Center for REALTOR® Development

Welcome to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast, the podcast for REALTORS®, all about real estate. I'm Monica Neubauer, your host. Many REALTORS® are hugely engaged in our communities. Others are looking for opportunities to engage. Christine Wendell, our guest, has been teaching us about ways that we can engage in the community and help communities elaborate opportunity, create more beautiful and functional spaces, and expand our education. And if you didn't listen to Episode 1, please go listen to Episode 1, where Christine very eloquently describes these grant programs that are available through NAR. Christine serves as the Director of Community Outreach at the National Association of REALTORS®, where she leads the community outreach team and oversees the implementation of a suite, and that's what we talked about in episode one, a suite of programs, grants, and services, things designed to strengthen state and local REALTOR® Association advocacy on public policy issues and public spaces and housing. Christine has so much experience, over 35 years of experience in advocacy, communications, organizational leadership, and PAC fundraising. She previously served as the CEO and Public Policy Director of the Dulles Area Association of REALTORS® in Loudoun County, Virginia. [2:30] Christine says the NAR grant programs are designed to help state and local REALTOR® associations advocate, engage, and educate on community development and Fair Housing issues and initiatives. [3:02] Christine says Community Outreach has a suite of five grant programs designed to help you engage in community development and fair housing, along with a number of resources that help ignite progress, economic development, and revitalization in communities. [3:22] You can find more information about the Community Outreach programs on the NAR REALTOR® Party Community Outreach landing page. Monica adds, We're going to put the links to these NAR pages and to some videos into the show notes. [4:35] Christine receives 50 to 60 placemaking grant applications a year. The program has been in place since 2010. There are many inspirational stories on the Spaces to Places Blog. [4:57] Hannah Dannenfelser, the team's manager of grants and resources, created with the production team a placemaking video that showcases recent stories and projects that can help provide inspiration. [5:15] One of Christine's favorite stories was a project by the Fredericksburg Area Association of REALTORS® (FAAR) in Virginia. They worked with the town of Orange to create a needed community park space in a once-vibrant African American business district that was disrupted by a highway project. [5:39] The African American Commemorative Park is now a catalyst for renewal. The NAR Placemaking Grant that Fredericksburg applied for helped offset the cost of benches and interpretive panels that share the area's history and offer a place for reflection. [5:59] The FAAR hopes the community gathering space will attract businesses and help keep the historic character. It was inspirational. It's in the placemaking video; it is a great example of committee engagement and how the REALTORS® brought the project to the table. [6:25] The FAAR Public Policy Director, Kim McClellan, applied for the grant in partnership with the REALTOR® leadership and worked with everyone toward the completion of the project. Be sure to check it out in the video and see what Christine is talking about. [6:43] Monica has been in some of these places with historical markers, just by happening upon them. The community where Monica lives has done that with a statue, markers, and a story. Now people can see the history right there. If we can be a part of that, how awesome it is to remind people of history! [7:22] Monica loves seeing the history. It reminds her that the community has been there. There are roots and stories, and there's the future. [7:32] Christine says to be sure, when thinking about these...

Welcome to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I'm Monica Neubauer, your host. REALTORS® play a powerful role in shaping our communities. Many are deeply involved, while others are just beginning to explore the possibilities. As an industry, we bring tremendous value, not just to buyers and sellers, but to neighborhoods, main streets, and local community development initiatives that make our communities stronger. What many people don't realize is that the National Association of REALTORS® offers a suite of grants, tools, and resources available only to state and local associations, to help turn great ideas into action. Whether it's improving housing access, revitalizing public spaces, or tackling zoning challenges, NAR has programs that can help. Maybe something we discuss today will inspire an initiative you may want to get involved in, or open a door you didn't know was there. [1:50] Joining us to share more is Christine Windle, who helps lead some of these efforts at NAR. Welcome, Christine. [1:59] Monica shares Christine Windle's biography. [3:02] Christine explains that NAR's Community Outreach Program offers several grants: Smart Growth, Housing Opportunity, Placemaking, and Fair Housing. These are available exclusively to state and local REALTOR® associations, not individual REALTORS®. [3:19] NAR's Community Outreach Program has produced webinars for state and local associations of REALTORS® and their leadership on how to leverage these grants. Just Google NAR Community Outreach webinars, and the page comes up. [3:32] The discussion will be how REALTORS® can work through local associations and state associations to identify, advocate for, and support eligible initiatives. All of these projects are meant to be done with the community. [4:03] It's REALTORS® helping the community, in partnership with their local and state association. There are networking opportunities. It's the industry lifting the community. [4:50] The Community Outreach Grant and Resource program is designed to help REALTOR® associations and their leadership engage in transformational work, bringing REALTORS® to the table to support housing opportunity, smart growth, placemaking, and fair housing in their communities. [5:12] Within the program, there are cornerstone grants. The Smart Growth Grant supports local planning efforts, infrastructure, investment planning, zoning reform, and more. It helps associations bring stakeholders together to plan for future growth in ways that are equitable and sustainable. [5:32] The Housing Opportunity Grant is a little different. It focuses on expanding access to home ownership, reducing barriers, and promoting housing affordability. These grants often support first-time buyer education, workforce housing forums, and housing trust fund advocacy. [5:50] The Placemaking Grant helps associations convert underutilized spaces into vibrant public spaces. So think of a pocket park, a trailhead, or alley activation. These small projects can have a really big impact on the quality of life and smarter growth. [6:11] Monica asks to hear more about these individual programs and how they help REALTORS®. [7:12] Christine explains the Housing Opportunity Grant. It's a widely used grant. It's a great member-engagement grant. It's a great grant to leverage for the local association when REALTORS® want to get involved in a Housing Fair. Several local associations will work with partners. [7:30] Partnerships are an important aspect of these programs, with associations leveraging relationships with municipalities, Housing Authorities, and housing counseling entities to put together Housing Fairs. The grant can help support expenses associated with those Housing Fairs. [7:53] The Housing Opportunity Grant Level 2 can be leveraged up to $7,500 to support the venue rentals, expenses, marketing materials, and needed workshop speakers. The REALTORS® work with the local association through the committee...

Welcome to NAR’s Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. We welcome back to the show Dr. Rodney Harrell from the AARP. In our last episode, we discussed the AARP Livability Index™ and what is important to our mature buyers and sellers. Dr. Harrell is also a policy specialist, so that’s what we’re going to focus on today. I love a little government and advocacy things going on! Welcome back! Rodney Harrell, PhD, is the Vice President of Family, Home, and Community at AARP, where he leads national work on housing, livable communities, and aging in place. He created the AARP Livability Index™, guiding how we evaluate and design neighborhoods that truly work. With a PhD in Urban Planning from the University of Maryland and a deep background in public policy and community development, Dr. Harrell brings data-driven actionable insights on how real estate intersects with longevity, lifestyle, and liveability. [:42] We welcome back to the show Dr. Rodney Harrell from the AARP. In our last episode, we discussed the AARP Livability Index™ and what is important to our mature buyers and sellers. Dr. Harrell is also a policy specialist, so that’s what we’re going to focus on today. Welcome back! [1:08] Monica introduces Dr. Harrell and describes his role with the AARP and his focus on livable communities for mature adults and future mature adults. Dr. Harrell has a PhD in Urban Planning and a deep background in public policy and community development. [1:47] As REALTORS®, we work primarily with people who are buying and selling properties. The nuances of policy may not feel like they directly affect us… until they do! When we do run up against these things, it can be a frustrating wakeup call. By the time we know about it, it may be hard to fix. [2:37] Dr. Harrell says the AARP’s Future of Housing initiative considers a range of trends that are impacting needs. One trend is that the population is aging faster than was expected, with 10K people turning 65 every day. [2:58] Since we have not built the types of housing in our communities that support aging, we don’t have a lot of housing that meets people’s needs at any age and any level of physical ability. [3:09] Simultaneously, we just don’t have enough supply of housing. As a country, we are short many millions of units of housing. We don’t have enough housing, and housing is too expensive. [3:40] Dr. Harrell notes that we don’t have enough housing at different price points. If we get housing that will meet our needs as we age, and it is affordable, is it in the right place? You might not find housing that meets your needs, that you can afford, and that is where you want it to be. [4:12] Housing that has the accessibility features that people might need as they’re aging, housing that’s affordable, and housing in the right location that meets all our other needs are the three pieces of the puzzle to create the housing that aging adults need. [4:48] Dr. Harrell discusses zoning. Zoning is a huge barrier. It can prevent communities from having the types of housing options that folks need. Communities want to create more flexibility in their neighborhoods. [5:20] The AARP Livability Index™ looks at neighborhoods with options other than a single-family home. Roughly 80% of the neighborhoods in the country only have single-family zoning and nothing else. That means there aren’t a lot of options in those places. That’s a huge barrier. [5:43] Zoning is just an early step in the process. There are additional barriers in the process of building some of the housing we need, which is part of the reason we have a supply shortage. [6:06] Monica has been looking at government and zoning. Going through the whole process with a development community can take years. If people make decisions based on current needs and not future needs, they may miss something. [6:31] Dr. Harrell says that’s why his team at the AARP Public Policy Institute pulled together...

Welcome to NAR’s Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. We are very excited to have Dr. Rodney Harrell from the AARP as our guest today. Rodney Harrell, PhD, is the Vice President of Family, Home, and Community at AARP, where he leads national work on housing, livable communities, and aging in place. He created the AARP Livability Index™, guiding how we evaluate and design neighborhoods that truly work. With a PhD in Urban Planning from the University of Maryland and a deep background in public policy and community development, Dr. Harrell brings data-driven actionable insights on how real estate intersects with longevity, lifestyle, and liveability. He is a housing specialist who focuses on housing for mature adults and people who want to become mature adults one day. [:52] We are very excited to have Dr. Rodney Harrell from the AARP as our guest today. Welcome, Rodney! [:57] Monica introduces Dr. Harrell and describes his role with the AARP and his focus on livable communities for mature adults and future mature adults. [2:10] Monica is excited to talk with Dr. Harrell. She taught the Senior Real Estate Specialist Designation for many years. She brings up these points about 50-plus people: Boomers do not want to be called Seniors. The 50-plus market has three generations in it. What do the 50-plus want to be called today? [2:40] Dr. Harrell says it’s important to consider that aging isn’t always the same. It’s not the same as it has been, and it’s not the same as it will be in the future. It’s not the same for everybody. Your aging journey is your journey. [2:54] Dr. Harrell likes to think about people by age group. People who are 50 and older are part of the 50-plus population. More importantly, he thinks about people at life stages. What’s going on in their life, family, and self? Are you an empty nester, not driving, or having trouble with stairs? [3:26] For thinking about people as a group, age ranges or life stages are useful. Dr Harrell likes to think of people as individuals. [3:34] Monica is of an age where she could have grandchildren. She has grown children, and she could have grandchildren, but she doesn’t. She’s rearranging her life stage with some of the other things that go with grandchildren, but not having that mile marker. [4:01] Dr. Harrell notes that we go through these different parts of life at different points. When he talks to people about housing decisions, he asks them to think about where they are today and where they think they will be in the future, not where someone tells them they should be. [4:22] We should all think about our life journey. When we’re talking to folks who are buying real estate or making housing decisions, the more we can personalize and make this decision point about them, the better off we’ll be. [4:51] Monica starts a discussion of the AARP Livability Index™. How do REALTORS® use it? Dr. Harrell and his colleagues at AARP created it 10 years ago. It’s the world’s first nationwide, neighborhood-based livability index. [5:30] The index measures every neighborhood in the country across 61 indicators and creates seven category scores, including Housing, Transportation, the Environment, and Healthcare. Using the seven scores, it creates a combined score. [5:48] Dr. Harrell and his team created the index with input from experts around the country to answer the question of what makes a community livable. [4:54] What is the kind of community that people of all ages, incomes, and ability levels can age in? How do we measure that and put it in a way that anybody can grasp quickly? It took about three years to put the Index together. They’ve been improving it for 10 more years. [6:15] Monica points out that tools like that are very interesting. It creates easy searchability. She has been looking at her own community with the AARP Livability Index™. It was interesting to see how the Index rates things and why her community had low...

Welcome to NAR’s Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. How many of you would like some more good tools to help more buyers buy homes? I say more, because we talked about this in our other episode with Skyler Lemons, and we are here with Kameron Kang from Washington, D.C. Welcome, Kameron! I met Kameron, and he has some great news, so I said, I need you to share this! Kameron has spent the last decade working across the housing world, from construction to real estate sales to community planning. He started his career as a real estate agent and broker in Washington, D.C., where he built a team focused on helping first-time buyers, especially those using purchase assistance programs. [1:05] We are here with Kameron Kang. Welcome Kameron! [1:26] Kameron started his career as a real estate agent and broker in Washington, D.C., where he built a team helping first-time buyers using purchase assistance programs. Over a couple of years, he led more than 500 homebuyer seminars. His work has centered on making home ownership accessible. [1:55] That has taken Kameron into everything from advising developers to consulting on housing policy and serving on real estate boards. He also runs a small hospitality business for short-term rentals. [2:11] Kameron started in the Army and Army National Guard, serving in the Infantry and Psychological Operations. He’s mission-driven, collaborative, and focused on solving problems. [2:28] Kameron studied at Syracuse University and Valley Forge Military College and is originally from the Scranton area of Pennsylvania. [2:35] Today, Kameron is focused on connecting buyers and professionals with the funding tools and programs that are out there but often underutilized. He is happy to have been working in the industry in many different ways. [3:17] Kameron says that the foundation of his real estate journey was with the downpayment assistance program of the Veterans Administration loans. He’ll talk about that in today’s episode. [3:32] Washington, D.C. has been a challenging market for many years. It’s a complex market with highly educated buyers and expensive housing, relative to income. Kameron says we can make it work with creative solutions. [4:15] Kameron calls them community home investment programs (CHIPs). These are investments by the community in home ownership. That’s going to be one of the solutions to getting us out of the housing crisis that we are in. [5:00] Kameron recalls the marketplace from 2015 to 2020. It was more balanced, and people were interested in homebuying, but there were barriers. We didn’t have the media saying homes were completely unaffordable. People wanted to buy but didn’t know how. [5:37] From 2020 to 2022, the media said, “Now’s the time to buy a house.” Kameron had 20 to 50 people in seminars, excited to buy, but having no idea how. [5:48] Now, it has pulled back because the narrative is that homes are completely unaffordable. People are generally afraid. That creates a lot of opportunity for REALTORS® to stand on soapboxes and yell out, “We have programs!” [6:17] Monica agrees, it’s up to the agents to go out into the community and push back against that narrative. Agents will have to get into real conversations and hold seminars. [6:48] That’s where we’ll be able to show our value as professionals in communities. Kameron calls the theme Boots on the Ground, REALTOR® Now, to start acting in our communities. [7:06] Seminars are one of the first places to start educating in communities, and get people inspired and believing again that homeownership is in their future. [7:37] Kameron once watched a Navy recruiting video of a woman who had been able to buy a house right away, utilizing the Veterans Administration Loan. Kameron had had housing instability, so that video message was impressed into his brain. He was inspired and wanted to do the same. [8:14] Kameron was obsessed with using his VA Loan ASAP to buy his...

Welcome to NAR’s Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. How many of you would like some more help getting buyers into homes? Um… I think everybody’s hand would be raised right now. Even my guest is saying that, and he’s going to teach us how to do that! Our guest today, Skyler Lemons, is known as Chicago’s Down Payment Grant King. He is one of NAR’s 2025 Class of 30 Under 30 award recipients. Skyler is helping people buy real estate who didn’t think they could buy real estate or didn’t know that they had the money to buy real estate. Welcome Skyler! [1:03] Skyler Lemons is an NAR 2025 30 Under 30 Award recipient. He is helping people buy real estate who didn’t think they could buy real estate or didn’t know that they had the money to buy real estate. Welcome Skyler! [1:27] Skyler thinks that every agent should know and have in their arsenal what Skyler has discovered in the world of down payment assistance. He’s on a mission to empower more agents to do this. [1:53] Skyler is known as Chicago’s Down Payment Grant King. He’s a real estate broker with Exit Strategy REALTOR®, and he’s helping first-time and low-to-moderate-income buyers access home ownership with minimal up-front costs. In 2024, Skyler helped secure over $250K in financial assistance. [2:20] Born and raised in Chicago, with a financial degree from Howard University, Skyler combines data-driven strategy, branding expertise, and a deep knowledge of the city to empower buyers and agents alike. He has 18K Instagram followers and 1,700 leads generated this year. [2:43] Skyler’s mission is simple: bridge the home ownership gap through education, strategy, and community impact. [3:17] Skyler was licensed on December 26th, 2020. He was 24 years old. He started to work his sphere of influence. All his friends of his age told him, “Skyler, you know this sounds good, but show me some apartments. I’m ready to rent an apartment.” [3:42] Skyler realized that the biggest barrier for himself and a lot of his peers wasn’t the job or the credit score; it was the down payment. Most did not have the capital to buy, and it was also the middle of a pandemic. [4:09] Interest rates were low, and banks did not have any incentive to have these types of programs because of low interest rates. Initially, Skyler did not sell a lot of real estate. He did not know how to bridge that gap. [4:23] Once interest rates started to rise, Skyler saw that banks started to come out with different programs. The main problem between the programs and Skyler’s community was the information gap. A lot of people don’t know that these things exist. [4:44] Skyler shows people where the money is. He explains to people that if they buy a $250K property, they’ll need about 6% to close, including down payment and closing costs. He suggests talking to a lender who will give $5K toward a down payment and $7 or $8K toward closing costs. [5:08] He goes out with buyers already figuring out a huge piece of the financial puzzle. [5:13] Skyler believes a lot of agents are afraid of the numbers. He reminds his clients that they need to call the lender, but he helps them paint that picture of what they are going to try to accomplish. That gets them excited. [5:32] Once they have pre-approval and secure the $5K for the down payment, and the $7 to $8K toward the closing cost, it solves a big piece of the puzzle for them. [6:17] The first opportunity fell into Skyler’s lap. An agent had connected him to a lender that had this product. At the closing table, he realized that his client was getting a check back. Skyler started talking to different lenders and learning their requirements for credit score and income. [6:59] Skyler talked to clients about which lenders might work best for them in their circumstances and why. Cook County has a $25K grant program, but after running the numbers, sometimes a lender can do better for the client without the Cook County grant. [9:07]...

Welcome to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. Everyone’s favorite topic these days is AI. In our last episode, Matthew Rathbun and Craig Grant saved you lots of time with their tips for improved productivity and agent and customer experience. Today, they’re going to help you again and show you how they make AI work for them in practical ways. Practical ideas are my favorite takeaways! We’re going to give you a few more apps. We’re still going to stick with the basics of ChatGPT and Google Gemini, but we’re going to get into a few more apps that you may want to invest in. Craig Grant is the CEO of RETI.us, the real estate industry’s online home for technology education. He’s been a national technology speaker, educating us through many tech changes. He’s a tremendous mentor for speakers and educators. This passion has led him to offer a Train the Trainer program and co-found the BEATS Alliance, promoting education for both the educator and education directors at associations. Matthew Rathbun is the Broker and Executive VP of a Northern Virginia Coldwell Banker office. He’s the President of the Real Estate Business Institute and an international speaker in the real estate industry. He helps tech make sense, and he has a balance in his communication style of being straightforward, telling it like it is, and also, really encouraging to help us to actually do it. We are releasing this interview in two episodes. This is Part 2. Each one of these episodes stands alone, but we encourage you to start with Episode 1 or go back to it for some more context. Important: Be mindful of the limitations and risks of using generative artificial intelligence and protect personal, financial and confidential information from being shared with an AI platform. Keep in mind that content produced by generative AI tools is not always correct. Avoid using AI for legal advice and engaging in the unauthorized practice of law; always seek appropriate advice from actual professionals. Do not use AI to create content you wish to copyright, as AI-generated works are not protectable under U.S. copyright law. [1:27] Craig Grant is a tremendous mentor for speakers and educators. This passion has led him to offer a Train the Trainer program and co-found the BEATS Alliance, promoting education for both the educator and education directors at associations. Welcome back, Craig! [2:02] Matthew Rathbun helps tech make sense, and he has a balance in his communication style of being straightforward, telling it like it is, and also, really encouraging to help us to actually do it. Welcome back, Matthew! [2:21] Matthew recaps the first episode. It covered creating GPTs, being an AI-forward leader, and being an example to your agents. Associations can also help themselves by creating GPTs of these tools. Think about things differently, do your job better, and help the agents do theirs better. [3:06] Craig tries to guide most people in the industry either to ChatGPT or Google Gemini. All AI platforms have similar capabilities, but Craig says to succeed in real estate, leverage one of the two main platforms. Matthew prefers ChatGPT while Craig uses Gemini more. [3:41] Craig says that ChatGPT focuses on third-party tools and integration. Google isn’t trying to do any integration. It’s about making you more effective inside Google. Craig runs his business through Google with Gmail, Google Docs, Drive, and Calendar through Google. [4:02] Gemini makes Craig so much faster and more effective with the tools he’s already using to run his business. He uses ChatGPT for fun things, but if it’s business-related, he uses Gemini, and it creates emails and documents the way he wants them, in his brand voice. [4:22] Craig uses Google to run his business, so he focuses on Gemini. He believes that whichever you end up using, whether it’s Gemini or ChatGPT, the two main ones, Craig believes the possibilities of what you can do...

Welcome to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast from the National Association of REALTORS®. I’m Monica Neubauer, your host. Before we start today, I have a favor to ask. We so appreciate you, our faithful listeners, and we are so glad that you’re coming and learning with all of our amazing guests. However, when I travel, I find lots of folks who could benefit from what we are sharing here for free every month. So, please share this podcast with friends and other agents in your brokerage firm. Let’s help everybody be more educated. Thanks for doing that! Today is everyone’s favorite topic; it’s AI. We had a great conversation recently with Dan Weisman, you can go back and listen to, as well. He’s NAR staff. My guests today both make AI work for them in practical ways, every day. I love practical application. You all have heard me talk about it; just good tools to help me be more efficient. Sometimes I like these new tools because they help me stop putting off things that I put off because they felt too big, and now I have this friend who will help me do it. My guests will give us some tips on some of the software. I now tackle some of these things with my GPT friend. Matthew Rathbun is the Broker and Executive VP of a Northern Virginia Coldwell Banker office. He’s the President of the Real Estate Business Institute and an international speaker in the real estate industry. He helps tech make sense, and he has a balance in his communication style of being straightforward, telling it like it is, and also, really encouraging to help us to actually do it. Craig Grant is the CEO of RETI.us, the real estate industry’s online home for technology education. He’s been a national technology speaker, educating us through many tech changes. He’s a tremendous mentor for speakers and educators. This passion has led him to offer a Train the Trainer program and co-found the BEATS Alliance, promoting education for both the educator and education directors at associations. We are releasing this interview in two episodes. This is Part 1. [2:30] Matthew Rathbun helps tech make sense, and he has a balance in his communication style of being straightforward, telling it like it is, and also, really encouraging to help us do it. Welcome, Matthew! Matthew says it’s great to be part of this episode. [3:04] Craig Grant’s passion has led him to offer a Train the Trainer program and co-found the BEATS Alliance, promoting education for both the educator and education directors at associations. Welcome, Craig! Craig thanks Monica for having him on this episode. [3:20] We’re going to share some specific wisdom for the brokers in our first episode. While everyone’s going to benefit from this conversation, Matthew’s going to share some specifics because he’s a broker. [3:33] We’re going to have Craig in the second episode be the lead for some more tools for everyone. Both episodes are going to be great for everyone. [3:50] Craig shares the tech we will be discussing: ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot, Perplexity, Claude, DeepSeek, and others. Craig recommends using the big platforms, Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot, and OpenAI ChatGPT, versus others that don’t have the legal and financial standing. [4:41] Craig says the two main ones to use are ChatGPT and Google Gemini. Other options might do things just as well, but Craig falls back on the legal protection side. Craig notes that there is a huge difference between the free versions and the paid models. [5:17] Matthew agrees with Craig on limiting the tools. He sticks primarily to ChatGPT because when doing demos for agents or creating content, doing it on various platforms can be confusing and overwhelming. [5:36] Matthew explains that each of the platforms Craig mentioned may do a certain type of task. Claude may be better for legal experts, programmers, and coders by about 10%. For Matthew, as a broker, it’s not worth an extra 10% benefit to switch platforms, although...

Welcome, friends, to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast from the National Association of REALTORS®. We are here in Part 2 with my guest, Dr. Jessica Lautz from NAR. Dr. Lautz is the Deputy Chief Economist and Vice President of Research at the National Association of REALTORS®. We are releasing this interview in two episodes. This is Part 2. Now, each one of these episodes stands alone, but we encourage you to start with Episode 1 or even go back to it for some more context. [1:10] Welcome back, my favorite data researcher! Thank you so much for being with me and with our listeners. I love how you get to talk to everybody around the country and share all the good scoop and help keep us informed. [1:25] Dr. Lautz says it’s a highlight of her job. She loves having boots on the ground, seeing what’s going on in local markets, what REALTORS® are feeling, and what the pulse is. Talking to people is important. [1:43] Monica recommends that listeners take the opportunity to go listen to Dr. Lautz and hear some of her great stories. [2:17] We’re going to talk a little bit more specifically about clients and client needs, especially our first time home buyers. The demographic has shifted. [2:40] Dr Lautz explores the data. First-time homebuyers are different today. First-time homebuyers have dropped to the lowest level the NAR has ever recorded, dating back to 1981. It’s just 24% of the market. In a healthy market, it would be 40%. [3:05] The 24% figure is an annual figure from last year. Monthly figures are ticking up, and this looks like it will be a better spring for first-time home buyers. [3:44] The median age of first-time homebuyers is now 38 years old. That’s an all-time high. The median age historically was 28. Housing affordability and lack of inventory are issues. [4:13] Saving for a down payment is also difficult because of higher rent, student loan debt, childcare costs, car loans, and inflation. [4:33] First-time homebuyers’ annual income has jumped by $26K in the last two years. The housing market has removed anyone with a lower income. Doctors and investment bankers will win out over first responders and schoolteachers. It’s a different type of first-time homebuyer. [5:25] First-time home buyers’ down-payment sources are different, too. They’re more likely to use financial assets like stocks, 401(k), and cryptocurrency. They are still using the bank of Mom and Dad. Inheritance use is also up. [6:50] Dr. Lautz says we are seeing a generational transfer of wealth. The use of inheritances is at an all time high, but still in the single digits. Some parents are passing wealth along while they’re still thriving. We have seen it come down, though. It may be uncomfortable for a 40-year-old to ask a parent for cash. [8:11] Dr. Lautz sees some 20-somethings and even Gen Zers coming into the market. Gen Z makes up 3% of the market. Young Millennials and Gen Zers may have learned from the mistakes of older Millennials who got graduate degrees. Some of that has to do with the Great Recession. [8:41] The big thing we’ve learned from today’s young buyers is that they’re willing to make some financial sacrifices, like living with parents for a longer time, not paying a huge rent. That allows them to earn homeownership sooner. [9:49] Dr. Lautz has found that when these young adults move into home ownership, half of them had been paying rent to family members they were living with. [10:37] How does a young adult build a credit portfolio while paying rent to parents and living at home? Dr. Lautz says that’s a good question! What about people working in the gig economy? Monica says we need to research that. [11:58] Dr. Lautz says there are fewer sales at the lower price points. She thinks that translates into fewer properties at lower price points. She is seeing growth in the luxury homes, or $1 million and up, sector. Home prices keep going up. Homes at lower price points may not be move-in ready. [13:00] An...

Welcome, friends to the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast from the National Association of REALTORS®. I am so glad you are joining me and today’s guest, Dr. Jessica Lautz from NAR. Dr. Lautz is the Deputy Chief Economist and Vice President of Research at the National Association of REALTORS®. I love, love, love my data friends and I always learn things to help me and my clients. These trends are so huge when talking with our clients and preparing ourselves, as well as just getting in the nitty gritty because our clients are looking at that national market but we’re also in the local market. I’m so excited to talk today about how we put those two things together. We are releasing this interview in two episodes. This is Part 1. [1:16] Welcome, Jessica! What are the hot topics you are seeing that are important and different? Let’s give our listeners a preview of what we’re going to discuss in these two episodes, 110 and 111. [1:36] Jessica says the real estate market is divided into two markets. We have an all-time high of all cash home buyers with cash from housing equity. At the same time, we have an all-time low of first-time home buyers. [1:58] Everybody’s demographics are changing and buyers are adapting to the real estate market at hand. We’re going to go over fundamentals and dig into some demographics, too. [2:18] Did anybody expect these demographic changes? Some unexpected things are going on in the world. [2:27] When we look at the real estate market, we know it is a tough market. Inventory is still extremely limited, even though it’s jumping and we’re seeing rises in housing inventory. We’re still under February of 2020 when the housing market went bananas! We know that it’s a difficult market to get into. [2:55] Home sales in 2023, 2024, and the first quarter of 2025 have been the lowest since 1995. This is striking because we have 75 million more people in this country than we did in 1995. Home sales volume being at the same level as in 1995 doesn’t make a lot of sense. [4:06] We have more family units that tend to be smaller. We need more homes. We have seen young adults doubling up with parents and older relatives doubling up with their adult children. We know we have a lot of pent-up demand in the housing market from those young adults trying to leave the nest. [4:39] We’re going to talk a lot more about them and the first-time home buyer option in our second episode, look at the demographics, and some possible solutions for young adult home buyers. [4:50] With the low number of transactions, we don’t see the number of real estate agents shrinking. That’s unexpected. It’s an incredibly competitive and dynamic industry. You have to show your value, and what you can do for a client seller, or buyer. It’s very difficult and it’s growing. [5:30] Dr. Lautz was in three cities last week, talking to REALTORS® in Lansing, MI, Nashville, TN, and Orlando, FL, three very different real estate markets. In each hotel, the person at the desk or a person in line told her they wanted to study for their real estate license. It’s an attractive career path. [6:14] Monica told someone that the number of actual sales is down, but it is the kind of market where anybody willing to be creative and hustle can still get in. Dr. Lautz agrees. Everyone has a different business model Everybody has the niche market they develop over time. [6:46] Monica was an agent in 2008. There were a lot of foreclosures, so foreclosure agents were getting a disproportionate amount of business. Monica took on some side work to stay in the business. The whole country was economically challenged. It felt so different to Monica than right now. [7:22] Jobs are at a good level. Unemployment is at reasonable levels. Dr. Lautz says jobs are important for home sale activity. Interest rates have been stable recently in the mid-6% range. Mortgage delinquencies are low because people need to have good finances to get a mortgage loan. [9:17]...

Evan Fuchs is back with us for Part 2 of our conversation on negotiation, a favorite topic of mine! Welcome back! Markets will shift, and changes are happening. We need to remember the core tenets and basics of good negotiation while remembering that the details change from client to client. Some of you work in different markets or states, and you need to be aware of those details to help you negotiate specifically for what you and your client need. Negotiation is one of those significant topics I suggest we learn about constantly. Evan Fuchs is a 28-year award-winning REALTOR® and industry leader from Bullhead City, Arizona. Evan and I discuss training, and we go into one book with four tenets that can help us create win-win scenarios or at least manage the situations with a good attitude. Sometimes, operating on those principles helps us not to become so emotionally involved. There is always more going on under the surface when negotiating. We’re going to discuss how that affects your conversations as well. Let’s join Evan to level up some negotiation today! [2:07] We are talking negotiation, and if you didn’t hear our first episode, we hope you’ll go back to that; we discussed things like the tangibles and intangibles of negotiation and why you need to have negotiation skills. We’re giving you the tip of the iceberg. We’ll talk later about some training you can get. [2:33] We will share some great principles in this episode and discuss how agents can improve their skills for negotiating on their behalf. We will need better communication in different spaces where the terms are unclear. [3:25] Evan cites two episodes Monica did with Brent Lancaster on the Buyer Representation Agreement to help negotiate with your clients. We agents must understand our obligations under the law, the Code of Ethics, and the agreements we must follow that create a frame for our business to stay inside. [4:05] Inside that frame, your business is your canvas. You can paint your canvas any way you want. You can say, “Here is how I’m going to run my business, as long as I’m not going out of bounds.” Then you bring your business to the market, and it responds if it sees value in hiring you for what you bring. [4:31] It’s not easy to set boundaries and know the rules of engagement. Brokers are deciding what parameters will be a win for their agents and brokerage firms. With some brokerage firms, your business canvas is not as significant. Bring your ideas and creativity back to your broker. [5:44] The difference between your business model and another agent’s model is what will appeal to potential clients. Explaining what you charge and what the client gets from you will hire you. Be very intentional about understanding who your target audience is and what services you offer. [6:39] Evan says finding clients can’t be an accident. You must be able to show you how to walk the walk and say, ‘This is why I should be here representing you.’ [6:51] Sometimes, in a client meeting or a class, however much she prepares, people will ask Monica an unexpected question for which she doesn’t have a great answer. Evan says it’s essential to give feedback to yourself on what worked and what didn’t work, and then you iterate on that. Have a place to practice! [7:51] Hold scenarios or role-playing with partners in your office, coaches, or spouses. Practice the words and get feedback before you go live. Once you go live, measure what works and what doesn’t, and then try again. It’s a different ballgame for many people, and you might not get it right on the first try. [9:10] Evan talked with his college daughter about what’s happening in real estate. It helped him see another perspective. That’s always a win. [9:40] Preparation for negotiating is essential. Be intentional. What do they need? What value do you bring to the table? How are you communicating and connecting with them? How am I qualifying them? How are you communicating what working with you...

Today’s topic is so essential: negotiation! It has always been important. As our markets have been shifting and industry changes are happening, we need to go back to remembering the basic and core tenets of good negotiation while also understanding the nuanced parts of that shift within the market and the specific needs of our clients. My guest today, Evan Fuchs, is a 28-year award-winning REALTOR® and industry leader from Bullhead City, Arizona. Negotiation is one of those topics we need to learn about all the time. Unless you’re writing a book on negotiation, I suggest more education is helpful. I love learning from skilled negotiators wherever I come across their books or meet them, like Evan or even some of my clients, who teach me new ideas and angles to consider in my negotiation. Evan and I both believe in the long-term value of win-win negotiations in real estate. Evan shares insights on building relationships and finding mutually beneficial outcomes. We discuss the importance of offering options, how crucial it is to get professional training, and the value of tangible and intangible negotiation elements. Evan will tell you what those are. Let’s learn together! We are releasing this interview in two episodes. This is Part 1. [2:04] I am so glad to have Evan Fuchs with us today on the podcast! Welcome, Evan! [2:12] Evan is one of the very successful nice guys! If you ever get to meet Evan, talk to him. He’s delightful, smart, and friendly. We’re going to talk about negotiation, and he is the perfect person to have with us to talk about relationship negotiation because he’s kind and respectful. [2:33] We will discuss a win-win negotiation atmosphere and why that’s good. Evan, you’re a 28-year veteran, broker-owner, board member extraordinaire, association president, and winner! (Evan says that introduction will put a pep in his step!) [3:05] Monica describes her impostor-fighter shelf of awards and statues that remind her that she’s awesome at her job and connected. She recommends you have a shelf like that, and whenever you need a boost, look at your shelf and say, ‘Yeah, I got this’! [3:35] Evan heard Monica talk about the importance of celebrating in one of her podcast episodes. Evan is totally about celebrating, even little victories. [3:52] The win-win negotiation model is a mindset that negotiators adopt. Instead of trying to compete against somebody, they take responsibility for building a good relationship with the other negotiator to work together to find good outcomes for everybody. [4:47] Sometimes, one party does get a better deal, but can you do something to let the other party feel like they also have a good outcome? [5:14] Dan says that options give us power. If I have the myopic view that this is the outcome that’s good for me, and I can’t get you to agree with that, then the deal’s dead, but if we can work together and try to find other ways, then we have a chance of keeping the deal alive and getting to the closing table. [5:42] It’s about how to help you get what you want so I can get what I want. Let’s create many ways to get there and find the best one. [5:51] Everybody wants a deal. You may be working with a client looking at a transaction like a war. You have to help them find options and negotiate so both parties are happy with the outcome. Monica reminds agents that we must train ourselves and our clients to negotiate well. [7:06] Evan says that one out of four buyers want their buyer’s agent, above everything else, to negotiate for them. They would rather you be a good negotiator than be good at finding them a house. Monica invites you to improve your negotiating skills. Promote them as part of your value. [8:43] In this episode, we will keep the buyer’s agent negotiating with the seller’s agent for their clients as our context. In Episode 2, we will discuss the agents negotiating with their clients for various things. [10:09] Evan explains the tangibles and intangibles of...

We are in Part 2 of my conversation with Dan Weisman about AI in the real estate industry. Dan is a director of innovation strategy in the Strategic Business Innovation and Technology Group at the National Association of REALTORS®. In his role, he researches technology, strategizes what this tech may mean in the future, and builds relationships with tech leaders to better understand and drive innovation in the real estate space. This episode is where we get practical, starting with using generative AI instead of Google for searches. How would that help you? What do you think about that? We’ll discuss software that is genuinely helpful for you in your business. We wrap up with virtual reality. As cool as it is, why do we not see it used more often? Dan gives us his insights. Let’s join him! [1:24] I am so glad to have more time with Dan Weisman to learn more AI tips. In this episode, we are going to get into practical things! You may want to listen again later and get some of the apps if you're driving. We will link any apps we mention in the show notes. Look them up when you park. [1:50] In the first episode, we discussed plug-ins and research to help us understand what’s available. [2:11] Dan Weisman is a Director of Innovation Strategy with the NAR. His team's focus is to look at and understand what technology is out there and help figure out how to drive innovation across the space to support membership in the industry. [3:33] Dan says the tech can be overwhelming. He does this full-time, and it seems something new every day if not every hour. You’ve got to be careful about not always chasing the shiny object. Many projects are getting built on generative AI products like ChatGPT and Gemini. [4:01] Dan’s team is trying to focus on the pain points the NAR membership feels in their transactions and tie together the research and the relationships NAR is building with startups and big tech companies to help REALTORS® to be more efficient and productive. [4:36] REALTORS® are talking to Dan about how many phone calls they receive and constantly being on call for their clients. Some cool products use AI to help schedule tasks and calendar meetings, almost like an AI assistant. [5:44] Monica is ready for those products! She keeps busy keeping track of her schedule between her Google calendar, notebook calendar, and wall calendar. [6:39] If you missed Part 1, generative AI is a tool that recently became more available to the public to generate information and content using artificial intelligence behind the scenes. Dan calls it Google search on steroids. Instead of multiple web pages, it gives you a relatively concise answer. [7:11] You can plug information into it and ask for a response, and it will help formulate it in whatever way you want, with context and tone. It’s for everyone. [7:56] Since ChatGPT launched, people have been talking about tech. Dan loves it! He’s been trying to talk about tech with agents for five years! It’s an opportunity for everyone to use a different type of AI product and service to free up some time to help them be more efficient. [9:17] Can Monica ask AI to orient her book in progress to another audience? Dan says yes, but it’s a tool in its infancy. It will do a good job manipulating the information you put into it to satisfy your request. Its accuracy varies. Like any work you put out, pay attention to what it says. [10:50] If Monica sees that you just copied and pasted your listing from ChatGPT, from the many long adjectives and how they sound, she does not trust it. Generative AI makes things up. [11:50] When Dan gives presentations, he uses the example of providing the data for a listing to ChatGPT, and ChatGPT writes the listing description but gives it the wrong number of bathrooms. Luckily, Dan checked it. ChatGPT can do complex things and at the same time make silly mistakes. [12:37] Always edit a listing for mistakes and personalize it as you want it to sound. It’s obvious...

Today, we will talk about AI in the real estate industry with Dan Weisman, a director of innovation strategy in the Strategic Business Innovation and Technology Group at the National Association of REALTORS®. In his role, he researches technology, strategizes on what this tech may mean in the future, and builds relationships with tech leaders to understand better and drive innovation in the real estate space. He is in the thick of thought leadership, creating new things for us. I asked him how I, as an agent, could personally use AI to help me in my business. Sometimes I do not default to it as quickly as I should. I found our conversation to be very interesting. We are releasing it in two episodes. This episode's Part 1 provides a big-picture overview of where we are now. It’s amazing how fast things change! Then, we discuss some good suggestions for better habits. Let’s get right into it! [1:51] Welcome, Dan Weisman, back on the podcast! We’re so glad to have you! [2:07] Dan Weisman is NAR’s Director of Innovation Strategy. His team’s role is to look at and understand what technology is out there and help the membership figure out how it may fit into their business to make them more successful, productive, and efficient daily. [3:26] People inaccurately equate AI to ChatGPT. The concept of AI started 70 years ago. We now have the computing power and data to make sense of AI. ChatGPT is generative AI, a subset of AI. AI places the ads and suggestions we see on Facebook. [4:22] Generative AI is new to the average person because of its ability to use a technology like AI and know that it’s AI. You don’t need to understand how Gen AI works; you need to understand if it can help support you efficiently in what you’re focusing on, whether selling real estate or researching a vacation. [6:02] Generative AI refers to anything generated by artificial intelligence. OpenAI has ChatGPT and DALL-e, and Google has Gemini. Open AI powers Microsoft Co-Pilot. Midjourney was out before Open AI. The average person can search the internet and use Gen AI to ask questions and get results. [8:14] Generative AI is in its infancy. It’s like the beginning of the internet. People are not using Gen AI like they use Google today, but they will when they get used to it and find the value in it. It’s developing itself. The more information we put into it, the better it will get. It’s the future of search. [10:32] Dan is a Mac user who uses the ChatGPT app for Mac. When he hits Option-S, ChatGPT comes up, and he can search within seconds. Training his mind to think differently than going to Google to search is a matter of training him. He gets an efficient answer with ChatGPT instead of pages of links to read. [11:47] Dan thinks paying a monthly fee to use Gen AI is worth it. It finds the sources and gives you the results of all the searches. It’s worth the $20.00 if you use it once a day. It’s not that much compared to what we spend on other technology, like our phones. [13:53] Dan mentions Meta. Meta.AI is a similar product to ChatGPT. It’s built on Meta’s Llama 3 free so far product, a large language model that many people use behind the scenes. Microsoft's partnership with OpenAI powers Microsoft Copilot. [14:40] The big tech companies are investing and taking the lead in developing AI products and services. Google, especially, is working on this. Search is core to what Google does. There is healthy, strong, big tech competition. Dan worries that big tech companies will have too much control over AI. [15:48] Google just lost a suit by the government about having a monopoly on search, based on Google paying hardware companies for Google to be the default search engine. Dan hopes this sets a precedent for giving multiple companies more of a fair opportunity to get in on the Gen AI game. [17:42] Meta AI is catching up, as Google did with Gemini. Dan believes Meta will probably have a monthly subscription model to align more closely with...

Today we have Ali Whitley and her son Martin Whitley back with us for Episode 2, where we discuss generational dynamics in the workplace and with our clients. Martin tells us more about his journey and how he decided he needed the specific house he purchased. There might be a pet involved! We discuss how it is a discouraging time for first-time home buyers, but there are ways you can get into the market. These two episodes are great to share with your clients! We are talking to REALTORS®, but this conversation is great for giving hope to potential buyers who think waiting out in this market is best. Ali and Martin are often talking right to your buyers. It’s great for them to listen and learn some things. Ali Whitley is the current president of the Ohio REALTORS®. She has a wealth of experience and knowledge. I am so thrilled to have her with us again, along with her 22-year-old son, Martin, who bought his first home in 2023. Today, we talked about more generations, and Martin gave us some tips about working cross-generationally. [1:57] I am so glad to return for the second episode with Ali Whitley and her son, Martin Whitley. Welcome! [2:47] Martin’s initial goal was to buy an investment property. He looked at duplexes and triplexes. The market in 2020‒2021 was very small. There were few investment properties in the area where Marton was looking. He was looking for a property where he could live on one side and rent out the other. [3:34] Not finding exactly what he wanted to get, Martin’s goals eventually shifted. [4:14] Ali had had buyers in their 20s looking for duplexes. That led to Martin's conversation about finding a duplex. But Martin wanted to be able to bring his large dog, Draco, with him, so ultimately, he determined that a single-family home with a backyard he could have a fence around worked best for him. [4:47] The possibility of getting into an investment, living in a duplex or triplex for a couple of years while renting it out, building additional equity and some income, and then moving on to a single-family home as a second purchase is a fantastic investment opportunity. Ali always shares this with young buyers. [5:45] Monica’s young Millennial son bought his first house at 26. He had things to fix in the home and faced hiring contractors. Later, he wanted to sell, and Monica advised him to interview three agents to find one he would like to work with. Each agent was different. [7:21] One agent in the local area came in with lots of data and showed professionalism. Monica’s son chose to work with that agent. If you are young, are you getting a real estate agent and a lender who will educate you? [7:38] Ali has an introductory conversation with new buyers. Buyers must be comfortable with the agent they are hiring to represent them. Agents approach real estate in different styles, practices, and ways. You must share that with your buyers so they are comfortable with you. It’s a big purchase! [8:02] One of the most significant, most important decisions a buyer will make is who will represent them and advocate for them in this big purchase they are about to make. [8:10] Sometimes, being of different generations, the agent and the buyer can have difficulty connecting. Monica has had young agents in her Senior Real Estate Professionals class who don’t know if they can work with elderly clients. [8:46] Ali stresses that regardless of what generation we, the agent, are and what generation the purchaser or the seller is, we need to be able to communicate with everyone across all generations. That goes for all types of service professionals. We should do our best to communicate with everyone. [9:11] Ali, as a Gen X, can communicate with buyers of any generation because she prepares to help her clients every step of the way. [10:08] Monica notes that this market's average age of first-time home buyers has increased to 36. She encourages listeners to listen to Part 1, where Martin describes the process of...

People are all different. With an open attitude on our part, they are a constant source of opportunity for education, and learning. I love learning from other people. One of my favorite topics over the last 10 years or more has been about generations. I’ve been learning and teaching about how people of different generations act and react since I began teaching the Senior Real Estate Specialist course in 2009. While stereotyping people is never good as a general rule, there are some things we can learn from studying cultural differences and commonalities within a group. My guests this month, Ali Whitley from Ohio and her son, Martin, will join me to discuss some characteristics of Generation Z and what we are seeing regarding their desires and actions around housing. We will also discuss the work and planning that Martin has done to help him purchase his first home. He’s very excited about it, and I’m excited for him! He shares some great insights and practical tips to help first-time home buyers focus on the goal of purchasing real estate. Ali Whitley is the current president of the Ohio REALTORS®. She is a successful agent and generous volunteer. Her leadership roles are myriad, and she also teaches courses. It’s such a pleasure to have her with us again on the Center for REALTOR® Development podcast, and what a treat to have her son join us today. [2:12] Welcome, Ali Whitley and Martin Whitley! Martin will tell all about his recent purchasing experience, hitting his goal of buying a home by the time he was 21 years old. Martin is excited to be on the podcast to speak about his experience of buying a house as a Gen Z home buyer. [4:37] Ali has been working with first-time buyers for years and helping other people’s children and grandchildren get into homes, and while she treats all clients equally, and advocates for her buyers, it was fun to deal with her son through this transaction, seeing it professionally and also as a family member. [6:23] Sometimes, Martin needed to ask his mother a business question, and she would go into business mode. He says it was mostly easy to separate business from family. Ali always knows “which hat she is wearing, and at what time.” [7:43] Martin is in Gen Z, which includes ages 12 to 27. Martin is 22. He bought a single-family house in Akron, Ohio. It only had small electrical issues. Martin hired an electrician to complete them. [9:52] Martin had called 10 or 15 people and got three responses. Electricians were backlogged at the time. He considered what was the best deal and looked at reviews to select the business. Hiring a contractor to work for him was a new experience for Martin. [11:01] Before buying the house, Martin had not noticed that the hookups for the washer were non-standard. He used “YouTube University” to get the right parts to hook it up himself. Martin was a set builder for the theater in school, so he could build things in the home. [12:49] Owning a home had been Martin’s goal since he was 15 or 16. As a young person, he saw his mom working as a REALTOR® throughout her career. He had a clear picture of what he wanted, and he made a plan to achieve it. [14:03] Before planning how to buy a home, Martin had started building savings habits toward buying a car. He worked three days a week in the school year and four or five days a week in the summer, saving to buy a car. That gave him a habit of saving money for what he needed and not spending it on wants. [14:44] He started working in cell phone sales and found stability in that business. He worked up a budget of what he needed to save and how he could achieve that amount. [15:57] Martin hears talk among his friends in Gen Z about the fear of the difficulty of getting a mortgage with a “gig” job when they can’t prove they have a steady income. Monica and Ali see education opportunities for real estate agents and freelancers to consult with tax professionals to prepare to buy. [18:20] Martin...

Here we are, back with Trenesha Harrison, for Episode 2 on New Construction. In our first episode, we discussed new construction from the perspective of the on-site agent, which is how Trenesha started in real estate. In this episode, we’ll discuss how to help you be more prepared as a buyers’ agent, bringing your buyer to the new home community. The two episodes go together, so we suggest you listen to both. Trenesha lives in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and she loves new construction because it’s always changing; it’s always different, and there’s so much that we can learn from how a home is built from the inside out. [2:03] Seeing new construction go up is awesome but it might be intimidating for buyers’ agents who may not understand the foundation, the framing, or the roofing. Trenesha has ideas about getting familiar with new construction. On-site agents and builders can train buyers’ agents about new construction. [2:52] Trenesha has had builders coordinate presentations for her team. Trenesha also does frame training with her team. It’s hard for clients to envision what a house looks like when they’re walking through just a bunch of sticks. It’s hard to put the walls up mentally. [3:12] Being able as an agent to look at a floor plan or blueprint and understand what you’re seeing will help you mentally put those walls up, not just for yourself but also for your client, so you can identify rooms and locations of appliances for them. You have to know what you’re looking at. [4:58] To learn floor plans, you have to look at the floor plans of a completed home and an incomplete home. Look at the floor plan as you walk through the completed model home and the framed home to see how the path leads you through the homes. [5:31] Learn the construction components, such as the plumbing, gas, and electrical wiring, and framing for a door versus a window. This will help you walk this frame with your clients and understand how to explain it. Photos of the framing can also show the buyer possible structural changes they could make. [7:28] Trenesha has done “X-ray” photos of framing. She also finds it helpful to walk through the house during framing. Understanding what your client is building, you can see anything that may not be right in the framing such as a missing window the client requested above the shower. Address it with the builder. [8:35] If your client finds something in the framing that doesn’t seem right to them, remain calm and say, let’s talk to the builder, so we can get this corrected as quickly as possible. You want to help the client relax a little built. Building a home is very stressful. [9:12] If you notice something wrong in the framing, address it with the builder as the buyers’ agent and let the client know you’ve covered it with the builder. You want to make sure your buyer understands you’re working as a team with them and the builder. [9:54] Keeping your eyes on the job site for your client will help this process go a lot smoother so you don’t get to the end and find structural mistakes that cannot be changed. [12:53] Within the Buyer-Broker Agreement, Trenesha writes verbiage that covers her exit fee compensation expectations for moving into a contract without her knowledge or participation. This lets buyers know their choices and encourages them to involve their buyers’ agent in any contract. [13:37] The client must understand that the builder is for the builder, but the buyers’ agent is for the client. Trenesha’s company has these conversations and verbiage standards with their clients from the top. Trenesha trains the agents in her brokerage on new construction. Not being trained well is a liability! [14:24] In consultations, Trenesha talks to clients about new construction as an option. Some people think that’s for buyers with a lot of money. They don’t realize there are price points that fit everybody. Anybody can own a new construction home during this time. This...

I love to be able to participate with my buyer clients when they want to buy new construction. I have bought two new homes, and I love the process of choosing what I want, watching it get built, then knowing how it was built, and having time to make a plan for the move. It’s not for everyone but it is a great option for a lot of people, and it is generally a bit more reliable than what we encounter with resale purchases; not always, but generally. Not all agents feel comfortable selling new construction, though. My guest this month, Trenesha Harrison, and I are going to help you see the benefits and show you how to ask better questions when selling new construction. There is a lot to learn about selling new construction and helping buyers buy new construction. Our first episode will feature Trenesha sharing some overview points and teaching us more about what it’s like to be on the side of working as a salesperson for the builder. Trenesha lives in Oklahoma City and she has varied experiences with new construction. She’ll tell you more about herself in our chat. She currently owns her brokerage firm. I’m so glad to have her with us, sharing her vast experiences and giving us some great wisdom. [2:07] Welcome, Trenesha Harrison! I am so glad to have you, with so much new construction experience. That’s what we’ll be talking about today, and you’ve worked on both sides of it. Tell us about yourself, where you live, and where you work. [2:26] Trenesha lives in Oklahoma City and has worked mostly there. She has been in real estate for nearly 11 years. She has also worked in the Dallas market for a couple of years. [3:02] Trenesha had worked for years for Oklahoma but was looking for a place where she fit. She took an interview for a job with a builder but the potential earnings seemed too good to be true and she didn’t believe it. They called her back for a second interview and she met the sales manager and the division president. The division president was passionate about the company and what it stood for. [4:05] Trenesha decided she could get behind someone with such passion for what he was doing. That first real estate job was at a growing regional company. Trenesha started in a sales role and, after a year, moved into a sales management position. [5:02] After that job, Trenesha moved to the Dallas area. She worked for two national builders there. The companies worked differently; she adopted their sales styles and got amazing training. [6:15] Trenesha feels like builders look for people with a sales background but not necessarily a real estate background. They look for people who understand how to take a “no” and move past it. [6:49] Builders’ on-site agents are trained differently than regular real estate agents. They are there to sell you a house. [7:18] Trenesha moved back to Oklahoma and worked for one more builder before she got her real estate license. After she got her license, she became a full-time real estate agent, working for a brokerage. She no longer worked for the new construction company. Some construction companies considered it to be a conflict of interest for their agents to be licensed, as licensed agents could compete against the company. [7:55] Trenesha notes that quite a few states don’t require a real estate license to sell new construction homes because you’re working as a sales professional under the builder. [8:37] New construction builders have career nights and ads on job websites and their websites. If you apply for a job as an on-site agent, ask if you would have to let your license go inactive. The sales training you would receive there is different from the training most real estate agents receive. [9:32] When selling for a builder, Trenesha liked coaching buyers who doubted their ability to buy a home, leading them to the right resources and helping them achieve a goal they didn’t know they could reach, to buy a home already built, under construction,...

In Part 1 with Brent Lancaster, we started the conversation about the Buyer Agreement and it’s a timely conversation. We recorded this before the proposed settlement from NAR was released. While the settlement is still proposed, and it’s not final, one of the key points in it is the importance of a signed agreement with our buyers. There are details to be clarified but it seems this topic is even more relevant than before we recorded it. This agreement with buyers to work together and get paid for the work you do is crucial for us. Brent owns a school and teaches CE classes in many states and is very familiar with the laws and agreements in many states. He’s not a lawyer and he’s not a pro on every single one but he does bring so much wisdom to the conversation. I’m thrilled to have him with me for this topic and I hope you join us for both episodes. Let’s join Brent and learn more about the sections that are in most Buyer Agreements. It’s important to understand all those sections, and why they are important. Your documents will vary from state to state, as does your law. Please refer to your state law first, guidance from your state and local associations, and, very importantly, your broker for clarity on your specific state and situation. [2:58] Brent Lancaster, welcome back with us! In the last episode, we talked about the Buyer Agreement, having the conversation with the buyer to sign it; why it’s important to sign it, and what happens if something goes wrong. In this episode, we want to discuss the elements of the Buyer Agreement. It’s becoming more important that they are accurate. [3:49] Defining your Buyer Agreement and how you fill it out is the job of your broker and the lawyers in your state. It is not your job. We’ll talk about some of the things we teach in the ABR® Accredited Buyer’s Representative designation. Go to your broker and your state law for your policy; also check with your state and local associations. [5:25] The commitment has a start date and an end date with a caveat for an automatic extension for a closing that is scheduled beyond the end date, similar to a listing agreement. The length may be negotiated. It may be for 180 days or no longer than a year to be enforceable. [6:56] In a discussion with a broker, in arbitration, or with a judge, they will look at much more than the agreement as to whether it’s enforceable. They’ll look at how closely you worked together, who made a change, how much work you did, and more. How many calories did you burn? [7:45] The Carryover Period extends the time of the agreement if the buyer buys a property after the agreement that you showed the buyer during the agreement. The buyer may still owe compensation. This clause protects you. [8:40] The Duties of Each Party is in two paragraphs. Discuss this in your buyer consultation in terms of your responsibilities and the buyer’s responsibilities. Try to have the same number of bullet points for each party. Brent gives some examples and priorities of the responsibilities of the agent. [12:50] Brent discusses some responsibilities of the buyer. The first is to work exclusively with the agent. Explain why that’s important. Discuss what happens if the buyer is approached by another agent, or walks through a model home. No one in a model home represents the buyer. They are working for the seller. [14:05] The buyer consultation covers some of these situations, such as what properties they’ve looked at, if they have financing and more. [15:51] One section deals with compensation. Explain how money flows in the transaction. The buyer gets a loan or cash. They hand that money to the seller. The seller pays off the mortgage, and fees, and keeps the net. The listing and buying agents get paid. Explain how much you get paid for your service. [17:35] Tell your buyer what your fee is and that you will do your best to get it from the seller. If the seller refuses, the buyer decides if they want...

Please Note: Effective August 17, 2024, all MLS Participants working with a buyer are required to obtain a written buyer agreement before touring a home. For details about this and other practice changes, please visit facts.realtor. This is our 100th episode — 100 great episodes with so many amazing people who volunteered their time to help you be the best agent you can be! So many helpful topics for your business! Who has been with me on the whole journey, even if you missed a few? If you see me out on the road at Midyear, Annual, or in a class, greet me and tell me what your favorite episode was! I’d love to hear it! Today, my guest, Brent Lancaster, and I talk about the often legally required, Buyer Representation Agreement. We recorded this before the proposed settlement from the NAR was released. While that settlement is still proposed, and not final, one of the key points in it is the importance of a signed agreement with our buyers. There certainly are many details to be clarified, but it seems this topic is even more relevant than when we recorded it last month, and we knew it was relevant then. This agreement with buyers to work together and get paid for the work you do is crucial to our work. Brent owns a school and teaches CE classes in many states. He’s very familiar with the laws and agreements in many states. He brings so much wisdom to the conversation. I am thrilled to have him with me on this important topic! I hope you can join me for both episodes! [3:47] Brent Lancaster is our guest for our 100th episode! Brent says he’s got fireworks and confetti! Brent is super excited and congratulates Monica on the 100th episode! [4:36] The laws and agency status in each state are not the same. As we talk about this, we need you, the listener, to recognize there are nuances and local practices. Always confirm questions with your broker. [5:11] We’re going to talk about buyer agency commitments. Not every state practices buyer agency and agreements differ by state. Some states are changing their laws. Watch for changes in your state. We’re recording this in March of 2024. [6:24] First, know what your state’s default agency position is. Regarding clients and customers, you owe your clients a lot more than you do your customers. We need to be honest and truthful to everyone. [7:20] You don’t owe your customers a fiduciary duty. You owe your clients a higher level of service: loyalty, obedience, confidentiality, and in some states, fiduciary duty. You also have the Code of Ethics, over and above the law. [8:41] March’s episodes with Lynn Madison are about all the things agents do for buyers. The structure is changing and there’s no longer an MLS amount a buyer’s agent will get paid. You’ll need an agreement, [10:22] Buyer’s agents have just been accepting the Offer of Compensation. You show different properties, do the same thing, and are offered three different levels of compensation. That’s going away. Now, you, the buyer’s agents are in charge of your level of compensation. [11:27] Now you get to put your value on paper. A lot of agents haven’t done it. Change is hard even if you want to change. We’re at the point where it’s potentially obligated. Get on board, early! [12:12] Brent says a conversation needs to happen before a contract. Brent sits with a seller or a buyer and explains his value and services. The Listing Agreement or the Buyer Representation Agreement is a summation of those conversations. [15:35] Tell your buyer that to perform services for them to help them buy the house they want, you need to be in a client relationship with them. That’s what the Buyer Representation Agreement does. You must know what your value is. Do you struggle with your value? Go to Competition.REALTOR (now facts.realtor) for ideas! [17:11] When do you have the buyer sign the Buyer Representation Agreement? What do your broker and state law say? Brent says to have the buyer sign before the...