Jillian on Love

The biggest threat to your relationship might not be your communication — it might be the story you’re telling yourself. In this episode, Jillian explores how negative narratives, overthinking, and fear-based assumptions quietly turn partners into enemies and create resentment where love still exists. She breaks down why the mind becomes a battlefield in relationships and shares practical tools to help you step out of destructive thought patterns and back into connection. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Threads: @jillianturecki YouTube: @jillian.turecki Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if the story you’ve been telling yourself — that you’re “too much,” too sensitive, or too difficult — was never actually true? In this listener call, Jillian helps a woman unpack a lifelong belief that she’s “too much” and shows how that story can follow you into adulthood—especially in relationships. They explore what happens when sensitivity gets labeled as “difficult,” how a parent’s emotional limits shape your self-image, and why heartbreak can pull you back into old wounds. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki Threads: @jillianturecki YouTube: @jillian.turecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian is joined by Harvard psychologist Dr. Ellen Langer, the pioneer of mindfulness research, for a conversation that challenges everything you think you know about stress, healing, and being present. Dr. Langer explains why mindfulness isn’t about meditation—it’s about noticing. They unpack how our mindset shapes our relationships, our health, and even how we age. From letting go of labels to rethinking forgiveness, this episode is a masterclass in conscious living. Buy Dr. Ellen Langer’s book, The Mindful Body Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With Valentine’s Day around the corner, Jillian dives into one of the biggest obstacles to real love today — the growing resentment and distrust between men and women. In this episode of Jillian on Love, she explores how past hurt and social media narratives have pushed us into seeing the opposite sex as the enemy, and why that mindset quietly sabotages connection. Jillian unpacks the different fears men and women carry into relationships and how compassion and emotional safety are the foundation of lasting love. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian works with a listener who’s spent most of her adult life in long-term relationships and is now learning how to trust herself in choosing love differently. After leaving a seven-year relationship and starting over on her own, she opens up about adapting too much in past partnerships, fearing the wrong choice, and struggling to know what she truly wants. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian sits down with Jay Shetty to talk about what “the work” in love actually looks like — in real time. Jay shares why he created Messy Love (his Audible Original), where listeners get to “sit in the room” with real couples as they navigate cheating narratives, unmet expectations, old wounds, and the messy middle between conflict and connection. Jillian and Jay unpack why compassion isn’t permissive — it’s structured, boundaried, and powerful — and why most relationship fights spiral into accusation, criticism, and defense… leaving zero room for love. If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re asking your partner to change…or asking them to be someone they’re simply not, this episode will land. Listen to Messy Love: Difficult Conversations for Deeper Connection Try Jillian on Love Plus FREE for 30 days! Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when a relationship starts with intensity, reassurance, and “I’ve done the work” — and then slowly turns into jealousy, control, and emotional chaos? In this coaching session, Jillian helps a listener unpack why she keeps choosing emotionally unstable partners, how early red flags get missed, and what emotional stability actually looks like in real life. This episode is about learning to trust your body, stop dating potential, and finally choose a partner who can meet you where you are. Try Jillian on Love Plus FREE for 30 days! Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dating in 2026 feels harder than ever—but what if the problem isn’t you, it’s how you’re approaching it? In this episode, Jillian breaks down the biggest mindset shifts she’s seen actually work with her clients—from letting go of the pressure to “find the one,” to raising your standards in the right way, slowing down attraction, and learning how to choose connection over fantasy. If you’re tired of repeating the same dating patterns and want to feel more grounded, confident, and clear, this episode will reset how you think about love. Try Jillian on Love Plus FREE for 30 days! Join The Conscious Woman Waitlist - https://jillianturecki.com/waitlist Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever been in a healthy relationship and still felt anxious waiting for it to fall apart? In this coaching episode, Jillian works one-on-one with a woman who can’t stop overthinking as her relationship moves out of the honeymoon phase. Together, they unpack why reassurance fades, how anxiety quietly sabotages connection, and what actually keeps love secure—without creating problems where none exist. Try Jillian on Love Plus FREE for 30 days! Join The Conscious Woman Waitlist - https://jillianturecki.com/waitlist Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Jillian reads from It Begins With You to break down one of the most painful patterns in modern dating: confusing lust, intensity, and obsession with real love. She explains why chemistry can feel intoxicating—and why it so often leads to confusion, unmet needs, and heartbreak. If you’ve ever felt addicted to someone who couldn’t show up for you, this episode brings clarity back to where love actually begins. This episode is sponsored by Olipop. http://drinkolipop.com/JILLIAN Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if the reason your relationship feels so painful is because you’re loving someone’s potential instead of who they actually are? In this episode, Jillian unpacks why trying to fix or change a partner creates resentment, pressure, and emotional burnout. She explores emotional capacity, radical self-honesty, and how to communicate your needs without turning love into a project. Join the Conscious Woman waitlist - ⁠https://jillianturecki.com/waitlist⁠ Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special coaching episode, Jillian sits down with a 38-year-old listener who’s four dates into a new connection and stuck in her head about one big question: Is he actually interested, or just passive? Together, they unpack why slow, calm chemistry can feel confusing when you’re used to intensity, what to do when someone’s texting and effort don’t quite match your needs, and how to treat early dating as data instead of a referendum on your worth. Jillian coaches her on how to flirt, set the tone without over-pursuing, keep dating other people, and show up as the most confident version of herself—even when there’s still no kiss. Join the Conscious Woman waitlist - ⁠https://jillianturecki.com/waitlist⁠ Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Many people feel pulled toward someone who isn’t good for them, even when they know the relationship is toxic. In this episode, Jillian breaks down the five core reasons we become addicted to people who mistreat us — from erotic charge, to low self-worth, to boredom and unmet needs. She shares personal experience, clinical insight, and the psychology of desire to help listeners finally understand their patterns. This episode is about clarity, self-compassion, and choosing something better. Join the Conscious Woman waitlist - ⁠https://jillianturecki.com/waitlist⁠ This episode is sponsored by Olipop. http://drinkolipop.com/JILLIAN Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Is it really “embarrassing” to have a boyfriend? In this episode, Jillian unpacks the viral Vogue UK article and the cultural shift that’s convincing women to hide their relationships. She explores the deeper shadow dynamics at play — jealousy, shrinking ourselves to belong, and the fear of being judged if a relationship ends. Jillian makes a powerful case for owning your joy, celebrating healthy love, and refusing to dim your light for anyone. This episode is sponsored by Olipop. http://drinkolipop.com/JILLIAN Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Jillian breaks down ten of the most important — and sometimes painful — lessons she’s learned about love. From why chemistry without safety creates chaos, to how habits shape happiness, to the truth about readiness, accountability, and emotional maturity, she walks through the mindsets that actually build lasting connection. These lessons are equal parts grounding and liberating, helping you step into relationships with more clarity, strength, and self-trust. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special live coaching session, Jillian speaks with a woman who is struggling to end her 17-year marriage to a good man—and wrestling with overwhelming guilt about breaking up her family. As they unpack the story, a deeper truth emerges: the real turning point wasn’t “lack of growth” or “misaligned goals,” but a painful and confusing experience in which her husband repeatedly encouraged her to date other men in hopes of fixing their intimacy. Jillian helps her name the hurt, the rejection, and the sense of being unseen that she’s been carrying alone. This conversation is a powerful look at consent, self-advocacy, and the courage required to tell the full truth—both to yourself and to your partner. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian dives into one of the most confusing parts of love—telling the difference between an unmet need and an unrealistic expectation. She breaks down how projection, attachment, and self-awareness shape what we ask for in relationships, and what happens when those needs go unanswered. Plus, she answers a moving listener question about letting go of unrequited love, sharing tangible ways to find peace and move forward. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian dives into heartbreak—the kind that feels endless—and explains why “just move on” misses the mark. She reframes breakups as a form of living grief and walks listeners through a practical healing plan: stop romanticizing the ex, rewrite the story from multiple perspectives, and choose proactive recovery. With personal examples and grounded tools, Jillian shows how to transform rejection into redirection, rebuild self-worth, and let go without losing yourself. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jillian breaks down one of the most talked-about topics in modern psychology: attachment styles. But instead of sticking to labels, she challenges the oversimplified ways we use them—and offers a more grounded, compassionate way to understand why we love, cling, or pull away. Jillian shares personal insights into how she healed her own attachment wounds and explains the deeper influences of culture, family conditioning, trauma, and life context on our relationships. This is your guide to moving beyond “anxious” or “avoidant” and toward true emotional security and connection. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when you love your partner but the passion is gone? In this episode, Jillian dives deep into one of the most common struggles in long-term relationships — losing physical and emotional spark. She breaks down why attraction fades, what it really takes to rekindle chemistry, and how to tell if it can truly come back. Download Jillian’s FREE limerence workbook, http://jillianturecki.com/workbook Join my community and membership, The Conscious Woman Submit your relationship question for Jillian at https://forms.gle/FbtgkGTwfnrjvHwW7 Order Jillian's book It Begins with You: The 9 Hard Truths About Love That Will Change Your Life at https://www.jillianturecki.com/book ~~ Follow the show on: Instagram: @jillianonlove Email the show at hello@jillianonlove.com Subscribe to Jillian on Love+ on Apple Podcasts or Patreon ~~ Follow Jillian Turecki on: Instagram: @jillianturecki TikTok: @jillian.turecki X: @JillianTurecki Visit her website at jillianturecki.com ~~ Jillian On Love is brought to you by QCODE. To advertise on the show, contact us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices