Out of Line with Caroline Lee

I’m not exactly sure how this happened so quickly, but here we are, at the one year anniversary of Out of Line. 52 weeks of conversation with some of the most honest + inspiring folks out there. For the last episode of the year, I decided to do something a little different.. I took a handheld recorder with me to my fourth Burning Man--which is an annual event in northwest Nevada. For one week, 70,000 people gather in one space to create a temporary city, including camps, and about 300 pieces of art. Burning Man is an experiment in community and art, influenced by ten main principles: "radical" inclusion, self-reliance, and self-expression, as well as community cooperation, civic responsibility, gifting, decommodification, participation, immediacy, and leaving no trace. One of my favorite parts about Out of Line has been the final question I ask each guest -- what do you have in common with every human on planet earth? What does humanity have in common? And so, I took my tiny recorder around Burning Man with me, and asked this same question to some of the people I encountered there. Before I play what I heard, I’ll add a ‘thank you’ for journeying through this year with me. Your DMs and emails and notes and iTunes reviews have carried me and kept me going. I do this for you, so that you feel empowered to ask anything, and, so that you have a reminder of the range of unseen battles each of us may be facing at any given time. Thank you for being here. I’m going to be taking a mini break now. I want to regroup, get some feedback from you, and come back for year 2 even better and stronger. Make sure you subscribe, and follow @outoflinepodcast on Instagram to find out when the feedback questionnaire is up, and, when the new season launches, too. I’ve already started recording the new episodes, and I can tell you, things are gonna get juicy. For now, Caroline signing off with the reminder to put it in your mouth, but don’t swallow... Links: Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Kristine Fredheim is a medium and spiritual coach, and is the owner and founder of her practice, Soul Life. She works closely with clients to achieve lasting inner peace, instill a sense of mindfulness, leading them to discover their purpose and self-worth. Kristine has a Master’s Degree in Neuro-Linguistic Programming, is the author of two books, and contributes to online journals like The Huffington Post. Kristine currently lives in Stavanger, Norway with her two little boys, so we hopped on Skype to record our chat on cosmetic surgery... rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, filler, and so much more. Links: Kristine Fredheim - Soul Life Kristine on Insta: @kristine.fredheim Kristine on Facebook: Kristine Fredheim Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing labiaplasty, rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, fillers and so much more, Caroline asks Kristine a series of questions about her social media practices. Kristine Fredheim is a medium and spiritual coach, and is the owner and founder of her practice, Soul Life. She works closely with clients to achieve lasting inner peace, instill a sense of mindfulness, leading them to discover their purpose and self-worth. Kristine has a Master’s Degree in Neuro-Linguistic Programming, is the author of two books, and contributes to online journals like The Huffington Post. Kristine currently lives in Stavanger, Norway with her two little boys, so we hopped on Skype to record our chat on cosmetic surgery. Links: Kristine Fredheim - Soul Life Kristine on Insta: @kristine.fredheim Kristine on Facebook: Kristine Fredheim Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jessie McLaughlin is a southern native now living in Los Angeles. After growing up in North Carolina, and singing classically through college, Jessie married Rhett, and they had two boys. 7 years ago, Jessie and her family moved to LA for her husband's YouTube career, and she has a deep love for her new home town. Now, Jessie is in a new season of life after transitioning out of being a homeschooling mom, and is exploring her love of interior design on her blog and Instagram channel, A Nomad at Home. Jessie is a dear friend of mine, and was kind enough to allow me to record our chat on obsessive compulsive disorder, and on her experience with therapy. Links: Jessie McLaughlin Jessie on Insta: @anomadathome Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing OCD and therapy, Caroline asks Jessie a series of questions about her social media practice. -- Jessie McLaughlin is a southern native now living in Los Angeles. After growing up in North Carolina, and singing classically through college, Jessie married Rhett, and they had two boys. 7 years ago, Jessie and her family moved to LA for her husband's YouTube career, and she has a deep love for her new home town. Now, Jessie is in a new season of life after transitioning out of being a homeschooling mom, and is exploring her love of interior design on her blog and Instagram channel, A Nomad at Home. Jessie is a dear friend of mine, and was kind enough to allow me to record our chat on obsessive compulsive disorder, and on her experience with therapy. Links: Jessie McLaughlin Jessie on Insta: @anomadathome Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Jamie Lee Finch is an intuitive healer, sex witch, poet and relationship guide between humans and their bodies. She believes our bodies have a language, and that that language is our mother tongue. Trauma, she says, in any form -- including toxic experiences with fundamentalist religious belief -- is responsible for breaking down our ability to communicate successfully with our bodies; and any sort of illness or imbalance, dysfunction or disease is our bodies’ frustrated attempts to connect with and communicate to us. The work that Jamie does is in reassociating people with their bodies, the language their body is speaking, and the voice their body is speaking with; it is deep reconciliation healing work on a mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical level. Jamie is based in Nashville, Tennessee, and her practice is fully booked until 2019. Clearly, there’s a demand for this type of reconnection with our bodies. I was stoked to chat with Jamie over Skype, where we discussed owning your sexuality, and a bit on purity culture, too. Links: Jamie Lee Finch Jamie on Insta: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Twitter: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Facebooke: Jamie Lee Finch Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing owning your sexuality and a bit on purity culture, too, Caroline asks Jamie Lee Finch a series of questions about her social media practices. Jamie Lee Finch is an intuitive healer, sex witch, poet and relationship guide between humans and their bodies. She believes our bodies have a language, and that that language is our mother tongue. Trauma, she says, in any form -- including toxic experiences with fundamentalist religious belief -- is responsible for breaking down our ability to communicate successfully with our bodies; and any sort of illness or imbalance, dysfunction or disease is our bodies’ frustrated attempts to connect with and communicate to us. The work that Jamie does is in reassociating people with their bodies, the language their body is speaking, and the voice their body is speaking with; it is deep reconciliation healing work on a mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical level. Jamie is based in Nashville, Tennessee, and her practice is fully booked until 2019. Clearly, there’s a demand for this type of reconnection with our bodies. Links: Jamie Lee Finch Jamie on Insta: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Twitter: @jamieleefinch Jamie on Facebooke: Jamie Lee Finch Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

The topic of this week’s episode is on postpartum depression, and may be a sensitive discussion to listen to for some. Please consider this a soft ‘trigger warning’ and a request to be gentle with yourself in choosing the time and space you might choose to listen to it. After hearing about the personal experience of postpartum depression from our first guest, Amanda, we’re joined by Dr. Cassidy Freitas, who is a therapist that specialized in postnatal care, and has incredible resources for both mothers and fathers that experience postpartum depression, anxiety or OCD. Amanda Carter Gomes began her career in marketing, event management, production and PR. In July of 2017 Amanda launched her latest endeavor: The Fold, an online publication for "women of an uncertain age and particular attitude", to fill the void in online content for women beyond the millennial age range. She and her husband, Matt, live with their two sons in Seattle, Washington. Dr. Cassidy Freitas is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing in San Diego, California. She provides individual, couples, and family therapy to support the treatment of relational issues, anxiety, depression, illness, grief, and loss. Cassidy is also the host of her podcast, Holding Space, which is a wellness podcast, exploring mental health, relationships, creativity + education. She is also a wife and mother. Postpartum Support Resources: Postpartum Support International Perinatal Mental Health Alliance for Women of Color Postpartum Health Alliance Erica Chidi Cohen Loom Kin [support classes in Los Angeles for LGBTQIA+ people trying to conceive or plan for a family] Cassidy Freitas, Ph.D., LMFT Links: Amanda Carter Gomes' online publication, the Fold Amanda on Insta: @amandacartergomes The Fold on Insta: @the_fold_mag Cassidy Freitas, Ph.D., LMFT Cassidy on Insta: @drcassidy Dr. Cassidy's podcast: Holding Space Holding Space on Insta: @holdingspacepodcast Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing postpartum depression with Amanda Carter Gomes, Caroline asks Amanda a series of questions about her social media practice -- and how social media relates to being a mother. Amanda Carter Gomes began her career in marketing, event management, production and PR. In July of 2017 Amanda launched her latest endeavor: The Fold, an online publication for "women of an uncertain age and particular attitude", to fill the void in online content for women beyond the millennial age range. She and her husband, Matt, live with their two sons in Seattle, Washington. Links: Amanda Carter Gomes' online publication, the Fold Amanda on Insta: @amandacartergomes The Fold on Insta: @the_fold_mag Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Alua Arthur is the founder of Going with Grace. She is a death doula, life lover and end of life planner. She's a former attorney, jewelry addict, bike enthusiast, and a developing nation aficionado. Alua is an adjunct professor at the University of Philosophical Research, and is also creating a training program for death doulas and end of life planners. This is the first episode of this podcast where the guests discusses something they are known for, but since talking about death is so 'out of line', we hope you'll enjoy it just the same. -- Links: Alua mentions Grief Therapist, Claire Bidwell Smith Going With Grace Alua on Facebook: Going With Grace Alua on Insta: @going_with_grace Alua's blog + videos: Going With Grace Blog Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing death and dying, Caroline asks Alua Arhur a series of questions about her social media practices -- and, specifically how social media and death are related. Alua Arthur is the founder of Going with Grace. She is a death doula, life lover and end of life planner. She's a former attorney, jewelry addict, bike enthusiast, and a developing nation aficionado. Alua is an adjunct professor at the University of Philosophical Research, and is also creating a training program for death doulas and end of life planners. -- Links: Going With Grace Alua on Facebook: Going With Grace Alua on Insta: @going_with_grace Alua's blog + videos: Going With Grace Blog Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Lisa Gungor is a singer/songwriter from the band ‘Gungor’, which is made up of she and her husband, Michael. She’s the mother of Amelie and Lucie, two beautiful daughters, and she just released her first book entitled the Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen. Lisa lives in Los Angeles, so I went over to her recording studio where we chatted about nudity… and we even got naked in the process. -- Links: Lisa Gungor Lisa's new book: The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen Lisa on Insta: @lisagungor Lisa on Twitter: @lisagungor Gungor music Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing nudity and bodies, Caroline asks Lisa a series of questions about her social media practices. -- Lisa Gungor is a singer/songwriter from the band ‘Gungor’, which is made up of she and her husband, Michael. She’s the mother of Amelie and Lucie, two beautiful daughters, and she just released her first book entitled the Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen. Lisa lives in Los Angeles, so I went over to her recording studio. Links: Lisa Gungor Lisa's new book: The Most Beautiful Thing I've Seen Lisa on Insta: @lisagungor Lisa on Twitter: @lisagungor Gungor music Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Hilton Carter is a filmmaker based in Baltimore, Maryland, who also happens to have over 170 house plants. His Instagram feed is the epitome of green, and has become quite the hub for plantlovers everywhere. Hilton and his wife, Fiona, are newlyweds, and so Hilton and I hopped on a Skype call to record our chat about finding love, and the timing of it all. Links: Hilton Carter Hilton on Insta: @hiltoncarter Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing the timing of love, Caroline asks Hilton a series of questions about his social media practice. Hilton Carter is a filmmaker based in Baltimore, Maryland, who also happens to have over 170 house plants. His Instagram feed is the epitome of green, and has become quite the hub for plantlovers everywhere. Links: Hilton Carter Hilton on Insta: @hiltoncarter Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Shavonda Gardner is a blogger and interior designer who lives with her wife and children in Sacramento, California. Her blog, SG Style, is all about small-space living and BoHo vibes. Her design philosophy? Just because you live small doesn’t mean you can’t have big style! Shavonda believes great design is achieved when we let go of the rules, and shift our focus to creating spaces that make us feel amazing… This was the first time I'd ever gotten to chat with Shavonda, and we recorded over Skype while we talked about her time in the Military (the Air Force), and important thoughts on Veterans, too. Links: SG Style Shavonda on Insta: @sgardnerstyle Shavonda on Facebook: SG Style Shavonda on Twitter: @S_GStyle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: after discussing the Military, Caroline asks Shavonda a series of questions about her social media practice, and evolution in the world of interior design. -- Shavonda Gardner is a blogger and interior designer who lives with her wife and children in Sacramento, California. Her blog, SG Style, is all about small-space living and BoHo vibes. Her design philosophy? Just because you live small doesn’t mean you can’t have big style! Shavonda believes great design is achieved when we let go of the rules, and shift our focus to creating spaces that make us feel amazing… Links: SG Style Shavonda on Insta: @sgardnerstyle Shavonda on Facebook: SG Style Shavonda on Twitter: @S_GStyle Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Michael Newsted is a photographer based in Los Angeles. After growing up in Michigan, and spending 5 years touring around with the band the Soil and the Sun, Michael moved to LA 3 years ago, which is when he met Taylor, and they've been together for 2 years. Taylor, AKA Siggy, is a writer and authored the new book, What Does a Cat Mean? Michael + Taylor came to my place to record our chat on acceptance, and Taylor even shared one of the stories from his book! Article mentioned: I Detransitioned. But Not Because I Wasn't Trans. by Robyn Kanner in the Atlantic. Links: Michael Newsted Michael on Insta: @michaelnewsted Taylor AKA Siggy Taylor on Insta: @theothersiggy Taylor's book: WHAT DOES A CAT MEAN: A SMALL BOOK OF SMALL STORIES Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Part two: After discussing acceptance with Michael Newsted and Taylor AKA Siggy, Caroline asks them a series of questions about their social media practices. -- Michael Newsted is a photographer based in Los Angeles. After growing up in Michigan, and spending 5 years touring around with the band the Soil and the Sun, Michael moved to LA 3 years ago, which is when he met Taylor. Taylor, AKA Siggy, is a writer and authored the new book, What Does a Cat Mean? Links: Michael Newsted Michael on Insta: @michaelnewsted Taylor AKA Siggy Taylor on Insta: @theothersiggy Taylor's book: WHAT DOES A CAT MEAN: A SMALL BOOK OF SMALL STORIES Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com

Danae Horst is an LA-based photographer, prop stylist, and founder of Folia Collective, which is a plant store in Pasadena, and, an online plant tutorial space. In her not-so-distant-past, she served as the Editorial Director for Justina Blakeney’s design blog The Jungalow, and still writes the plant care column, Plant-o-Pedia on a regular basis. Danae and her husband, Bill, live in Pasadena, California, so Danae came over to my place for our chat on chronic illness and fibromyalgia. Links: Danae Horst Folia Collective Danae on Insta: @danaeolynhorst Folia Collective on Insta: @foliacollective Folia Collective on Facebook: Folia Collective Danae's column on the Jungalow: Plant-o-Pedia Caroline Lee Caroline on Insta: @teamwoodnote Caroline on Twitter: @teamwoodnote Out of Line on Insta: @outoflinepodcast Out of Line on Facebook: Out of Line with Caroline Lee email Caroline: outoflinepodcast@gmail.com