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Conversations with Big Rich

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Hear conversations with the legacy stars of rockcrawling and off-road. Big Rich interviews the leaders in rock sports.

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Hear conversations with the legacy stars of rockcrawling and off-road. Big Rich interviews the leaders in rock sports.

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English

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Lonnie McCurry, Jr shares his faith, family and the future of Skyjacker Suspensions

6/6/2024
Skyjacker President Lonnie McCurry, Jr. shares his faith, family, and future with us on Episode 218. A strong family man, he brings West Monroe, Louisiana, to life for us. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 2:45 – this area of Louisiana is all about hunting, fishing, and family 9:14 – my parents were great about not forcing me into the business – y’all go make an education, get a college degree, and decide your own career path 24:27 – I learned two things doing the competitive side of rockcrawling: 1. It is a lot of work, and two, it’s hard to be competitive if you don’t have the seat time 34:54 – the way my dad worded it 40 years ago, if he built a lift kit, he wanted to feel like he could hand his daughter the keys and her go drive it, knowing she’d be safe 42:20 – We started working with Willy long before Duck Dynasty 54:15 – we focused on the marking side for many years, but we feel like we need to focus more on the manufacturing side for the next few years. 58:04 – let’s talk about family Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Support the Show.

Duration:01:06:01

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Episode 217 has Alan Johnson telling stories, his true passion.

5/30/2024
Our very own people person, Alan Johnson, has spent a lifetime helping people. With good listening and great photography skills, Alan is a storyteller. I’m proud to call him my friend. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 4:03 – my dad took typing because that’s where the pretty girls were; he claims typing saved his life. 10:32 – I really wanted to be on the radio, so I showed up at 16 with my FCC disc jockey license and played country music 14:43 – I had my life all planned out, then I fell asleep driving home and broke my face 23:03 – Just because someone has a leadership role or not, doesn’t mean they’re better or worse than you. Every role is important. 31:36 – That’s always my MO at work, start at entry level, work hard, prove who you are, and then move up rapidly. 39:59 – That’s when I discovered my first Jeep, it was basically a motorcycle, but with a roll cage. 48:01 – who’s the one person on your team who never puts their phone down, won’t shut up and can’t build anything? They all laughed and pointed at me! 56:02 – I started working with promoters because my job was to help tell the story of something I was passionate about and loved. 1:07:47 – Imagine life as a piece of paper, most people fill it from top to bottom, left to right, there’s not a blank space anywhere – but life happens in the margins Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:15:04

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Stuntman extraordinaire, Rich Minga, shares life lessons and opportunities on Episode 216

5/23/2024
Rich Minga got his start in off-road racing, then turned it into a career in the movie business. Stuntman to the stars, winners do daily what losers do occasionally. Rich is a winner. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 9:57 – I thought I’d learn from the school of hard knocks. I was a better student of the universe than the school system 12:43 – It’s not O-N-E, it’s W-O-N; it means WE won the race! 17:24 – he got me across Diablo Dry Lake by Morse Code with a horn, it was crazy 25:10 – It was life-changing; I ran out of gas and had to walk out of Baja, it was horrific 36:28 – The people, the culture, there’s something magical about the people of Baja; I think we’re always celebrated, never tolerated 48:05 – I’ve been k*lled a bunch and k*lled a few people as well. That’s what I do; I work as a stuntman in the movie business 52:53 – I was the stunt coordinator for a TV show with no stunts – it makes me a lifeguard at the car wash 1:02:26 – You got to be in the FBI – friends, brothers, or in-laws! It’s the way it works Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:20:48

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Mad Cow Hembel, champion speed skier turned rockcrawler on Episode 215

5/16/2024
World champion speed skier turned rockcrawler, John Hembel, shares techniques in improving all skills on Episode 215. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 9:48 – I worked ski rentals, at the end of the day there’d be a huge pile in the middle of the ski shop; my job was to pair them all up together and put them awayl 17:30 – I actually got a soccer scholarship to a school in Mississippi, but I didn’t like the school 22:40 – the fortunate part is the auto detailing end of things gives you the ability to bring in day-to-day business without knocking on doors 28:57 – It’s the south, so really all you’re wheeling is mud, which is terrible. I hate mud. 36:11 – We’re fortunate in the people we know that we have a lot of really responsible friends who want to save the lands 48:44 – I always knew I wanted to be a pro skier, I loved it so much. 58:01 – when they brought a speed skiing competition to Snowmass, I was like, I got to go out and do that 1:01:55 – I yelled down to the kid, in French, I think I have mad cow disease…then I took my run. 1:08:27 – 2002, I set my record, 2003, I was world champion 1:18:28 – Almost every time we go out rockcrawling, even three and a half years later, I’m learning something new. Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:25:35

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Episode 214 features Brent Bradshaw, a self-proclaimed Simple Man

5/9/2024
Brent Bradshaw is a master with many things, known for supporting the Samurai community as the hands behind TrailTough, he’s transitioned to a cancer-free simpler life. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 4:24 – my dad was real proud of the parts he was able to sneak home 11:57 – my whole life, I would nail tricycle wheels or lawn mower wheels to 2x4s to make go-karts, whatever rolled, I loved. 18:17 – in those days, I was allowed to get 3 pages of citations, now you get 3 tickets and you’re out. 30:48 – in this neck of the woods, a 4WD vehicle that’s light, nible and small gets you in areas where other people don’t go. That was the key. 37:42 – the builds were mostly to support the Samurai community, I never intended to start a full-on company called Trail Tough, it just blew up. 44:46 – we built the Crustacean, everything was perfect! 57:08 – the first event I won was Tucson, it was not a happy day for Tracy 1:02:56 – life changed when I got cancer. While I was having surgery, Linda was doing research. Cancer feeds on low oxygen, high acid, high sugar environment. Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:18:41

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From bratty kid to responsible adult, grow-up with Justin Hall on Episode 213

5/2/2024
Justin Hall began as a rockcrawling and racing competitior. Moving from a Suzuki Samurai to an Unlimited car, then jumping over to the 4500 class, Justin grew up in rock sports. If you’re looking to do the same, listen in for some great advice. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 4:42 – I watched it go from small town to big town with a ridiculous amount of people 8:07 – every break I got, winter, spring, summer, my dad had me work at his company, and I got all the crap jobs, but it taught me a trade 12:42 – my parents knew I’d get myself in trouble with anything more than a 4-cylinder, we settled on a 1988 and and-a-half Suzuki Samurai 18:33 – we picked up a Campbell car and got it put back together, and that car was on the podium every event 23:07 – there are a couple of climbs at Oroville that I was the only person to do unassisted 26:21 – My all-time goal was to beat Tracy 38:13 – It was the biggest waste of money to go 10 miles, but it was the most fun 10 miles I’ve ever had 44:26 – when you’re racing at 100% against somebody, knowing that they’re going to hold their line, it makes it so much more fun 50:29 – at a certain point, you try not to drive with your wallet on the dash Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:06:25

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Episode 212 features Amy Granat from CORVA

4/25/2024
Land use warrior, Amy Granat, Managing Director of CORVA (California Off Road Vehicle Association) joins us for a discussion of what’s on the table for off-road and why it matters to her. Amy is a leader in the fight to keep public lands open to the public. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 3:47 – You have to be more calculated, …I call it being pointed but polite 10:17 – not being able to walk was a difficulty until a friend said, “You have a Ford truck, it has four-wheel drive, what are you waiting for?” 13:07 – it’s very tiring having people look at you and what you can’t do, they were looking at me in my truck and seeing what I could do, and that’s a very big difference 18:50 – when people talk about off-roaders, it really upsets me because they’re mischaracterizing our generosity 28:42 – …there are a lot of states like Nevada and Utah that didn’t go through the process, their areas are more at risk 35:07 – this is policy, not politics 49:21 – why wasn’t there access to the Cleveland National Forest for Riverside County? Everyone forgot. 59:24 – if you’re constantly saying not o everything, you end up getting excluded from the table; being at the table is key Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:29:29

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Episode 211 features Ivan “Ironman” Stewart dreaming the big dreams that came true

4/18/2024
Ivan Stewart on Episode 211. Such a privilege to interview the Ironman. We talk about all the dreams and adventures, and the timing, the all-important timing! Ivan was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2006. Ivan is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 2:19 – the race is almost secondary, the pre-running and the adventure is the real story 10:42 – an automobile is so cool because you can get in your car and set the radio station exactly like you want, and the heater, and… 19:29 – without GPS, you had to remember the course, and the better you were at the that, the more successful you were going to be 26:09 – I said, “Charlotte, the sun should never be rising on our right-hand side!” 35:55 – it wasn’t going to cost a whole lot more to build a desert truck, although it cost a lot to campaign them 40:09 – Sometimes you hit the timing just perfect! 45:21 – You got to have a dream to have a dream come true. 50:47 – I wanted to race off-road, I didn’t want to talk about it! Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:02:22

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Frank “Butch” Arciero instills winning into all he does on Episode 210

4/11/2024
Born to a family of Italian immigrants, Butch Arciero and his brothers understood the value of hard work. A lifetime of commitment to that landed him in the Hall of Fame. Butch was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2019. Butch is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 3:23 – my mom was on the last ship that came out of Naples to the US before they stopped all the shipping when the war broke out 13:26 – “Listen, Frank, if you get good grades next semester, I’m going to give you a present.” 20:13 – my dad always wanted to own a race car 27:23 – Well shoot, I can compete with these guys, and then start winning 32:07 – I remember everybody telling me, if you’re in an area with lots of people, watch for booby traps 43:14 – One of the things with me, if I’m going to do something, I don’t just want to do it, I want to be able to win. 57:25 – I’ve got one more story I have to tell, it happened in Mexico…. Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:04:20

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Kicking off Season 5 with Sean Pond discussing outdoors and the Halt the Dolores Movement

4/4/2024
After four full years of podcasting, we bring you the most important episode to date to kick off Season 5. An interview with Sean Pond, the de facto leader of the Halt the Dolores Movement shares why stopping this National Monument designation in its tracks. Please listen on your favorite podcast app and follow-up with the Call to Action. Sean needs our help. 6:12 – what the Navy doesn’t tell you is that you’ll see a whole lot more water than you will see of the world 11:28 – I worked in building 771 at Rocky Flats, the most dangerous building in the world at the time 15:57 – if my close friends were to describe me, they’d tell you I do two things – I hunt and I wheel 23:11 – if you like to hunt and you like off-road and you like the thrill of the chase, it’s a hard habit to break 24:54 – HALT THE DOLORES – let’s talk about what it is and why it matters! 36:29 – it stifles ranching, mining, outdoor recreation, hunting – it affects so many people, it’s a shame 43:53 – google the 30 by 30 agenda and the America the Beautiful Act; over 100 million acres of public land will lose access to for all time 53:36 – if we were standing around at an event talking about this, you’d think it was a conspiracy theory 1:01:49 – CALL TO ACTION: Sign the petition, call your congressman, Share, Share, SHARE, help fund the fight Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:10:11

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Episode 208 features Wrong Seat filler, Chris Rea talking about life, bikes, and commitment

3/28/2024
Wrong seat filler, Chris Rea, shares perspective on what it takes to be lucky. Listen in as one of the Lost Boys shares how going all in (on whatever you’re doing) has an impact on life. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 4:25 – my dad had to pull me out of t-ball because I was too competitive 9:45 – for my sister and I, sports were life. 13:24 – if you want to play football, you’re 100 pounds. 21:41 – my first foray into offroading was a high school club called Unauthorized 28:36 – in 2005, I realized I was going nowhere and I was going to be nothing, so I joined the military 32:52 – if there was a rule, it was black and white as far as I was concerned. 41:14 – one of my favorite things is that Tracy Jordan is still scared of me 54:17 – I’m just here to stay fit so I can beat my dad 1:05:48 – I’m just some random guy who’s been really lucky to work with amazing teams Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:15:53

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Ray Moon, warrior, on Episode 207

3/21/2024
A warrior in all respects, Ray Moon fought in Vietnam and continued fighting for our rights when he returned. Land warriors were as important in the beginning as they are now. Ray was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 1979. Ray is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 3:12 – I had my first encounter with a Jeep in Vietnam and I didn’t know how to drive the damn thing 7:41 – it worked out very well, the military structure, I got it, I grew up. 16:29 – I live in Simi Valley now and volunteer at the Reagan Library, the Presidential Library 29:11 – PTSD is what they call it today, and we all have problems with that, I was no different 35:43 – I became the conservation chairman for Cal Four Wheel Drive 41:23 – There was a woman who was so happy we were closed down so she could take her Buick out and enjoy the posies, and the BLM guy was like, no, if we restrict them, we restrict you 47:16 – we wanted to take a reasonable attitude toward all that 53:51 – you don’t go into any of this stuff for the glory Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:05:35

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Peri Kalar, daughter of Mastercraft founder, Jack Miller talks about life in the safety lane with her family in Episode 206.

3/14/2024
Mastercraft has had some powerful owners, from founder Jack Miller to daughter, Peri Kalar, to ORMHOF inductee Robbie Pierce. Hear about how it began all those years ago and the forces behind it. Peri shares some life-changing experiences with you. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 4:16 – he was in the army and became a parachute rigger, that’s where he learned to sew 9:53 – I worked at Mastercraft as the janitor; but my brother fired me a lot. 13:50 – we used to have soda cans taped to the rollbars, and they would have stuck stubs and tickets. 17:43 – we made a PSSS kit – a Personal Sanitation System in a little brown bag 21:19 – that was the worst and best year of my life because I found out I could survive anything 29:57 – Robbie was my supplier forever, so when I wanted to sell the company, it was perfect 38:13 – when dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s he said, I’d like to make a list of things that are important that I want to remember… Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:00:54:02

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Episode 205 features Mark McMillin, chairman, racer, legacy builder.

3/7/2024
Family legacy racer, Mark McMillin, chairman of the Board of the Off-Road Motorsports Hall of Fame shares life in the McMillin family. It’s all about people, with a few race cars and some river-time thrown in. Mark was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2018. Mark is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 2:46 – My dad used to say, if you want to get something done, give it to somebody who’s busy 12:11 – when I graduated college, there were no jobs for me, interest rates were 19-20%, we weren’t building houses 20:44 – Racing is a big part of our life. It’s not our whole life. 23:07 – why we’ve been successful is because we try hard at everything we do 26:43 – I was never the fastest guy in a buggy, but I always found the finish line 40:54 – “What is your legacy?” Good people! 44:10 – I think this off-road racing fraternity is 99% people cut from the same cloth 49:01 – You don’t have to have a cheat sheet for things you really care about. Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:00:54:09

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Johnny Campbell, American Honda Champion, on Episode 204

2/29/2024
Johnny Campbell, 11-time Baja Champion, Johnny has raced, supported, and managed the American Honda team. A fun listen, Johnny shares stories from around the world. Johnny was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2018. Johnny is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 9:17 – at a local level, I had a couple number one plates. I had a few mentors, I was always following them and watching what they were doing 13:13 – I was 21 when I finally got noticed by American Honda, and a guy who became my absolute hero and mentor 24:26 – Bruce was super humble, super organized, super smart 31:32 – we were professional at pre-running and racing and following ribbons and arrows, but we were novices at trying to navigate off a roadbook 41:57 – I call it 11 time, 17 gives people the illusion I rode it all 53:35 – We’ve built a program around Rancho Santa Maria, the school and orphanage that every year we do an event called the Baja Beach Bash 59:56 – ORMHOF was a really big point in my career; I think as a racer, it’s more than just racing, it’s how have you impacted the sport? Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:16:05

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Episode 203 features Brendon Thompson, little brother, family man, and TV personality with mad skills

2/22/2024
TV Personality, Brendon Thompson, enlightens on us on the finer points of being on American Chopper – the builds, the craziness; but that’s not all, we get insight into his early life and his parenting, throw in a little 5150 racing and you’ve got the full meal deal. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 3:24 – my older brother was always the helping hand for me, picking me back up when I was doing wrong; he kept me on track 8:47 – I almost got fired because I didn’t know fractions, couldn’t read a tape measure 18:47 – My boss wanted to semi-retire so he passed off the gas tanks to me, I just started doing my own thing. 22:19 – in 2010, that’s when I got that phone call to see if I wanted to come build a bike with Paul Jr. on television 36:13 – you don’t need to create the drama, the drama was there, it was craziness. 48:41 – We did a lot of cool stuff, I’ve had a lot of cool experiences with the show, with Paul. 51:47 – it was a big deal because we parked in Tracy Jordan’s spot, they’re like, you gotta move, Tracy’s here – we were like, okay, whatever. Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:13:47

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Les Figueroa from FigSpeed dishes on drag racing on Episode 202

2/15/2024
FigSpeed honcho, Les Figueroa dishes about drag racing, off-road, and being at “that” level with the big boys. It’s a great listen, plenty of stories to keep you entertained. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 5:17 – I still have the car that my dad raced and bought in 1970 16:59 – knowing I always loved drag racing, I took the position at Mallory Ignition making minimum wage; about $4.25 an hour 20:32 – all the events I was able to work at, I was also able to race at. The people on the West Coast thought I was an East Coast racer…I never told anyone I was new. 23:48 – so leaving the starting line as close to perfect as possible was the name of the game 28:17 – being there for Speed Week was awesome, we stayed at the Speedway Motel by the Brickyard, Mario Andretti’s room was down the hall, and Jeff was next to him, once you were in at that level, it was one big, huge family. 34:28 – Our company Fig Speed had a great relationship with Lucas Oil 42:51 – I got kicked out for one of the Pedagon Brothers, the thing is, nobody told me I was kicked out, I had to read it in National Dragster Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:00:04

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Introducing Andy DeVercelly x 4 on Episode 201

2/8/2024
All American racing family, we’d like to introduce you to Andy DeVercelly – numbers, 2,3,4, and 5. #2 is 93 years young and raced in the first Baja 1000; #5 just graduated to go-karts from mini-dwarf cars. It’s a fun listen of four generations of racers. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 3:14 – Andy 2 – the bullfighter is my car, I hit a bull on the highway just before LaPaz 12:48 – Andy 2 – I had no idea at all where I was, there were like three street signs down there 19:00 – Andy 3 – my grandpa was an Ironman kind of guy, no one else could drive the car 25:06 – Andy 3 – Now that I’ve retired, I get the pleasure and fun of it all to go work with my son 31:36 – Andy 4 – so as far as 4 wheels, he’s still a few years out – he’s just tall enough now to start learning 39:26 – Andy 2 – the big thing was the energy, the energy that the people have down there for the 1000 is next level Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:00:51:15

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Episode 200 with Todd Young, fabricator, promoter, rockcrawler and Pirate

2/1/2024
Our favorite pirate, Todd Young, shares life in the hood, work, rockcrawling, and unexpected life changes. This is a great one, if you’ve ever had a chance to be around Todd, you’ll appreciate that he tells it like it is. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. 3:57 – My dad was always a brawler, So I was born with the expectation that you solved everything with a good fistfight. 10:58 – I kind of fell into the weld shop, they had us welding right away 19:20 – I don’t do rules and politics very well, at I stage I got fed up and wallpapered the whole back wall of the shop with all those memos and stuff 30:12 – I got into a six-foot snowbank and slid off the edge, and that 4Runner wasn’t nearly as capable as I thought it was 38:42 – So off we go to Goldendale, and sure enough, Big Rich and Little Rich are throwing the biggest rock crawling soiree…and I’m like, that’s my kind of people right there 45:59 – Next thing I know, we’re rounding up rocks and culverts and throwing some fun crawls in our backyard for our local rockcrawling club 53:27– Well, ditch the bike and I’m going to shoulder roll this wreck out; I hit a lot harder than I thought 59:33 – My whole world was shrinking, the doctor goes, I’m just going to throw this out there, not to alarm you, but we can cut it off and I’ll have you back to work in six, eight weeks. Special thanks to 4low Magazine and Maxxis Tires for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:16:05

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Pioneer woman, Mary McGee, on Episode 199

1/25/2024
Mary McGee is a legend in off-road racing; solo’d the Baja 500 on a bike as the first person to do so; a woman who never learned to quit and always said yes to everything offered. She thinks she’s the luckiest woman ever, her history is a great story. Mary was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2023. Mary is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app. 3:31 – My 9-year-old brother and myself (age 5), by ourselves went on the steamship from Juneau to Seattle 19:29 – Vashak said to Dan, Mary, she should road race the motorcycles, make even smoother than the car. 24:45 – Women couldn’t have credit cards in their name, they couldn’t have anything in their own name. 29:41 – “Are you motorcycle people?” yes, “You have to leave” 34:24 – my friend, Steve McQueen, said, “Mary, you have got to get off that pansy road racing bike and come out to the desert.” Will I have to get dirty? 55:48 – We only made it to El Arco and it was freezing; I went around and around that fire and got myself nice and hot and went right over to those two guys sleeping on cardboard and slithered right in between them 1:10:34 – Once you start something, you should see it through to the end, however it goes. Special thanks to ORMHOF.org for support and sponsorship of this podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app. Support the Show.

Duration:01:18:41