaling." Today we cover the fascinating topic of blitzscaling - how to scale a business in record time, how to take advantage of significant market opportunities that are in front of you, how to focus on distribution, and leverage network effects. Whether you're a founder, a CEO, an investor in early stage companies, a developer, or leading a business unit or a function in a large organisation which might be at risk of going ex-growth, you’ll learn valuable lessons from a lifelong learner such as Chris Yeh. What is Covered: - The definition of blitzscaling: prioritising speed over efficiency in the environment of uncertainty - What kind of companies can blitzscale and in what kind of markets - Key growth factors and key growth limiters in blitzscaling - The counterintuitive rules of blitzscaling and what kind of CEO it requires - Examples of the companies which successfully blitzscaled Key Learnings and Takeaways: - A company would decide to blitzscale if it is facing a winner take most market that could be worth billions or trillions of dollars, and the company’s objective should be to win that market. - In blitzscaling, product market fit is necessary but insufficient; necessary, because without product market fit, you can't have sustainable success, but insufficient, because other things like the winner take most market and the distribution are ultimately more important. - The reason to raise the money is not to spend it, but to give you that ability to adapt, and then ultimately to move faster when the time comes. - The main danger for entrepreneurs is getting caught up in a local market that is not large enough to give them a stable position within the overall global economy. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “Blitzscaling: The Lightning-Fast Path to Building Massively Valuable Companies” by Reid Hoffman and Chris Yeh https://www.blitzscaling.com/ - “The Alliance: Managing Talent in the Networked Age” by Reid Hoffman, Ben Casnocha and Chris Yeh https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Managing-Talent-Networked-Age/dp/1625275773 - “The Lean Startup: How Today’s Entrepreneurs Use Continuous Innovation to Create Radically Successful Businesses” by Eric Ries https://www.amazon.com/The-Lean-Startup-Eric-Ries-audiobook/dp/B005MM7HY8/ - Blitzscaling Ventures https://www.blitzscalingvc.com/ - Blitzscaling Academy https://www.blitzscalingacademy.com/ - Chris Yeh Podcast https://anchor.fm/chris-yeh-podcast - Chris Yeh Website https://chrisyeh.com/ - Greylock Partners https://greylock.com/ - Greymatter Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/greymatter/id1089013200 - Sahar Hashemi OBE: Anyone Can Do It - Sahar’s Remarkable Entrepreneurial Journey on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/anyone-can-do-it-sahars-remarkable-entrepreneurial-journey/ - Safi Bachall: Loonshots - Innovation Through the Lens of a Physicist on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/safi-bachall-loonshots-innovation-though-the-lens-of-a-physicist/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Gillian Tett: Anthro-Vision - Shifting the Perspectives on Life and Business

It's a great pleasure to welcome back Gillian Tett, who chairs the Editorial Board in the US for the Financial Times. She has a regular column at FT, writing about finance, business and the political economy. Gillian’s work is all about looking at the world through different lenses, and moving from tunnel vision to lateral vision. It’s about leveraging diversity, embracing the unknown, and learning from others in non-related fields, cultures, and geographies. In this interview, we talk about her new book, "Anthro-Vision: A New Way to See in Business and Life," and we cover a lot of topics from an anthropological perspective. We also talk about controversial topics like Bitcoin and Trumpism, as well as more enduring issues like leadership, and what that looks like in this VUCA world that we live in. So whether you're a business leader, a policy maker, an investor, or even just a parent worrying about how your kids appear to be over-reliant on technology, I hope you will find this conversation as fascinating and inspirational as I did. What Is Covered: - The three principles of the anthropology mindset and what being an anthropologist means in the corporate world - How the concept of barter and social silences plays out in the world of AgTech and “free” services - Why teenagers are glued to their cell phones and what kind of needs in physical space the cyberspace is fulfilling - The concept of fast and slow money, and people’s behaviours around money - Understanding Trumpism from an anthropological perspective - How Bitcoin and cryptocurrency tribes are changing the economy and the power structures Key Takeaways and Learnings: - Barter trade terms in the world of AgTech need to be reset to make it more equitable, giving a lot more transparency to consumers, giving consumers more control over the duration of the trade, and creating data portability. - The four skills that anthropology can offer to any leader are the ability to have empathy for difference, to flip the lens and look back at yourself with a sense of humility, the ability to look outside the model, and to recognize that we need to think about people's human behavior and how culture matters. - Cultural phenomena like Balinese cockfighting rituals are a good way to make sense of Trumpism, and of what's happening with Elon Musk and Bitcoin in terms of defining tribal groups, the role of rituals and symbols, and the role the emotions play Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “Anthro-Vision: A New Way to See in Business and Life” by Gillian Tett https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Anthro-Vision/Gillian-Tett/9781982140960 - Connect with Gillian Tett on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillian-tett/ and Twitter https://twitter.com/gilliantett - Data & Society https://datasociety.net/ - ReD Associates https://www.redassociates.com/ - “The Interpretation of Cultures” by Clifford Geertz https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465097197/ - Why Anthropologists are More Interested in Bitcoin Than Economists, by Mick Morucci https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/anthropologists-are-interested-in-bitcoin - “Who Can You Trust” by Rachel Botsman https://rachelbotsman.com/books/ - The Conversation https://theconversation.com/global - Colliding with the Unexpected with Gillian Tett on OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/colliding-with-the-unexpected-with-gillian-tett/ Connect with Mark Bidwell: - LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidwell/ - Twitter https://twitter.com/markehb


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Joel Greenblatt: The Common Sense of Long-Term Investing

Joel Greenblatt is arguably one of the best investors in the world. He is a Managing Partner at Gotham Asset Management, an investment firm he founded in 1985. He has spent more than two decades teaching at Columbia Business School, and he's the author of five books focused on investment strategy, including "You Can be a Stock Market Genius," "The Little Book that Beats the Market," as well as his most recent book, called "Common Sense: The Investor's guide to Equality, Opportunity and Growth." In this conversation, we talk about what's changed and what remained the same in value investing specifically, and more broadly in investing in general. We also talk about how important it is to keep learning, both from wiser, more experienced and often older people, as well as from the next generation. In addition, we touch on the advantage that individual investors have over professional investors, and our ability to think and act with a long-term perspective. What Is Covered: - How Joel’s investing philosophy has evolved over the years - “The Magic Formula”, why it still works, and why it is hard for people to follow it - The value of a long-term perspective in investing, Joel’s projects in education and charter schools for kids from low-income and minority communities - How the internet and network effects have changed the world of business, and why we’re seeing some of the best businesses that have ever existed Key Takeaways and Learnings: - The importance of accumulating and compounding experience, learning from other people’s mistakes, and reading a lot; one of the biggest elements of investing is recognising an outsized opportunity when you see it, and if you see something great, taking advantage of it. - The returns are very noisy; you could go one or two years underperforming the market, and then make a lot of money in year three or four that made up for it. People aren't very patient, especially if they’re blindly just following a formula. - Individual investors have an advantage, because they don't have the pressure of their performance being viewed every day, and they can invest and think in private. - At any time, if you get your stuff together, there's an ecosystem outside your current system that will let you learn. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - Common Sense: The Investor’s Guide to Equality, Opportunity and Growth, by Joel Greenblatt https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Investors-Equality-Opportunity/dp/B08HHFJLH7 - The Little Book that Still Beats the Market, by Joel Greenblatt https://www.amazon.com/Little-Still-Market-Books-Profits-ebook/dp/B003VWCQB0/ - The Big Secret for the Small Investor: A New Route for Long-Term Investment Success, by Joel Greenblatt https://www.amazon.com/Big-Secret-Small-Investor-Investment-ebook/dp/B0051BLTJO/ - Outliers: A Story of Success, by Malcolm Gladwell https://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017930 - The Good Ancestor: A Radical Prescription for Long-Term Thinking, by Roman Krznaric https://www.amazon.com/Good-Ancestor-Think-Long-Term-Short-Term/dp/1615197303 - Poor Charlie’s Almanack: The Wit and Wisdom of Charlie T. Munger https://www.amazon.com/Poor-Charlies-Almanack-Charles-Expanded/dp/1578645018 - Cable Cowboy: John Malone and the Rise of the Modern Cable Business https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Cowboy-Mark-Robichaux-audiobook/dp/B07YVNMKXS/ - William Green: Richer, Wiser and Happier on the OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/richer-wiser-happier-practical-wisdom-from-some-of-the-worlds-greatest-investors/ - Robert Hagstrom: The Return on Investment of Mental Models on The OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/the-return-on-investment-of-mental-models-with-robert-hagstrom/ - Brad Feld: When Big and Small Make Great on The OutsideVoices Podcast https://outsidelens.com/when-big-and-small-make-great-with-brad-feld/ - OutsideVoices Podcast - Summary of Guests:...


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Richer, Wiser, Happier: Practical Wisdom From Some of the World’s Greatest Investors

William Green is a journalist and author, who has written for many leading publications in the US and Europe, including The New Yorker, Fortune, Forbes, Fast Company, Money, The Economist, and others. He has interviewed presidents and prime ministers, inventors, criminals, prize-winning authors, the CEOs of some of the world’s largest companies, and countless billionaires. William’s most recent book is "Richer, Wiser, Happier,” where he draws on interviews that he’s conducted over twenty-five years with many of the world’s greatest investors. He spent time with time with people like Sir John Templeton, Joel Greenblatt, Nick Sleep, Mohnish Pabrai, and Charlie Munger, and distilled for the readers what it is that we can take away from their disciplines, their mindsets, their habits, and day to day activities, that we can apply in other walks of life beyond financial management. What Is Covered: - Why we can regard the world’s greatest investors as practical philosophers - The connection between resilient wealth creation and emotional resilience - Why the idea of cloning other investor’s practices is still subversive in today’s world - Exercise, nutrition, meditation and sleep as the basics for making good decisions Key Learnings and Takeaways: - When you decide to clone someone’s fundamental ideas and insights that work, you have to do it in a way that's aligned with your own temperament and skills - In order to create resilient wealth, you don't need the optimal strategy, you need a strategy that's good enough, that’s directionally correct - You don't want to wait until you're in the midst of a crisis to adopt habits such as quality nutrition, exercise, meditation and sleep; it's important to adopt these good habits before the crisis. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: - “Richer, Wiser, Happier” by William Green http://www.williamgreenwrites.com/richer-wiser-happier/ - Connect with William Green on Twitter https://twitter.com/williamgreen72 - Connect with William Green on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-green-79809a19/ - “Power vs. Force” by David R. Hawkins https://www.amazon.com/Power-vs-Force-David-Hawkins-ebook/dp/B00EJBABS2 - “Letting Go: The Pathway of Surrender” by David R. Hawkins https://www.amazon.com/Letting-Go-David-R-Hawkins-ebook/dp/B00EY818TQ/ - “Carefree Dignity” by Tsoknyi Rinpoche https://www.amazon.com/Carefree-Dignity-Discourses-Training-Nature/dp/9627341320 - “Open Heart, Open Mind” by Tsoknyi Rinpoche https://www.amazon.com/Open-Heart-Mind-Guide-Transformation/dp/1846043441/ - “Altered Traits” by Daniel Goleman https://www.amazon.com/Altered-Traits-Science-Reveals-Meditation/dp/0399184392/ - Colliding with the Unexpected with Gillian Tett on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/colliding-with-the-unexpected-with-gillian-tett/ - Accidental CEO with David Novak on OutsideVoices https://outsidelens.com/accidental-ceo-with-david-novak/ Connect with OutsideVoices: - Follow us on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/outsidelens/ - Check us out on Twitter https://twitter.com/LensOutside


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The Art of Impossible: the Playbook for Impractical People in 2021

Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, an award winning journalist and the executive director of the Flow Research Collective. He's one of the world's leading experts on human performance. He's the author of nine bestselling books, including The Future is Faster Than You Think, Stealing Fire, The Rise of Superman, and the most recent one, The Art of Impossible, which we are talking about in this episode. His work has been nominated for two Pulitzer Prizes, translated into over 40 languages, and appeared in over 100 publications, including the New York Times Magazine, Wired, Atlantic Monthly, Time and the Harvard Business Review. Steven is a remarkably productive person, and he puts a lot of that extraordinary productivity down to what he's been doing for the last 30 years, and what he's writing about in The Art of Impossible. In this book, he refers to the work of our previous guests Mike Gervais and Angela Duckworth, and talks about the topics that we’ve explored with Frans Johansson and Scott Page in previous episodes. Steven Kotler is making his third appearance on this podcast, and if you are looking for, as he describes it, a practical playbook for impractical people, this is another powerful, relevant, and compelling conversation about the results of his decades long research into peak performance. What is Covered: The sequence of external and intrinsic motivators that produce peak performanceHow extraordinary capability emerges in individualsThe compounding effect of long-term practice for achieving peak performanceNeurochemistry of fear and why peak performers set unrealistic expectations for themselves Key Takeaways and Learnings: Peak performance is getting your biology to work for you, rather than against you. It’s a limited set of skills shaped by biology, which are meant to be deployed in a sequence and in certain order.Challenge to skills ratio is the most important of flow's triggers. When the challenge of the task at hand slightly exceeds our skill set, when we are stretching our skills to the utmost, it is a precondition for flow.Peak performers are always going to look for something that really scares them, because they are going to get a lot of energy and a lot of focus for free. But they don't take on huge fears all at once. They chunk them down, one step at a time, and often. Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: https://www.theartofimpossible.com/https://www.stevenkotler.com/booksThe Flow Research Collective https://www.flowresearchcollective.com/ Animals in Translation, a book by Temple Grandin https://www.amazon.com/Animals-Translation-Mysteries-Behavior-Harvest/dp/0156031442 Bone Games, a book by Rob Schultheis https://www.amazon.com/Bone-Games-Extreme-Shamanism-Transcendence/dp/1558215069 https://outsidelens.com/the-space-between-hesitation-and-commitment-with-michael-gervais/ https://outsidelens.com/angela-duckworth-grit-the-power-of-passion-and-perseverance/ https://outsidelens.com/ignoring-the-siren-call-of-sameness-creates-lasting-value-with-scott-page/ https://outsidelens.com/innovating-medici-style-with-frans-johansson/ Connect with OutsideVoices LinkedInTwitter


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Gillian Zoe Segal - The Power of Proximity, and What We Can Learn From The World's Greatest Entrepreneurs

Gillian Zoe Segal is the author of Getting There: A Book of Mentors. In that book, Gillian interviews incredibly successful entrepreneurs, mentors and people like Warren Buffett, to discover their secrets to success and innovation. On today's show, she discusses some of the insights into the lives of these successful and driven people and talks on what truly makes them tick. What Is Covered Links and Resources Mentioned in This Episode: https://www.amazon.com/Getting-There-Gillian-Zoe-Segal/dp/1419715704https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillian-zoe-segal-64041021/ https://outsidelens.com/anyone-can-do-it-sahars-remarkable-entrepreneurial-journey/ https://outsidelens.com/hacking-flow-how-to-make-outperformance-a-habit/ Connect with OutsideVoices LinkedInTwitter


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Turn Your Ship Around with David Marquet

In this episode, we are joined by David Marquet, who was the Captain of the USS Santa Fe from 1990 to 2001 and now works as a leadership expert with businesses worldwide. We cover his book, Turn The Ship Around! A True Story of Building Leaders by Breaking Rules, which has been recently re-released with a new companion workbook. What Is Covered Key Takeaways and Learnings Links and Resources Covered in this Episode LinkedInTwitterFacebookwebsiteTurn the Ship Around!: A True Story of Turning Followers into LeadersUnited States Naval AcademyTalking 100% Entrepreneurship & 0% Bureaucracy with Heiko Fischer of Resourceful Humans


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Wrap Up 3: What Is Your Most Significant Failure/”Low”, What Have You Learned From It and How Have You Applied That Learning?

“Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm”. So said Winston Churchill, a man who had his fair share of professional disasters to accompany his well known successes. A less painful and more practical strategy for many of us might be to learn from other people’s mistakes. There can be no doubt that you will encounter unexpected and unwanted outcomes as a result of looking at the world through multiple perspectives, or as a result of changing or adapting your work habits in order to remain fresh and creative. So we all need to be prepared for the inevitable lows and I believe that the key is to quickly identify your mistake and take action. It is for this reason we ask every guest about their most significant lows, and what they have learned from them. Given their diversity of backgrounds and perspectives, here are some examples from the trenches about how a few of our highly accomplished guests from the worlds of business, academia, sports, science, and the arts have emerged from there lows and how they take that learning forward to create success. Guests Featured in This Episode: Hacking Flow: How to Make Outperformance a Habit with Steven KotlerMeaning Makers: How Top Leaders Use Stories with David PearlTechnonomics and Why My Profits Might Just Disappear with John StrawBottling Amazonian Wisdom with Tyler Gage, the Co-Founder of RUNAAccidental CEO with David NovakInnovating, Medici Style with Frans Johansson Connect with OutsideVoices LinkedInTwitter


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Wrap Up 2: How Do You Remain Creative And Expose Yourself To Fresh Perspectives?

We believe passionately in the power of multiple perspectives to build and sustain innovation ecosystems. And yet we are all creatures of habits, following schedules and routines that enable us to continue to perform at high levels, but which might leave us with little room for exploring the new. So unless we proactively seek out fresh perspectives, we run the risk of remaining in our own personal bubbles, surrounded by people who think only like us, so increasing the risk of biases like groupthink, not-invented-here and confirmation bias. We always ask our guests what they do to remain fresh, to seek out diverse perspectives, and the answers are often surprisingly simple and practical. Here we provide a selection of tactics, all of which are easy to do, but are equally easy not to do. By regularly exercising your innovation muscles, the benefits to you and your organisation will build up and compound over time, as these world class performers have discovered. Guests featured in this episode: Meaning Makers: How Top Leaders Use Stories with David PearlBack in the Game: EA's Near Death Experience with Andy BillingsDual Transformation and Why Noah's Arc Management Can't Work with Scott AnthonyBottling Amazonian Wisdom with Tyler Gage, the Co-Founder of RUNAGambling on Innovation: How To Be Productively Wrong With Luis Perez-Breva of MITWhen Big and Small Make Great with Brad FeldInnovating, Medici Style with Frans JohanssonThe Return on Investment of Mental Models with Robert HagstromConfessions of a Corporate Insurgent with Gib Bulloch Connect with OutsideVoices LinkedInTwitter