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How do you get your boss to actually fund journey management? 💰 We’ve all felt the frustration of making an impressive map that everyone "likes" but nobody actually uses. when that happens, our practice loses credibility. Season 2 of the Journey Management Playbook is here to fix that by focusing on the BUSINESS CASE. what we cover in this episode: "nice-to-have.""fluffy" guest spotlight: Martin Palamarz is the chief customer officer at TheyDo. he spends his time helping global organizations scale their CX efforts and understands the language of executive decision-making. Resources: It’s best to watch the video version on Youtube to see the examples on screen, but you can also find the slide deck in the show notes below. --- [ 1. LINKS ] --- Playbook SlidesCX Cost CalculatorThe Journey Management Playbook --- [ 2. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Journey Management Playbook S2E01 02:00 Martin's background 04:30 Origin story of TheyDo 06:45 Series overview: CX costs 08:45 The CX Toolkit 10:00 Bridging the gap 13:45 Forrester research findings 16:30 CX & business performance 19:30 The Norway story 23:00 Boardroom metrics 30:45 The Cost of Bad CX 38:30 High-value journey steps 40:30 Drop Off Rate Explained 42:30 "Nice-to-have" trap 48:15 Service design & revenue 50:00 Starting small 52:15 Mckinsey research 57:30 AI for customer data 1:00:00 3-minute executive reports 1:01:30 Ticket value & variables 1:08:30 Bad CX VS. CX Investment 1:12:00 Building momentum 1:14:00 the final challenge --- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-snipd

Our brains were not designed for this pace... Just think about it. For thousands of years, humans had ages to adapt to new technology. When we discovered fire or the steam engine, we had generations to figure out the implications. Today, things are shifting so fast that trying to keep up by just "learning more stuff" feels biologically impossible. At least to me 🤣 It’s like you’re trying to run 2026 apps on the operating system of a legendary—but limited—Nokia 3310 phone. So, for this episode, I sat down with Nav Qirti from the School of Metaskills to talk about why we’re looking at the "skills gap" all wrong. Nav argues that we should stop chasing "functional skills" (which have a very short shelf life anyway) and focus on the things technology can't touch: judgment, curiosity, and reasoning. We also dive into why you can’t just read a book to get better at empathy or judgment. Nav explains that you need a "proxy environment" to train those muscles. Most professionals I know practice by just following a script, but Nav shows us how to build the mental strength behind the craft. This conversation offers an optimistic path forward by focusing on the core human abilities that technology simply cannot replace. Which of your "mental muscles" feels a bit weak lately? If you’ve got a moment, leave a comment below and let me know. I’d love to hear what a "workout" would actually look like for you 🙂 Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 251 04:00 The Falling Behind Puzzle 05:30 6Adapting to AI 08:15 Seeing what matters 10:15 Obsolete hard skills 12:30 Outdated learning models 15:00 The 90/10 Imbalance 16:45 Bucketing Skills 17:15 Communication as a base 19:00 Human survival traits 21:15 Building capacity 25:45 Expertise vs. scripts 29:15 Measuring the wrong things 37:30 Leadership and meta-skills 39:45 The shift from "doing" to "leading" 42:15 Why technical expertise has a ceiling 45:00 Identifying your personal meta-skill gaps 48:15 Low-stakes practice 50:00 Defining Proxy Environments 51:30 How to practice judgment daily 55:15 Building empathy without the pressure 58:15 Anxiety to Control 59:00 Reframing the AI threat 1:01:00 Focusing on the human operating system 1:02:15 Regaining professional confidence 1:02:30 Closing thoughts --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/navqirti/www.navqirti.comwww.metaskills.globalSkills to make us future ready & future relevant --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-snipd

What happens when a service design professional does their job well... Usually? Absolutely nothing. No organizational gears grind. No customers complain. No one panics. You did your job, so the disaster simply stayed in your head instead of becoming a reality. That’s the curse, though. No one's going to congratulate you for a crisis they didn't have to experience. I sat down with Jin Wan and Chad Cheverier for the this episode of Inside Service Design to talk about this "great enabler" trap. To make things practical, Jin had a great example about redesigning an onboarding journey. His biggest win wasn't a shiny new interface. It was moving a step in the verification process to the backend so nobody had to intervene manually. It saved the company (and customers) countless hours, but the solution itself is completely unseen. Chad mentioned a similar struggle. Looking at his quarterly review and realizing he doesn't have many "shiny" deliverables to show. His best work was aligning teams and coaching PMs to do their jobs better, which doesn't look like a "deliverable". So, how do you stay motivated when your best work is invisible and goes unnoticed? And more importantly, how do you sell the value of that work to the people holding the budget? We unpack all of that in this episode. If you had to make an estimate, how much of the work you do is "invisible"? Send me a quick reply and let me know. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to February Round Up 05:00 Jin's path: From IT and HR to Marketing and CX 07:30 Chad's path: From photography to in-house design 10:45 What a CX professional does at a startup 11:45 Why you should ignore job titles 14:30 Jin’s digital onboarding in financial services 18:00 Why service design feels like internal consulting 24:35 Core competencies missing from design education 31:15 Navigating the "messy middle" of organizational change 39:00 Dealing with stakeholders who bake in solutions 45:30 The power of simplifying complex journey maps 52:00 Strategies for building internal resilience 58:45 Advice for aspiring in-house service designers --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadcheverier/https://www.linkedin.com/in/wanjin/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-11-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-11-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-11-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-11-snipd

I'll let you in on a small secret... Ten years ago, the Service Design Show was never even supposed to be a podcast. And somehow here we are. We've officially hit episode 250. Its been a decade since I published that very first interview. Somewhat of a cliche but, I never expected to reach this milestone. I still remember the early days very well when I was struggling with a "split identity". Torn between running a service design agency and following this pull toward content creation. It took me a good three years to finally take the leap, but looking back, it was the best decision I ever made. As you'll notice, this episode is quite different. Usually, it’s my job to ask the questions, but in this one, I’m the one answering them. I wanted to share some of the messy, behind-the-scenes lessons from the last decade. They are quite personal but who knows maybe you can use them as tools in your own practice. We’re diving into things like my cheat code to gain clarity, the power of friction, what I’ve learned about building real connections and how "remarkable" things are often built through consistent, often unglamorous work. And yes, I even answer some hot questions from the community. I have to say that recording this episode was both difficult and incredibly rewarding. So, if you’ve been on this journey with me, I’d love for you to join me for this reflection. This milestone isn't just mine, it’s ours. By the way, if you prefer our regular interview format, feel free to skip this one. I won't judge! We’ll be back to our normal schedule next week. Thank you again for your attention, your trust, and for being part of this movement. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to EP 250 03:30 Friction of a "split identity" 05:00 How did I get into service design 06:30 Overlap between engineering and design skills 07:00 Letting go of code 08:15 Biggest lessons I learned in the last decade 08:45 Don’t wait for permission to start your project 10:15 The power of consistency over perfection 12:30 Choosing guests for the podcast 13:00 The "Curiosity Filter" 15:45 The shift from generalist to specialist topics in service design 18:30 One of the most challenging episodes 19:15 Dealing with technical failures and "lost" interviews 22:00 The future of the Service Design Show 22:45 Moving towards more community-driven content 25:15 Some Advice for someone starting their own podcast 26:00 Focusing on the "Why" before the "How" 28:30 Importance of building a platform you own 31:45 The ripple effect of 250 conversations 34:30 Thank you for being part of the journey --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcfonteijnhttps://www.servicedesignshow.com/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/250-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/250-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/250-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/250-snipd

This episode falls into a pattern that's hard to ignore... I'm seeing a growing undercurrent of design leaders strongly advocating for a more sustainable approach toward work and life. It is hard to separate this development from the rise of AI, which is shaping many aspects of our lives and turning what we know upside down. Sure, there's always been a push to do more, and preferably faster and cheaper, but now with AI, it feels like the volume knob has been turned to 11. Of course, this has a significant impact on us as service design professionals. The "productivity" pressure is rising for us as well. And if we're honest, it often reaches a point where it not only takes away the fulfillment we find in our work, but also leaves us on the edge of burnout. But we're humans, not machines. We're not merely replaceable cogs in a system. So we must find an alternative. One of the leaders advocating for this more sustainable approach toward work is our guest, Birgit Geiberger. She argues that in order for us to thrive in this new reality, we must adopt a different leadership style. Birgit says we need to focus on leading with both head and heart in a way she calls regenerative leadership. In this conversation, we unpack what this form of leadership entails and why it's now more important than ever. Birgit offers ideas on how you can push back and escape the unsustainable pace of work when everything and everyone around us seems to demand more, go, go, go. We discuss what you can do on a day-to-day basis to find your grounding and stay true to who you truly are in a world where compromises are unavoidable. And finally, we investigate how you can show that doing things in a regenerative way is not just good for you, but also accelerates and increases your business impact. A great conversation, packed with hope, inspiration, and practical advice for anyone who wants to bring back the joy in their work again. What might be good to know is that I haven't selected my recent guests based on their interest in this theme, or instructed them in any way to discuss it. This is just something that emerges when I ask them to speak about what is dear to their hearts right now. If you've been listening to the Show, I'm curious if you've noticed this undercurrent as well. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 249 04:15 Human-Centered Leadership Legacy 06:30 Post-Pandemic Reflections 10:00 Redefining Growth and Resources 13:00 Introduction to Regenerative Leadership 15:00 The Power of Self-Leadership 18:30 Designing for Mental Capacity 22:00 Moving Beyond Short-Term Business Thinking 24:45 Breaking Functional Silos 33:15 Leading through Global Uncertainty 40:15 Service Design as a Cultural Catalyst 47:30 Empathy as a Business Strategic Tool 54:30 Scaling Influence Through Others 1:00:30 Closing Reflections --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/birgitgeiberger --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/249-snipd

Let's be real for a moment... In the corporate context, what's the thing that usually gets rewarded the most? It’s often the person who "just" grinds through the chaos, works overtime to fix a broken process, and absorbs all the organizational friction without complaining. From very early on in our careers we are taught to treat ourselves like machines that just need to carry more weight. But as Kara Snyder points out in our conversation, that is treating resilience as output. It’s performing professionalism when you are completely depleted. And it is a fast track to burnout. Instead, Kara challenges us to think about resilience as capacity. What do you actually need to sustain yourself so you can stay in this deeply human and emotionally demanding work? Because at the end of the day, the most important tool in your service design toolkit isn't a journey map or a blueprint... well, it's you. In this episode of Inside Service Design, I sit down with Kara and Siddhartha Saxena to talk about the inner game of being an in-house service design professional. We step away from the frameworks and talk about how to actually survive and thrive in this beautifully complex role. This conversation touches on topics like: So if you’ve been feeling the weight of driving positive change using service design, take a deep breath, slow down, and tune into this one. How do you protect your own capacity? Have you found any specific rituals particularly helpful? Let me know, I’d love to hear how you're dealing with this. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to the January 2026 Round Up! 03:30 Kara’s Journey: From Accounting to PWC 06:30 Facing Burnout and Personal Loss 09:00 Sidd’s Journey: From Architecture to Startups 11:30 Discovering Service Design as a Business Bridge 12:30 Remote Healthcare in India 14:00 Designing the "Nervous System" of an Organization 15:45 Navigating Complexity 19:00 Why Service Design Feels Like the "Wild West" 19:50 Tool Spotlight: Using the Emotional Culture Deck 21:30 Moving from Doing to Being 24:00 Resilience in Startups vs. Corporate Safety 26:15 How Personal Grief Shapes Professional Perspective 31:15 The Gap Between Self and Work 34:30 Why Service Designers are Natural "Absorbers" 38:30 Building a Protective Layer Against Burnout 41:15 Mapping the Invisible Organizational Nervous System 44:45 Managing Design at Scale 48:15 When to Say "No" to the Machine 52:30 The Power of Invisible Labor 56:15 Measuring the Value of What Can't Be Seen 59:00 Protecting Your Design Culture from Company Culture 1:00:15 Final Takeaways --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/karamartinsnyder/https://www.linkedin.com/in/siddhartha-saxena --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-10-snipd

It’s the one thing they didn't teach in design school... We spend years learning how to understand what drives our users, map out complex journeys, and deliver useful service prototypes. But when it comes time to sit down with business stakeholders, compliance teams, or yes even legal departments? That’s when the friction sets in. For this episode, we're joined by Belén Tello, who has a very interesting take on how we can overcome this struggle. As the Head of Design for the largest bank in Peru, Belén leads a massive team of over 150 designers. As you might imagine, because they operate in the highly regulated financial sector, they are constantly in negotiations with the rest of the business. Over the years, Belen has experienced firsthand that even the most talented design professionals often freeze up when talking to their business partners. To our own demise, we often retreat to our comfort zones, simply handing over the work and letting the business decide whether it's "good or not". Deep down, we sometimes feel like the business folks just know more than we do (not the case!). To fix this confidence gap, Belén started doing something quite radical, at least for design teams. Before a big stakeholder meeting, she runs "role play" sessions with her team. Yes, almost like lawyers preparing for a mock trial! They sit down and strategize. What do you want to say here? Who are your strongest stakeholders? Do you need me to step in and ask a specific question so you can explain your rationale? Add to that that she's been helping her team learn to speak the "common language" of the bank. And that language? It's numbers and data, obviously. As you'll hear Belén argues that we already do the hard work of gathering qualitative and quantitative insights, but we frequently fail to actually bring that data to the table in a convincing way. When you stop arguing based on subjective perception and start negotiating with facts, everything changes. You move away from being seen as just an "add-on" to the process and finally become a true strategic partner. So if you've ever felt that imposter syndrome kick in during a big meeting, this episode is pretty much a masterclass in building your confidence and growing your influence. As you listen to the episode, I’d love for you to reflect on your own work. How often are you actively translating your insights into a language the business understands? And what would help you to do that more often? Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 248 05:00 Banking in Peru: Education over digital tools 09:00 The danger of designing only for the capital city 17:30 Negotiating with Legal and Compliance 21:00 Using data to find a common business language 23:00 Why designers struggle to speak up in business 27:00 Prepping for stakeholders like a mock trial 28:45 Finding internal sponsors who understand design 33:30 Quantifying design's impact on the business 36:15 Redesigning 200+ physical branches 41:00 Moving from transactional to relational models 45:30 Connecting with rural users 51:15 Using design's systemic view as an unfair advantage 55:30 Why listening is a designer's true superpower 58:00 Positioning design strategically 1:00:30 Closing thoughts --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/belen-tello-91028731/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/248-snipd

Are we being left behind... Let's think about this for a moment. Architects have AutoCAD. Finance folks have Excel. Sales teams have Salesforce. The list goes on. But what do we as service design professionals have? If we're a bit cynical, you could say that often it’s a wall of sticky notes (that the cleaners throw away at night). This brings up a deep and often unspoken insecurity in our field. Could it be that our work is seen as "fluffy" or "invisible" because we lack the "hard" tools that other departments have? That is the provocative question Maxe van Heeswijk brought to the Circle community recently. She challenged us to think about whether having "our own software" would help us claim our territory and be taken more seriously by stakeholders. But to which extent can a tool be the answer to our problems? Will Sharples joined the conversation with a different take. He argues that stakeholders don't actually care about our process or our "proper" service design tools, they just want their problems solved. So in this episode of Inside Service Design, we explore this tension between wanting to be "seen" as experts and the messy reality of getting work done in-house. This conversation is packed with spicy topics like: So, if you’ve ever felt like you’re doing important work... that nobody sees, this episode is for you. What do you feel is the service design tool at the moment? Do we even have one? Let me know, I’m really curious to hear your take! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to December Round Up 01:00 Meet the Guests 04:00 From Physical Engineering to Digital Services 06:30 From Philosophy & Advertising to SD 10:15 Balancing Financial Goals vs. Trust 15:15 Securing Long-Term Funding 18:00 Why Patience is a Superpower 21:45 Thought Experiment 26:30 Do We Need Professional Software? 35:00 Is Design Too Democratized 44:15 Relationship Building is Slow Farming 51:00 Pragmatism vs. The Design Bibles 52:45 The Hidden Skill 55:45 Navigating Company Politics 59:30 Wrap-Up --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxevanheeswijk/https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-sharples-85a40580/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- If you're an in-house service design professional and want to learn from the stories of your peers, take a look at the Circle, it might just be the thing you're looking for. Join our private community for in-house service design professionals: ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-09-snipd

If you look at the current job market, you might notice something strange... The words "service design" seem to be slowly disappearing from job titles. Does that mean our field is shrinking, or worse, becoming obsolete? Well, according to our guest, Giulia Di Gregorio, that's definitely not the case. If anything, the opposite is true. Giulia argues that while the titles might be vanishing, the practice is actually spreading. Service design is everywhere now; it's just hiding under different names. But this "diversification" creates a new challenge. If everyone has a different job title, where do you find your professional peers? Where's that safe space where you can get together to commiserate, find inspiration, and learn from each other? That's what Giulia and a few folks were thinking as well. But instead of just thinking about it they rolled up their sleeves and decided to revive Service Design Drinks Milan. This didn't become just another meetup; it became a "pirate version" of a community. And it’s been a pretty successful one. In this conversation, we explore what it looks like to run a community that's driven by volunteers, has no hierarchy, and is governed by the energy people actually have to give. We also talk about building "synergies" with other communities instead of acting like isolated islands. And we dig into why the best way to scale might be through small, independent nodes across the world rather than one big centralized network. So if you’ve been feeling a bit "homeless" in your service design role lately, this is a great conversation about reclaiming your identity and connecting with your tribe. What stuck with me is the idea that when a project starts feeling like "work," you might be heading in the wrong direction and should reconsider your options. Something to think about both in our professional context as well as in our passion projects. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 247 07:30 Flat Hierarchies & Freedom 09:30 Global Nodes vs. Centralized Networks 13:30 The Toolkit Takeover 17:45 Managing by Time 23:15 Pirates vs. The Navy 27:30 The Cost of Being Brave 31:45 The Un-conferenced Model 36:30 Turning Points: From Branding to COVID 43:00 Learning Effortless Leadership 48:00 How to Start Your Own Pirate Node 55:30 Question to ponder on --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/giulialogodigregorio/https://www.linkedin.com/company/service-design-drinks-milanhttps://creativemornings.com/cities/mil --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/247-snipd

A few months ago I finally hit a major milestone... After years of putting it off, I finally started taking golf lessons. Jasper, my coach (or "pro" as they say in the golf world), has been helping me develop a proper swing. But being me, I just can't help but look at Jasper through a service design lens. What is he actually selling me? Or better yet: what am I actually buying? Right now, I pay by the hour. That buys me Jasper’s time and a bit of grass to practice on. But what if I didn’t pay for the service, which is just time well saved, but rather for the outcome? What if Jasper promised to take me from someone who barely knows how to hold a club to being a confident, competent golfer? Because in the end, that’s truly the identity shift I’m actually looking for. Just think about how much that proposition would change the dynamics, not just for me, but for Jasper’s entire business model. When that offer is on the table, why would I ever settle for a coach selling me "practice time" (a commodity) when I could invest in the transformation I actually desire? This shift toward "transformations" as an economic offering isn't new. It was already described in the industry defining book The Experience Economy back in 1999. We’ve been lucky enough to have Joe Pine, the book’s co-author, on the Show twice before. Now, he’s back. It’s been 27 years since he published the book that influenced so many of us, and he has just published the long-awaited follow-up titled, you guessed it, The Transformation Economy. In this episode, we sit down to chat about what this shift means for us as service design professionals and what it means for the future of business. I’m fairly certain this is the very first podcast where Joe discusses the new book, so we’ve got a true exclusive on our hands. So will this be the next chapter for our field? Listen to the episode to find out! As you listen to the conversation, I’d love for you to think about your own projects. Are you designing for "time well spent," or are you ready to guide your customers through a real identity shift? Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 246 04:45 Why the book is still relevant 06:15 Progression of Economic Value 11:00 Defining economic offerings 13:00 Birth of the Transformation Economy 17:30 Experience vs. Transformation 20:30 Focusing on the "Aspirant" 22:00 Time Saved vs. Time Well Spent 25:00 Experience design examples 27:00 Novelty and social bonding 31:15 Investment for time 32:30 Turning experiences into change 34:30 Service vs. Experience design 37:30 Moving to transformations 38:30 The power of intentionality 40:45 Using reflection to add value 43:30 Changing your identity 44:45 Goal: Human flourishing 47:30 What it means to flourish 49:30 Satisfaction vs. improvement 50:45 The drive for better 51:30 Designing for transformation 54:00 Transformative learning 56:30 The Golf Coach story 01:00:15 The new book release 01:01:00 Key takeaway from Joe Pine 01:02:45 Final thoughts --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/joepine/https://strategichorizons.combook --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/246-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/246-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/246-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/246-snipd

Imagine a world where you can simply look at your journey model and ask it why... Why, for example, is our customer churn spiking this quarter? How close are we to that reality? I invited my good friend ​Jochem van der Veer​, CEO of TheyDo, back onto the show to find out. It’s become a bit of a tradition to start the year with Jochem, looking back at our past predictions and setting the stage for what’s next in the world of Journey Management. Not so long ago, "Journey Management" was really just an emerging term. Fast forward to today, and I think it's fair to say that the conversation has shifted entirely. We're seeing organizations big and small adopt this practice as a framework that drives real business decisions. In last year's episode, Jochem predicted that by now we’d be able to ask our journeys "Why?" and get instant (and meaningful) answers. In this conversation, we discuss how the technology has arrived and why "Journey Anarchy" is the new hurdle we have to clear. Next, we play a round of "Objection Bingo" where we address the most common roadblocks we hear every day that stand in the way of wider adoption of journey management. From "we don't have the data" to the classic "It’s too expensive". And of course, Jochem shares some practical strategies to help you overcome these roadblocks when you encounter them. Finally, Jochem makes some spicy predictions for 2026. Like the emergence of a completely new role in the CX space. So, if you want to stay one step ahead and hear where our field is heading, this is the conversation for you. I would love to know: how do you feel about the state of journey management heading into 2026? A) Mostly "meh" B) Excited! C) Something else... Leave a comment (if you're on Spotify). Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 245 05:30 Revisiting 2025 Predictions 10:00 The One Question Most Marketers Forget to Ask 12:45 Role of Human Judgment vs. AI Clues 14:30 4-Step Journey Framework for 2026 17:00 Why Journey Mapping is "Dead" 21:15 #1 Reason Companies Fail at Implementation 24:45 The "Journey Anarchy" Crisis 28:00 improving decision making 31:00 How Siloed Teams Kill Revenue 38:30:00 Another Objection: "It's Too Expensive" 42:30 Objection Bingo: Flipping the Script on Stakeholder Pushback 46:15 Wildcard: AI Agents vs. Simple Chatbowildcard: AI 48:45 Credit Card/Budget Reality Check 53:00 Predictions for 2026 54:15 Shift from Efficiency Cuts to Innovation Growth 57:00 Why "Operationalizing Empathy" is the New Competitive Edge 58:00 Other Challenges to Watch for in 2026 59:30 Near Real-Time Journey Monitoring 1:03:00 The 10 Million Dollar Problem 1:05:00 Connect with Jochem --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jochemvanderveerhttps://open.spotify.com/show/4M2BsaT4jC5Oz54eyek0SZhttps://www.theydo.com/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/245-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/245-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/245-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/245-snipd

Sorry, but I have to say it... We are optimizing our way to boredom. Measure everything, test every variation, and optimize the customer journey until it’s "perfect". That seems to be the mantra of modern business today. But in this first episode of 2026, our guest ​Kendra Shimmell​ throws a big wrench in this machinery. Kendra argues that while things like A/B testing validate what works right now, they often come at a steep cost. Because if we rely solely on reacting to quantitative data to make small, incremental improvements, we eventually, you guessed it, optimize our way to mediocrity and boredom. We lose the soul in our services. Kendra shares a painful example of this phenomenon in action: social media algorithms. You click on a cool backpack once, and the system thinks it has you figured out. Suddenly, your entire feed is just backpacks. A lot of backpacks. The algorithm is "optimized," sure. But it has stripped away all the serendipity, turning a place of discovery into a repetitive, boring experience. As Kendra put it, just because you can keep a user clicking doesn't mean you aren't exhausting them. So, the question is: Why do organizations default to this? Why are we so focused on squeezing out efficiency rather than exploring new avenues? When I asked Kendra, her answer was blunt: "Greed, Fear, and Confusion." Ouch. The greed to squeeze out the last 1% of revenue. The fear that if they try something new, they won't find product-market fit again. And the confusion that comes from ignoring the fact that humans are wildly irrational beings driven by feelings, not spreadsheets. This conversation is a wake-up call to stop treating our customers like subjects in a scientific experiment and start treating them as people to co-create with. And if your organization isn't ready to hear that? Well, Kendra has some advice on how to be a little "sneaky" to get the work done anyway! The conversation ends with a question that pairs perfectly with a long walk, somewhere where you can let a little serendipity back into your day: "When, where, and how is it most important to be human?". Happy New Year and keep making a positive impact! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 244 04:30 Why We Need Co-Creation Over Experimentation 08:30 The Twitch Lesson 14:30 Why Excessive Optimization Leads to "Beige" 16:03 Social Media & the Algorithm 23:45 Backpack Rabbit Hole 25:30 3 Forces of Stagnation 32:30 Funding Analogous Thinking 35:00 Creating Space for Change 38:30 The Compliance Pilot Strategy 44:15 MVW (Minimum Viable Working Model) 45:45 Permission vs. Action 48:45 Moments of irrationality: taxes vs buying 52:45 Doing Things Better vs. Doing Better Things 56:15 Living Inside the Algorithm 58:15 Why We Must Learn to be Bored Again 1:01:45 The Role of the "Human in the Loop" in the Age of AI 1:04:15 Case Study: Designing for Distance 1:06:15 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/kendrashimmell/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/244-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/244-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/244-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/244-snipd

We need to talk about the "intern" sitting on your desktop... Come on, you know the one. Sure, they are fast, very eager to please, and can process data at lightning speeds. But they also have a bad habit of hallucinating facts and making things up just to make you happy. Of course, I’m talking about AI. It is fair to say that we are past the initial "wow" phase of generative AI. Now, for us service design professionals, the real question is: How do we actually hire, train, and trust this new digital colleague? That is the focus of this episode of our Inside Service Design series. We sit down for a chat with two brilliant professionals: Jessica Dugan and Judith Buhmann. They share a grounded, hype-free look at how they are integrating AI into their own existing workflows. Not as a replacement for our work, but as a "Junior Associate" who needs some (sometimes a lot) management. To make this real, Jess walks us through the framework she uses for building her own custom AI agents. She explains how to define their "persona," scope their tasks, and curate their knowledge base so they can actually be useful (and safe). And Judith shares a critical perspective on why we can’t fully trust AI yet. We explore why we need to treat AI as an "unreliable narrator" especially when working with vulnerable groups. So if you are feeling a bit somewhat by the pressure to "use AI" but aren't sure how to do it responsibly, this conversation has some key insights you don't want to miss. Here's a question: If you had to give your current AI tools a "performance" review, what rating would you give them? A) Employee of the month B) Promising intern (needs supervision) C) Chaos agent (fires random info at me). Let me know, I’m really curious where we are all at! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to the November Round Up 04:00 Jess's journey into service desig 09:45 Judith's challenge 12:30 Designing for the employee experience and internal systems 14:00 The "Pros" of in-house service design 15:30 The necessity of patience and deep knowledge for in-house success 18:30 Judith topic 19:00 Jess topic: Building (and trusting) your own AI agent 23:00 Why we cannot fully trust any AI 27:00 Scoping the AI agent's role and understanding user need 29:00 Designing the "Human" side: Setting personality and tone for your agent 33:45 Accessibility: Is it actually hard to build your own agent? 35:30 Human-in-the-loop: Regulation and ensuring data accuracy 40:00 Why transparency matters more than just "trust" 47:00 Getting organizational buy-in for AI tools 54:45 Markers of success: How service blueprints live on after the workshop 56:30 Closing thoughts and Question to Ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/judithbuhmann/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jess-dugan/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-08-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-08-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-08-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-08-snipd

Sure, design might be going through a tough period... But as the saying goes, "never waste a good crisis." So this moment of uncertainty, where everyone is wondering if (or rather when) AI will take over their job, might actually be our biggest opportunity to rise up. It is a unique chance to reclaim our core focus of designing services that genuinely improve people's lives, rather than just extracting value to maximize shareholder returns. Of course to discuss an existential topic like this we had to find someone who's been around the block for some time. And boy did we find someone! For this episode we sit down with the legendary Dan Saffer to chat about what we can learn from the last two decades of design evolution. We try to wrap our heads around what caused the erosion of strategic design from its heyday, which, frankly, wasn't even that long ago. We look into how we somehow got identified with the outputs, like running workshops or creating interfaces in Figma, rather than the outcomes. And more importantly, what we can do to prevent that from happening again, whether that’s with journey management or crafting smart prompts. And finally we also tackle the big question of why design isn't having a greater influence on the current wave of AI, and how we can change that. So bring your cassette player for this one, because we're going back in time for some nostalgia and a healthy dose of hope. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 243 03:00 Why Design Has Failed the Enterprise 07:15 Defining a 'Well-Designed Service' 11:00 4 Stages of Design Maturity 13:45 The Critical Challenge of Design at Scale 16:30 Debunking the Myth being Design as a 'Luxury' 19:30 Is Service Design an Attitude or a Practice? 20:45 Impact of Cloud & Mobile on Design Challenges 23:15 Designing for the 'Cloud Age' 29:00 Service Design vs. Interaction Design 31:45 Focus on the System, Not Just the Artifact 35:00 The Challenge of Hiring True System-Level Designers 37:30 Moving Design from Extractive to Generative 44:45 Only Way to Win Is to Not Play the Game 48:15 Driving Organizational Change Through Design Culture 52:45 Why Designers Burn Out 56:45 How to Measure the Impact of Generative Design 1:00:00 Why AI is a People Problem 1:03:15 What Makes a Great Design Leader? 1:06:15 The Essential Mindset Shift for Modern Design Leadership 1:09:15 The Great Opportunity of AI in Service Design 1:13:45 Final Takeaway 1:14:15 Question to Ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dansaffer/https://blueskydirectory.com/profiles/odannyboy.bsky.socialhttps://medium.com/ui-for-ai/welcome-to-ui-for-ai-eb22aef8d26c --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/243-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/243-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/243-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/243-snipd

Here is a hot take, empathy is becoming "theater"... I mean, it's that feeling you get when you receive a "hyper-personalized" yet clearly automated email saying "We are so deeply sorry to see you go". To me, it just feels insincere. Actually, it even feels manipulative. Instead of a genuine connection, it’s a performance designed to "manage" me, not help me. As every business out there is in a race to automate and integrate AI, the actual human connection is often the first thing to get outsourced. And when we try to paste humanity back onto technology, we often end up in a digital uncanny valley. So, how do we push back? How do we remain "stubbornly human" when the systems around us only care about efficiency? That is the battle we explore in the latest episode of our Inside Service Design series. In this conversation, I sit down with two service design professionals from very different worlds: ​Jeff​, who works in the highly digital fintech space, and ​Emilie​, an Innovation Partner at a faith-based nonprofit. Despite their different contexts, they share some great insights on keeping the "human" in human-centered design. Jeff breaks down the concept of Empathy Theater and challenges us to spot when a friendly tone in a digital interface crosses the line into manipulation. And Emilie walks us through a future scenario where VR headsets are the default for education, forcing us to ask: how do we design for belonging when we are physically apart? So, if you are tired of seeing the human element get optimized out of existence, this conversation will give you some strong arguments you need to stand your ground. Quick question: Have you received an email recently that felt like "Empathy Theater"? If yes, send me a quick reply with "Guilty" (bonus points if you can share the example)! I'm trying to get a sense of how widespread this is becoming. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to October Round Up 05:00 Emilie's Service Design Journey 07:30 Jeff from Interior Design to FinTech 12:30 Jeff's Biggest In-House Design Challenge 15:00 Challenges in Non-Profit Design 18:00 Emilie's True Measure of Success 20:00 How Jeff Measures Success in Long-Term Projects 25:00 Emilie's topic: Education in 2038 29:00 Jeff's topic: Keep Things 'Stubbornly Human' 33:45 The Circle Reacts to Insincere Digital Tone 36:45 How Emilie's group responded 39:00 Emilie's Hopeful Reflection on the Future of Design 40:00 The Practical Tweak Jeff Made 43:00 Emilie's #1 Hard-Won Career Lesson 45:30 Jeff's Hard-Won Lesson in Service Design 46:30 When Jeff Stopped Focusing on Deliverables 51:00 Why Beautiful Artifacts Don't Impress Executives 53:00 How to Stop the Treadmill 54:30 Emilie's Question to the Audience 55:30 Jeff Answers the Question He Wants to Ask 57:30 Emilie Answers Her Own Deep Question 59:00 Final words of wisdom --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilie-moravechttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhoekwater --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-07-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-07-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-07-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-07-snipd

We often hear the "mantra" to move fast and break things... But what happens when the thing that breaks is you? For many service design professionals, this is the reality of their calendar: back-to-back meetings, a rush to deliver, and very little space to actually think. In many organizations, there is a culture that views this busyness as a badge of honor. But our guest in this episode, Rachael Dietkus, has quite a different -and healthier- approach. She has a rule written on a post-it note right next to her desk: "No meetings before 10 AM". This might sound like a luxury, doesn't it? But Rachael, who's a licensed clinical social worker and designer, argues that rules like this are actually a professional necessity. Rachael is the founder of Social Workers Who Design, where she is bridging the gap between the deep, ethical frameworks of social work and the often frantic pace of design. This is an eye-opening episode where we explore why service design might be missing a "manual" that social workers have had for decades. You'll hear about: So, if you sometimes feel the weight of the work is getting too much and you're looking for ways to create a healthier, more sustainable work environment, this conversation offers practical clues. As we are almost wrapping up the year, it's an important reminder that reflection on our work isn't a nice to have, but a healthy habit we should all embrace. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact. Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 242 04:00 Making Care an Integral Part of Practice 09:00 Recognizing Care (or the Lack Thereof) in Project Pacing 14:00 Difference Between 'Careless' and 'Care-full' Design 17:30 How Rachel's Path to Care Began 26:30 Human Rights and Social Work Foundation 38:45 What Design Can Learn from Social Work 46:15 Radical Act of Slowing Down 52:30 Practical Steps to Build Spaciousness & Combat Workaholism 57:45 Setting Boundaries 1:01:15 Boundaries as Professional Resistance 1:03:45 Takeaway She Hopes You Get 1:05:15 Piece of Advice 1:05:45 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachaeldietkuslcswhttps://www.socialworkerswho.design/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle --- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/242-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/242-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/242-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/242-snipd

Okay, we are pretty good storytellers... but are we telling the right story? As service design professionals, we nail it when it comes to what I call "Horizontal Storytelling". We can walk anyone through the customer journey, step-by-step, building empathy for the user's pain and frustration over time. But here is the somewhat inconvenient truth: As you might have experienced, your CEO or CFO often doesn't know what to do with that story. They are looking for something else. They need "Vertical Storytelling". They need to know how a specific pain point on the ground connects up to the strategic objectives of the business. They need to know the ROI. They need to know if the needle is actually moving. In episode 8 of the Journey Management Playbook series, Tingting Lin and I are closing the loop. We are moving from doing the work to measuring the impact. If you’ve ever struggled to justify prove that your journey management efforts are actually influencing the bottom line, this episode is for you. We dive into: This episode provides the missing link between "making mapping a journey" and "driving business outcomes." What is the one metric you struggle to track the most? Send me a reply or leave a comment on YouTube, we’d love to know where the biggest data hurdles are for you. Enjoy and keep making a positive impact! Be well, ~ Marc --- [ 1. LINKS 🔗 ] --- 👉 Playbook Slides - ✅ Sign up for TheyDo - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/scjwb --- [ 2. GUIDE ] --- 01:00 What's in store episode 08 03:45 Power of Vertical Storytelling 05:30 Proving Your Journey Map Worth the Investment 07:00 Biggest Mistake People Make in Journey Mapping 11:00 When a Simple Insight Changes Everything 16:30 'Horizontal' View vs. the 'Vertical' 23:00 How to Operationalize Your Journey Map 25:00 Start Small, But Map the Full Customer Story 26:00 Closing the Loop and Feedback Mechanisms 30:00 Summary: 3 Pillars of a Successful Journey Strategy 31:34 Differentiating Horizontal and Vertical Stories 33:00 Overcoming Internal Resistance to New Mapping 36:00 Stakeholders as customers 38:45 Translating Empathy into Actionable Design 39:45 Mapping an Employee Onboarding Journey 45:00 Debunking misconceptions 50:30 Software and Resources We Recommend 54:45 Second Essential Technique 58:00 Final Takeaways & Last-Minute Advice 1:00:00 5 Practical Tips You Can Implement Today --- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-08-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-08-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-08-snipdhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-08-youtube

Service design, so what... That's a question still many people around us (rightfully) ask. And let's be honest, they'll probably keep asking it for the foreseeable future. It will take a very long time before our field becomes a household name, which I doubt it ever will. Now, it’s easy to get frustrated about this, to roll our eyes every time someone questions the value of our work. But that frustration isn't going to get us any closer to creating the impact we know we can. A much more productive approach is to prepare for these questions, to have our answers ready before they even get asked. This also helps us to better recognize when we end up in situations where, no matter what we say or do, our message about service design just stand a chance of resonating. We do everyone a favor by acknowledging this. Sometimes it's just not the right place or the right time. But where do we learn which stories to tell, when and to whom, and which stories we should avoid? Well, we can take some clues from Mark Howell, our guest this in this episode. Mark is a seasoned professional who's led some of the largest in-house service design teams I've heard of. This achievement becomes even more impressive when you consider he did this in industries not exactly known for their human-centered thinking. In our conversation, we explore how Mark used tools like a "service design quality assessment" to have the right conversations with stakeholders. We talk about how he learned to identify the red flags that signal it's time to find a different project, and we dig into the key role community plays in building a successful service design practice. I'm really excited about this episode because we just don't have many examples of people who have scaled service design teams to these kinds of numbers. And we have even fewer who are willing to share the real learnings from that journey. So, if you have the ambition to grow service design, this is a fantastic conversation to get some best practices and hear about the pitfalls to avoid. What stuck with me from our chat is recognizing that sometimes you need to take a step back instead of just trying to push forward (and burning out in the process). I would love to hear from you: What's a key signal for you? What's the clue that gives away that it's time to stop pushing and find a different battle? Enjoy and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 241 05:00 Positioning Service Designers 09:00 Cracking the Organizational Nut 13:30 the 3 disciplines to drive perspective 20:00 His Take on Journey Mapping 25:30 Lessons Learned 29:00 The Red Flags of a Failing Project 31:45 How to Spot Red Flags 34:30 The 4 Quality Indicators 40:00 Defining the Indicators 46:00 Collecting Design Quality Data 48:30 The Design Community of Practice 56:45 Aligning with Product Manager OKRs 1:02:00 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/markhowell-phd --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/241-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/241-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/241-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/241-snipd

Have you ever thought about... What a therapist, a grandma, and an organ donor teach you about service design? I know, this might sound like the start of a strange joke, but it gets to the heart of a big truth about our work. We invest a lot of time perfecting our journey maps, blueprints, and personas. But as we know, the challenges we work on won't be solved by a deliverable. They're solved through invisible "tools" like subtle influence, creating space for others, and building strategic relationships. So, where do you find these tools? Well, this episode is a great start. This episode is part of our "Inside Service Design" series, where we explore the real, unpolished practice of driving change from within organizations. And just like in the previous episodes you get to hear two brilliant in-house professionals, share some of their most powerful, non-traditional strategies. This time we're joined by Irina Damascan and Gina Mendolia. Gina walks us through her concept of "Setting the Trap" for engagement, and how she draws inspiration from the roles of therapists, coaches, and even grandmas to master the art of creating space and enabling teams to connect the dots themselves. Irina introduces a powerful model for influence she calls the "Organ Donor Chain," a strategic way to build networks of reciprocity by doing "favors" that enable change across the organization, often in unexpected ways. I have to say, it was refreshing to hear about effective mental models that go beyond design-as-usual, which aren't just theories but truly help to design better services. Want to add some (unconventional) tools that help you drive change to your toolkit? Grab your notebook and join us for this conversation. What's the most unconventional place you've found inspiration for your work? Maybe a different profession, a hobby, a movie? Share your inspiration in the comments on YouTube and let's continue the conversation there. Keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome 04:30 Who is Ben 06:00 How Heydn got his role 07:15 What Heydn is currently doing 08:15 Ben working at a financial services firm 10:15 who Ben is reporting to 11:30 where Autodesk sits 13:15 what a good looks like for Heydn 16:30 indicators of success 17:30 what success looks like for Ben 23:30 Why Context Determines Your SD Strategy 27:00 Ben's topic: the first 90 days 30:45 Heydn's key takeaway 35:00 Making Your Map Complicated on Purpose 37:00 Ben's takeaway 43:00 the last time he has done the first 90 days 46:45 Heydn reacting 48:45 Learning things the hard way 51:00 Ben's hard lessons 55:00 what keeps him motivated 57:30 what will Heydn get back there 1:00:00 Ben to summarize 1:00:30 Heydn's final words of wisdom --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/heydnhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/benmccammon/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-06-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-06-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-06-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-06-snipd

We've got a serious problem... The "higher" you climb on the career ladder, the further removed you get from the actual discipline of design. Unfortunately, it's a story I hear surprisingly often. A design professionals finally gets that hard-earned seat at the table, and almost immediately, the pressure to conform kicks in. They start to feel like they have to trade their unique perspective for a corporate persona, leaving their design identity, the very thing that got them there in the first place, at the door. Our guest this week, Jose Coronado, shares a personal story that actually goes right to the heart of this issue. When he first moved to the U.S. he consciously separated his professional life from his Hispanic background in an effort to belong and be seen. The shift only came years later, after he organized a panel for Hispanic Heritage Month. The feedback he received hit him hard. People told him, "Jose, thank you for doing this. I have never seen myself reflected in my future as a potential leader in the design field". That experience was the moment he realized the power of bringing our "whole self" to work, and the danger of hiding parts of our identity. So in this episode, we explore this identity crisis. How do you evolve into a business leader without abandoning your design soul? And I can already share that it's not about renouncing your craft, but rather enriching it with new layers. It’s about learning to navigate the politics and negotiations of an organization while still proudly carrying the flag for design. If you feel trapped between the design professional you are and the leader you're expected to be, this one will surely resonate. What I loved about this conversation is the nuance it brings. I'm sure you've heard that "designers need to speak business" but what's often missing is the crucial second half of that advice, we must do it with our design expertise, identity, and skills. Business speak should enrich design, not replace it. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 240 04:00 The great shift 06:00 The catalyst 08:00 Design Leadership and Why We Have to Talk About It 09:30 Design's Growing Pains 12:00 3 Levels of Leadership 13:00 Craftsmanship, Stagemanship, and Statesmanship 16:00 Mastering Stagemanship: 17:45 What we're doing wrong 20:00 Developing Business Fluency 22:00 Understanding the context 26:30 Low-Effort Ways to Gain Business Knowledge 33:00 The Challenge of Invisibility 35:00 Patience vs. Incompetence 37:45 Building Trust 39:00 The Design Measurement Problem 41:00 Tangibility of Impact 44:00 Navigating conversations like that 46:45 Finance Conversations 48:00 Connecting Process, Service Improvement, and Design 51:45 Internal Struggle and Mindset Evolution 55:00 Embracing out identity 57:30 Maintaining Connection to the Craft 59:00 Deliver in commitment 1:01:00 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/josecoronado/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] https://go.servicedesignshow.com/240-youtubehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/240-spotifyhttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/240-applehttps://go.servicedesignshow.com/240-snipd