That UFO Podcast

In Part 1 of this two-part interview, former U.S. Army intelligence officer and Project Stargate remote viewer Joe McMoneagle reveals what it was really like inside America’s psychic espionage program. We discuss: Joe’s early life and UFO encounter in The Bahamas His recruitment into military intelligence The Soviet “super-submarine” case CIA operational missions Why remote viewing worked - and why it was controversial The internal battles that led to the program’s closure This episode focuses on the operational side of remote viewing, the missions, the results, and the politics behind the scenes. Part 2 continues with the controversial “Ancient Mars” session and Joe’s views on UFOs and advanced civilizations. Joe's books: https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/author/B00MD24CZW 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

It’s been a busy few weeks in the world of UFO news. In this episode of That UFO Podcast, Andy breaks down newly released footage reportedly captured by an MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Jordanian-Syrian border, showing what appears to be instantaneous acceleration, one of the “five observables.” We also dive into newly surfaced Russian UFO files reportedly smuggled out by George Knapp in the 1990s, including mass sightings, alleged onboard encounters, and Soviet-era investigations into the phenomenon. Plus: • Congressman Eric Burlison discusses a classified location allegedly housing a massive craft too large to move • A potential new whistleblower on the horizon • Bob Lazar makes a surprise return during the “It’s Probably Nothing” stage show • The latest Super Bowl trailer for Spielberg’s Disclosure Day • Listener questions on document transfers, the UAP Disclosure Act, and whether any of this is real With upcoming interviews featuring Richard Dolan and Joe McMoneagle, the conversation continues to evolve. Is this a calm before the storm, or the start of something bigger? 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this episode of That UFO Podcast, Andy is joined by constitutional lawyer and New Paradigm Institute president Danny Sheehan for a wide-ranging discussion on UFO secrecy and the current state of disclosure. Sheehan explains why he believes Congress already has the constitutional authority to declassify UFO information, how whistleblower protections could change the landscape, and why public pressure is becoming impossible to ignore. The conversation also touches on testimony involving a deathbed confession of an alleged encounter with a non-human entity, raising deeper questions about how such accounts should be understood and evaluated. A timely and revealing discussion on power, secrecy, and the future of disclosure. https://newparadigminstitute.org/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this episode, Andy is joined by Reed Summers, organiser of the UAP Detection and Tracking Summit, and Rich Hoffman, veteran UAP researcher and Strategic Advisor to the summit. The conversation focuses on why detection and tracking are now the most critical steps in UAP research, the limitations of leaked military footage, the growing role of citizen science, and why transparent, multi-sensor data is essential if the subject is ever to move beyond speculation. Reed and Rich discuss how modern technology makes civilian-led UAP detection possible, the importance of international data standards, and how public participation may be key to meaningful progress on the issue. This episode serves as a practical overview of the goals, thinking, and scientific approach behind the upcoming UAP Detection and Tracking Summit. Use Code UAPDetect30 or ThatUFOPodcast30 for 30% off your ticket https://uapsummit.org/event/uap-summit-2026/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In part two, we move into the most unsettling and controversial testimony connected to Rendlesham Forest. Gary discusses accounts of beams of light directed into nuclear bunkers, grid-like scanning patterns over the base, and visual descriptions of a translucent wedge-shaped craft observed at close range. We also explore testimony describing a glowing fog near ground level, objects dividing into multiple forms, and reports of what appeared to be non-human beings seen near the craft during a silent encounter. Finally, we examine what these details imply, why they were rarely discussed publicly, and how they challenge conventional explanations of the incident. This is the side of the Rendlesham case that is almost never explored in mainstream coverage. https://www.amazon.co.uk/NON-HUMAN-Rendlesham-Forest-Incidents-Denial/dp/B0BVDF6W2Z 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In part one of this conversation, Gary Heseltine breaks down the Rendlesham Forest incident from the ground up. We focus on the credibility of the witnesses involved, the fact that Rendlesham was not a single event but a series of multiple timed incidents, and why the location of the base as a nuclear weapons storage site changes how the case should be viewed. Gary also explains how the official story became streamlined over time, how key testimony was pushed aside, and why the Rendlesham narrative most people are familiar with does not reflect the full body of evidence. This episode sets the foundation for understanding why Rendlesham remains such a significant and unresolved case. https://www.amazon.co.uk/NON-HUMAN-Rendlesham-Forest-Incidents-Denial/dp/B0BVDF6W2Z 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this end of month news update, I break down some of the most important and under discussed developments in the UFO and UAP space as we head towards February 2026. Topics include new claims around detection and sensor limitations, recent FOIA refusals and media access restrictions revealed by The Black Vault, and renewed debate around the Nazca mummies. I also cover a notable article published in The Sunday Times suggesting central banks should consider the financial stability risks of a future UAP disclosure, followed by a clearly separated statement provided to me by former Bank of England analyst Helen McCaw. Her argument focuses on institutional culture, risk assessment, and why low probability, high impact scenarios can no longer be dismissed. The episode closes with listener questions, discussion around how the UAP conversation is spreading across society, and a look ahead at major space developments from China and NASA. https://uapsummit.org/event/uap-summit-2026/ Discount Code - ThatUFOPodcast30 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

This special episode of That UFO Podcast pays tribute to Erich von Däniken, the Swiss author whose book Chariots of the Gods? helped popularise the ancient astronaut hypothesis and reshape public conversations about humanity’s past. Erich von Däniken passed away on January 10th 2026 at the age of 90. In this episode, Andy reflects on von Däniken’s life, influence, and the controversy surrounding his work, before sharing a short archival audio interview recorded several years ago ahead of von Däniken’s appearance at Contact in the Desert. A respectful look at a figure whose ideas inspired curiosity, debate, and imagination for generations. Pick up "Chariots of the Gods" - https://amzn.eu/d/3bgUYPm 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

On January 20th, a major UFO focused event took place at the Washington DC Press Club, hosted by James Fox and featuring testimony and discussion around legacy crash retrieval programs, alleged non human biologics, and long standing cases including Brazil and Varginha. In this episode, Andy is joined by researcher and social media analyst Joe Murgia for a detailed breakdown of what was said, what stood out, and what still feels frustratingly out of reach. They discuss the possibility of exhuming a body with family permission using modern science, the existence of alleged smoking gun videos that remain unseen, and why mainstream media once again failed to show up in force. The conversation also explores the limits of disclosure, whistleblower protections, national security concerns, and why for the public, it may now be bodies or craft or nothing at all. Is disclosure stalled, delayed, or simply waiting for undeniable proof. https://x.com/TheUfoJoe 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

This is a breaking news episode summarising today’s UFO press event at the National Press Club in Washington DC, focused on the 1996 Varginha UFO case in Brazil. Andy provides a factual, chronological recap of the event, including sworn witness testimony, recorded statements from Brazilian witnesses who were denied US visas, and commentary from congressional and medical figures. The episode also covers the lack of mainstream media presence, the role of whistleblower protections, and listener reaction following the event. Witness video statements discussed in this episode are available on YouTube and X. 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part 2, Matt Ford explains why he takes a confrontational stance online, calling out professional debunkers, media narratives, and institutional behaviour around UAPs. We discuss accountability, skepticism versus narrative management, and where the UFO conversation may be heading next. 🎧 Available on all podcast platforms 📘 Atlas of UFOs by Andy available now - https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs Matt's work - https://linktr.ee/thegoodtroubleshow https://uapsummit.org/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part 1, journalist and The Good Trouble Show host Matt Ford discusses his background, early interest in UFOs, personal experiences, and why stigma continues to shape the conversation. We explore how experiencers are affected by ridicule, why many stay silent for decades, and the human cost of dismissing the phenomenon outright. 🎧 Available on all podcast platforms 📘 Atlas of UFOs by Andy available now - https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs Matt's work - https://linktr.ee/thegoodtroubleshow https://uapsummit.org/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this special archival episode, we revisit a largely forgotten but highly significant moment in modern UFO history. In November 2007, international military, aviation, scientific, and government officials gathered at the National Press Club in Washington DC to publicly discuss their UFO encounters and official investigations, a full decade before the subject re-entered the mainstream conversation in 2017. Participants included senior figures from the United States, United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Iran, Peru, and Chile, many of whom described incidents involving radar tracking, military interception, physical effects, and objects exhibiting performance beyond known technology. This episode is compiled from the original 2007 event recordings and is published with the explicit permission of filmmaker James Fox. Advertising on this episode supports the continued production and archiving of historical UFO material. The release of this archival event comes ahead of the upcoming National Press Club UAP press conference taking place in Washington DC on January 20th, where new witnesses and experts are expected to address the issue. A link to that event is included in the show notes. This episode is presented for historical and educational purposes and provides essential context for understanding how today’s UFO discussion was shaped long before the current disclosure era. Check out the 20th January event here - https://www.youtube.com/@NationalPressClubLive/streams 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this episode, I’m joined once again by Avi Loeb, Harvard astrophysicist, head of the Galileo Project, and author of Extraterrestrial and Interstellar. We dive deep into 3I/ATLAS, the third known interstellar object ever detected, and why it has sparked intense scientific interest and public debate. Avi explains the unusual features of this object, including its anti-tail, orbital alignment, and chemical signatures, and why these anomalies deserve serious scrutiny. We also discuss the CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response to records about 3I/ATLAS, the idea of black swan events, criticism of narrow SETI searches, and why institutional risk-aversion may be holding science back. This conversation explores interstellar visitors, scientific curiosity, stigma, and what discovering extraterrestrial technology would mean for humanity’s future. Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 https://avi-loeb.medium.com/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next. Check out Pavel's work - https://allmylinks.com/pavelanche Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In Part 2, the conversation moves from history into consequences. Andy and Ryan examine how UFO skepticism evolved from scientific caution into something far more strategic. They explore radar interference theories, early claims of recovered craft, and whether figures like Donald Menzel knowingly participated in long-term counterintelligence efforts. The discussion expands into modern UFO debates, including skepticism versus debunking, the treatment of eyewitness testimony, belief systems, and why the burden of proof in UFO research remains uniquely high. This episode asks a difficult question: if skepticism was shaped by intelligence needs decades ago, are we still arguing inside rules that were set long before we knew they existed? Check out Ryan's work - https://unquestionably.substack.com/ Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

In this breaking news update, Andy covers a series of major developments shaping the UFO and UAP conversation as 2026 begins. The episode opens with the surprise appearance of a new book listing from Luis Elizondo. Titled Reckoning: The Unspoken Truth about UFOs and the Urgency of Now, the book has quietly appeared on publisher and retail sites with an expected 2026 release. Andy reads and analyses the full publisher blurb, discusses timing, positioning, and why this release matters coming from a former Pentagon insider. Attention then turns to David Grusch and his recent high-profile interview on The Megyn Kelly Show. Andy breaks down Grusch’s comments on crash retrievals, legacy programs, misinformation campaigns, deep-state dynamics, and why Grusch appearing publicly now may be significant. The episode also covers: Congressional frustration over denied oversight Claims involving former intelligence leadership Online tensions within the disclosure community The CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response regarding the interstellar object ‘Oumuamua / Atlas Reactions from Avi Loeb, ahead of Andy’s upcoming interview with him Reflections on Chris Bledsoe’s appearance on American Alchemy Updates on potential upcoming press events and documentaries A wide-ranging but grounded look at what’s happening, why it matters, and what may come next. Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

You can order my book here - https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs UFO skepticism didn’t begin with social media or YouTube debunkers. In Part 1 of this conversation, Andy is joined by researcher and writer Ryan Purkey to explore the early life and career of Donald H. Menzel, a Harvard astronomer, naval intelligence officer, and one of the most influential figures in shaping how UFOs would be publicly dismissed. This episode traces Menzel’s rise through academia, his World War II work in cryptography and radar, and how those skills placed him at the heart of Cold War intelligence at the exact moment UFOs entered the public consciousness. From early crash recovery timelines to the foundations of organised skepticism, Part 1 sets the historical groundwork for understanding why the UFO topic looks the way it does today. Check out Ryan's work - https://unquestionably.substack.com/ Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Order my new book: https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs In this special Ask Me Anything episode, Andy kicks off 2026 by answering listener questions from across the UFO community and reflecting on where the phenomenon stands after a turbulent 2025. Topics include disclosure fatigue, whistleblowers, underwater UFOs, public readiness, media responsibility, AI, citizen disclosure, and whether governments still control the narrative. Andy also looks ahead to what could genuinely move the needle in 2026, including upcoming hearings, whistleblower claims, major documentaries, and shifting public attitudes. This episode explores belief, skepticism, frustration, curiosity, and the uncomfortable reality that disclosure may not look the way anyone expects. Stay tuned for bonus content if you're a paid member Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy

Documentary filmmaker James Fox returns to That UFO Podcast to discuss new revelations surrounding Moment of Contact and the Varginha UFO case. From alleged crash retrievals and live beings to missing videos and military involvement, James explains why this case may be the most important of them all. Catch M.o.C here - https://geni.us/MOC_NewRevelations 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: Andy’s book Atlas of UFOs explores some of the most famous and compelling cases from around the world. 👉 https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy