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The Interop
Technology Podcasts
Technical deep dives with the entrepreneurs and developers building the decentralized economics networks which make up the Interchain. The Interop is hosted by crypto investor and podcaster @seb3point0.
Location:
United States
Description:
Technical deep dives with the entrepreneurs and developers building the decentralized economics networks which make up the Interchain. The Interop is hosted by crypto investor and podcaster @seb3point0.
Language:
English
Website:
https://theinterop.show
Episodes
Solving Ethereum Rollup Fragmentation with Austin King of Omni Labs
7/12/2024
Join us on this episode as we dive into the future of Ethereum Layer 2 solutions with the CEO of Omni! Omni is revolutionizing the way developers build across different Ethereum Layer 2 solutions by providing a robust messaging layer and compute layer. By solving the fragmentation issue, Omni taps into liquidity from different networks, facilitating seamless cross-chain applications in the Ethereum ecosystem. Its architecture includes a secure messaging layer for roll-up communication and an EVM-based compute layer, ensuring interoperability and collateral management across roll-ups. Secured through restaking, with nodes offering services backed by restaked ETH, Omni's future looks promising. With advancements in AI and natural language programming, the landscape of alternative VMs like Move and Wasm could further evolve, enhancing the Ethereum ecosystem's capabilities. Join us in exploring Omni's innovative solutions for Ethereum Layer 2!
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Introduction
11:12 - Blockchain Social-Fi Apps and Their Relevance
16:05 - Ethereum is Confused
23:58 - Vision and Architecture of Omni
30:57 - Omni as a Roll-Up as a Service Platform
35:18 - Enabling Cross-Chain Applications with Omni
42:40 - Securing Omni through Restaking
52:15 - The Future of Alternative VMs
56:19 - The Potential of AI
GUESTS
Austin on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:00:46
Programmatic Monetary Policy for Protocols with Max Einhorn of Valence
6/28/2024
Valence enables programmatic economic relationships between protocols. This allows crypto-native institutions (e.g., appchains & DAOs) to engage in complex financial interactions.
Valence is live today with two sub-protocols in private beta:
A key innovation is the ability to create POL markets, which is crucial for restaking. Valence ensures AVSs know exactly how much liquidity they will receive, making restaking protocols more attractive and generating new revenue sources.
Valence is to liquidity what EigenLayer is to security.
Beyond restaking, Valence enhances alignment between ecosystems and drives the future of the decentralized economy.
Learn how Valence’s crypto-native institutional debt markets improve cross-ecosystem alignment and drive the future of the DeFi economy.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
02:06 Building Timewave & Valence
07:37 Valence Endgame
13:05 Bringing Institutional Capital to Crypto
16:55 What Valence Enables
22:09 Rebalancer
24:53 Covenants
31:04 Expressing Intent
38:16 Valence Architecture
41:07 Cosmos Hub Outlook
52:17 Protocol Monetary Policy
58:10 Final Thoughts
LINKS
Valence Protocol
GUESTS
Max on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:02:39
Bitcoin is Making a Comeback with Matt Ye of Lorenzo
6/18/2024
Lorenzo is a Cosmos chain that leverages BTC shared security and enables liquid staking. In this conversation, Seb and Matt discuss the resurgence of interest in Bitcoin, particularly in the context of DeFi. They also explore the concept of liquid staking for Bitcoin and how it differs from liquid staking in proof-of-stake chains. Matt explains the architecture of Lorenzo, a Bitcoin liquid staking protocol built on the Cosmos chain, and how it leverages Babylon. They also touch on the different approaches to Bitcoin L2s and the importance of liquid staking to the success of the Bitcoin L2 ecosystem.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:01 The Bitcoin Renaissance
00:05:13 Technical Improvements Enabling Bitcoin L2s & OP_CAT
00:12:51 Different Approaches to Bitcoin L2s
00:17:58 Could Bitcoin Become a POS Chain?
00:23:00 What is Lorenzo
00:28:29 The Dual Token Model & Yield Sources
00:30:36 Lorenzo Architecture
00:49:14 BTC-Fi
00:57:17 Current Status of Lorenzo
LINKS
Lorenzo Protocol Website
GUESTS
Matt on Twitter
Matt on LinkedIn
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:59:34
Rebooting the Metaverse with Lex Avellino of Passage
6/14/2024
Passage improves virtual experiences and collaboration, making them more organic and immersive and better reflecting the way we interact in real life. For creators, Passage is a platform that enables nearly unlimited creative freedom thanks to its use of the Unreal Engine. This allows creators to build unique experiences for their communities. How does this relate to crypto? The $PASG token is the economic foundation for a new creator economy where community members own their identity and digital assets.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:17:09 Is the Metaverse Dead?
00:22:06 What is Passage
00:31:10 How to Use Passage
00:35:39 Crypto-Enabled Communities
00:41:29 Cosmos SDK Architecture
00:44:21 Akash Partnership
00:53:59 Passage Elite
00:57:38 Roadmap
LINKS
Passage's Website
GUESTS
Lex on Twitter
Lex on LinkedIn
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:00:37
The Interchain Application Layer with Adair Kelley of Abstract
6/5/2024
Abstract is an Interchain app platform enabling developers to build across CosmWasm-supported chains. Apps built with Abstract get automatic integrations with Interchain DEXes, lending markets, oracles, and liquid staking protocols.
The core infrastructure is the Abstract Account, a smart contract wallet extendable with Abstract modules. One exciting use case is mesh applications, where chains form an Interchain DAO to vote on and fund public goods at a supra-chain level.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
02:33 CosmWasm Berlin Hackathon
10:14 Evolution of CosmWasm
15:20 What is Abstract
24:21 Security
32:06 Abstract-JS
34:36 Integrations
36:11 Modulars
37:48 IBC Email
40:50 Abstract & EVM apps
GUESTS
Adair on X
Abstract on X
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:53:11
Interwoven Rollups with Stan Liu & Ezaan “Zon” Mangalji of Initia
5/22/2024
Join us in this episode where we discover how Initia's vertically integrated tech stack seamlessly connects their L1s with application-specific L2 chains, enabling efficient inter-chain communication and solving the traditional fragmentation of multichain systems. We also explore the variety of development tools available (EVM, MoveVM & WasmVM), which simplify app deployment and significantly reduce the complexity for developers.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:08:36 Appchains Debate
00:14:35 Tackling Fragmentation
00:17:31 Building on Initia
00:25:05 Inside L2s
00:27:13 Role of Sequencers
00:29:26 Scaling Limits
00:30:33 L1s Services
00:36:13 IBC Implementation
00:37:57 Custom Modules
00:40:06 OPinit Stack
00:41:59 VMs Integration
00:48:03 RaaS Market Competition
00:52:59 Testnet Opportunities
LINKS
Initia's Website
GUESTS
Stan on Twitter
Zon on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:57:05
MONOLITHIC VS APPCHAINS with Eric Zhang & Brian Breslow of DoraHacks
5/15/2024
Join us in this episode as we explore how DoraHacks advances the hacker movement. Learn about Dora Factory's innovative public good staking and decentralized funding infrastructures. We also discuss Dora Vota's role in enabling fair and private community governance through Anonymous Minimal Anti-Collusion Infrastructure (aMACI). Additionally, we deep dive into the appchain thesis and how projects benefit from running their own sovereign chains over building on monolithic L1s.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:22 DoraHacks Overview
00:10:51 Appchain Thesis
00:20:11 L2s Thesis
00:30:00 Cosmos SDK Evolution
00:37:34 Solana Appchain Thesis
00:45:58 Dora Factory & Dora Vota
00:52:08 MACI & aMACI Voting
01:03:21 DoraHacks Roadmap
LINKS
DoraHacks
Minimal Anti-Collusion Infrastructure
Vota: Special Purpose Blockchain for Voting
What Will aMACI Unlock?
Inevitability of UNIchain
GUESTS
Eric Zhang on Twitter
Brian Breslow on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture on Twitter
The Interop on Twitter
Duration:01:07:21
The AI portfolio manager with Daniel Machlup of FortyTwo
5/7/2024
Join us as we explore the innovative integration of AI in DeFi with Daniel Machlup from FortyTwo. FortyTwo is building the interface layer for cross-chain DeFi, tackling a critical challenge in the rapidly growing multi-chain ecosystem. The goal is simple, make cross-chain user experience easy for both users and protocols. Tune in to see how AI is reshaping crypto asset management, making it as simple as expressing your intention.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:03:25 Building on Cosmos
00:05:45 Cosmos SDK Advantages
00:08:33 Exploring FortyTwo
00:16:03 Infrastructure Providers
00:17:38 Solver Marketplace
00:38:31 Architecture
00:39:53 Wallet UX Enhancements
00:42:04 Osmosis Smart Accounts
00:44:14 Beta Launch Overview
LINKS
FortyTwo
GUESTS
Daniel Machlup on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture on Twitter
The Interop on Twitter
Duration:00:48:49
DeFi Risk Modelling & Management with Marijo Radman and Benedikt Eikmanns of Alterscope
4/30/2024
Join us as we delve into the complexities of risk management in decentralized finance (DeFi), where Alterscope pioneers with its risk ZK coprocessor and zero-knowledge proof technology to tackle unique challenges such as liquidity and protocol risks. Uncover how Alterscope's advanced tools not only quantify new kinds of risks but also offer a dynamic platform for effectively modeling and managing them, including a detailed look at the crucial data sets used for assessing oracle risks to ensure DeFi's data reliability.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:16 Crypto Risk Management
00:10:13 Pricing Web3 Risk
00:13:22 TradiFi vs DeFi Risk Management
00:15:16 Understanding Alterscope
00:21:42 Oracle Risks
00:27:26 Risk Marketplace Participants
00:37:41 Enhancing DeFi Yield Strategies
00:40:53 Restaking
00:46:08 Staking Providers Risks
00:51:06 Impact on Future of DeFi
00:55:30 Product Roadmap
LINKS
Alterscope
GUESTS
Marijo on Twitter
Benedikt on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:57:44
Decentralized Storage for IBC Chains with Patrick Dunlop & Marston Connell of Jackal
4/25/2024
Discover Jackal Protocol in this episode as we delve into its decentralized storage solution, enhancing blockchain interoperability and real-time data access through its Cosmos Layer 1 platform. Learn how Jackal ensures data reliability with advanced redundancy and frequent verification, supporting a wide array of Web3 applications.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:06:58 Decentralised storage
00:13:45 DePIN is a hot topic
00:16:06 Jackal - how it works
00:25:47 Role of the Cosmos SDK module
00:27:09 EVM Contracts
00:28:37 Jackal Proof-of-Persistence (JPOP)
00:41:13 Most exciting use cases
00:46:44 Tokenomics & Economics of Perpetual Storage
00:57:51 Interoperability & IBC
LINKS
Jackal Protocol
Jackal Labs
Jackal Proof-of-Persistence (JPOP)
GUESTS
Patrick on Twitter
Marston on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:05:33
ZK Proof Aggregation with Garvit Goel of Electron Labs
4/12/2024
Electron Labs aggregates zero-knowledge proofs across protocols into a single superproof, which is then verified on Ethereum. Thanks to the use of recursive ZK proofs, this collective approach lowers verification costs to less than 1% of current rates. This is a huge unlock for applications leveraging ZK: Privacy, micro rollups, DA bridges, IBC, and more.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:56 Cost of ZK proof verification
00:07:10 ZK proofs & Rollups
00:14:36 ZK light client
00:16:52 Superproofs
00:22:28 Electron trust assumptions
00:24:14 Electron's Architecture
00:31:27 Challenges
00:34:38 Electron SDK
00:44:00 Interoperability and IBC
00:48:43 Union & Polymer approach
00:52:55 ZK Proof endgame
LINKS
Electron Labs
Electron Labs on Twitter
GUESTS
Garvit on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture on Twitter
The Interop on Twitter
Duration:00:58:42
Securing Cosmos Chains with Celestia DA - Jack Zampolin of Rollchains & Strangelove
4/2/2024
Rollchains introduce new ways to build, maintain and scale Cosmos chains. New and existing Cosmos SDK chains can enable the Rollchains module to post block data to Celestia. Built with POA chains in mind, Rollchains promises to reduce the cost of securing chains while maintaining a high Nakamoto coefficient, potentially transforming the tokenomics of chains that struggle to cover the inflationary cost of maintaining a validator set.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:46 Blockchain gaming
00:05:41 Cosmos design philosophy
00:12:15 Cosmos Alignment
00:17:58 Why build a rollchain
00:25:37 IBC & interoperability
00:30:34 Rollchain Cosmos SDK module
00:37:27 Rollchain DA support
00:39:12 Roll Apps Vs. Rollchains
00:41:41 Working with Ethos
00:47:06 Long-term future of Ethereum
00:48:58 Thoughts on Movement
00:53:18 Polymer and Union
00:54:16 Skip: Unsung Heroes of Cosmos
GUESTS
Jack on Twitter
LINKS
Rollchains
Strangelove
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:56:11
The Future of DAO Governance with Nicolas Biagosch of Q Protocol
3/27/2024
Q protocol is a decentralized governance layer for Web3 that allows developers to build organizational constitutions that are enforced by smart contracts and include off-chain avenues for resolving disputes the code can't deal with. Built as a fully EVM-compatible Layer 1 for maximum security, the protocol is live with a full set of infra and applications supporting the ecosystem. It prevents governance exploits and reduces legal and regulatory risks associated with centralized decision making.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:06:52 Governance by code
00:10:44 Practical cases where DAO governance has failed
00:19:30 What is Q and how does it make a difference
00:22:58 Beyond Code is law
00:27:15 The Q Consititution
00:34:41 Stakeholders in the Q blockchain
00:37:21 The role of the token holders
00:40:57 Difference between validators and root nodes
00:45:29 Expert panels and their roles
00:47:58 Q Token holders' competence to vote
00:49:52 The practical steps in this mechanism
00:55:25 Do you need to build your DAO on Q
00:57:16 Integration with Q
00:59:53 Network stakes
01:02:38 The worrying US tax system
01:05:20 Discussion on decentralised AI
01:08:02 DeFi is going nowhere
01:12:47 Learn more about Q
GUESTS
Nicolas on Twitter
LINKS
Q Whitepaper
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:13:50
Cosmos Hub ICS Security Marketplace with Jehan Tremback of Informal Systems
3/18/2024
Informal Systems is a Cosmos contributor that works on the Cosmos Hub, which is the first blockchain in the Interchain. The Cosmos Hub is one of thousands of blockchains that will eventually make up the Cosmos Network. The Hub's primary token is ATOM, but it will support many other tokens in the future. Interchain Security is one of the main services the Cosmos Hub provides. It enables other blockchains to be secured through Proof-of-Stake (PoS) by the ATOM token, which holds one of the largest market capitalizations in the interchain ecosystem.
TOPICS
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:20 - 5th anniversary of the hub
00:04:13 - Shift in the vision of Cosmos SDK
00:07:59 - The role of a Cosmos Hub Lead
00:12:44 - Business development and its role under Informal Systems
00:19:32 - Shared security on the hub - Interchain Security
00:26:19 - The shift in vision
00:31:20 - The subset problem
00:38:41 - The old way vs the new
00:42:15 - The babylon partnership - additional security
00:48:20 - How the hub competes in the landscape
00:50:21 - Ethos and what they're building
00:53:24 - Cosmos Alignment and how it's perceived
00:55:46 - The end game
LINKS
Babylon Bitcoin Security
Interchain Security: Partial Set Security
Comos-Ethereum Converging
Atomic composability - IBC
Atom Wars
SOCIAL MEDIA (Twitter)
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:57:06
FAIR TOKEN LAUNCHES with Simon Chadwick of Eclipse
3/6/2024
Eclipse Fi is a revolutionary hub for interchain token launches, bringing the value back into the hands of early communities. Eclipse Mainnet, launching in Q1 2024, is the fastest Ethereum L2, powered by the SVM. With an architecture that combines the best pieces of the modular stack, developers get all the benefits of dedicated throughput with none of the downsides. Eclipse makes it possible to build applications that can coordinate masses of people and scale with any developer’s needs.
TOPICS
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:06:46 - Terra's Collapse
00:10:27 - the next cycle of token launches
00:20:23 - Centralised vs Decentralised platforms
00:22:49 - Implementing KYC & compliance for projects
00:27:15 - The vision for eclipse
00:31:32 - Benefits of launching projects on Eclipse
00:35:16 - Supported launch mechanisms
00:37:47 - Reputation on the user side
00:41:07 - CIBIL
00:43:11 - How zkKYC works
00:47:17 - Liquidity hub
00:54:20 - Why Eclipse was built on Neutron
00:57:29 - Roadmap for Eclipse Fi
GUESTS
Simon on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA (Twitter)
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:00:08
SLINKY ORACLE with Maghnus Mareneck of Skip
2/13/2024
Skip Protocol helps sovereign blockchain protocols supercharge their blockspace to improve user experience, enhance interoperability, and enrich network stakeholders. The protocol has recently unveiled Slinky, an “Oracle” aggregator designed for perpetual markets and DeFi as a whole.
TOPICS
00:02:10 - Major Developments at Skip
00:04:40 - The slinky announcement
00:14:15 - Use cases for Slinky
00:21:10 - The architecture and how validators are coordinating
00:25:11 - Levana Attack in relation to the architecture
00:27:14 - Pricing and Slashing
00:35:18 - Is there a compromise?
00:38:16 - What vulnerabilities and attacks can Slinky prevent
00:45:15 - The opportunity cost of using Skip
00:48:36 - How it fits in the modular stack
00:53:51 - Slinky:The Rolls Royce of Oracles
00:59:18 - Slinky's origin and potential customers
01:03:02 - Conclusion
LINKS
GitHub - Skip-mev
How Slinky can prevent Oracle Manipulation Attacks
Slinky: Twitter Announcement
GUESTS
Maghnus on Twitter
Skip's Website
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:03:58
CELESTIA LIQUID STAKING with Fabo & Jay B of Milky Way
2/5/2024
MilkyWay is a liquid staking solution for the Celestia ecosystem, initially starting its deployment and operation on Osmosis. When individuals liquid stake their TIA coins through MilkyWay, they obtain an on-chain representation of their TIA staking position, termed as milkTIA. This allows Celestia token holders to access liquidity for their staked assets, facilitating trading or their utilization as collateral in different DeFi products.
TOPICS
00:06:27 - When did the protocol launch?
00:07:43 - Growth and support from the community
00:08:25 - Liquid staking
00:10:09 - What is liquid staking evolving into
00:12:25 - What is Milky Way?
00:14:38 - Where can people use their MilkTIA
00:17:23 - The design
00:26:13 - The agent and how it interacts with the multisig
00:31:59 - Fudding the multisig
00:34:22 - Purpose of the contract
00:38:23 - How the validators are chosen
00:47:56 - Milky Way's position in the liquid staking space
00:51:54 - Endgame for Milky Way in the Celestia ecosystem
00:55:38 - The roadmap
LINKS
Milky Way
AuthZ Delegated Multisig
GUESTS
JayB on LinkedIn
Fabo on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:00:58:46
BUILD WHATEVER WHEREVER with Omer Mishael of Lava Network
1/29/2024
Lava is a modular data network for scaling access to any blockchain. The network can flexibly support any RPC and API. Lava works with rollups and blockchains to consolidate and improve their node infrastructure. Providers are rewarded for their quality of service, so your users can fetch data and send transactions with speed, data integrity and uptime. Lava helps developers build web3-native apps on any chain.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:48 Lava's USP
00:10:22 Uber for blockchain data
00:13:39 RPC and Relayers
00:23:26 Lava's paradigm and how it works
00:31:47 How does the matching happen?
00:39:48 Clustering mechanism
00:42:29 Participants in Lava functionality
00:51:55 Modular Stack - Lava's contribution
00:56:10 Light Clients
01:01:04 Road to mainnet
LINKS
Lava on Twitter
GUESTS
Omer Mishael on Linkedin
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SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:05:02
MODULAR MOVE ROLLUPS with Rushi Manche of Movement Labs
1/19/2024
Movement Labs is a modular framework to build and deploy Move-based infrastructure, applications, and blockchains in any distributed environment. They offer an open network for creators to build and grow. The team is building a suite of products and services that empower non-Move protocols to leverage the power of the Move Programming Language without writing a single lineof Move code.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:04:58 EVM is going to zero
00:12:33 Overview of Movement
00:16:25 M2: Roll up framework
00:18:27 Decision tree for a developer
00:20:51 Noble and Union Partnership
00:25:41 Fractal module: Backwards Compatibility
00:28:50 Risky Opcodes in Ethereum
00:31:50 Native USDC
00:33:36 How move benefits IBC
00:35:12 Future of Cosmos
00:40:08 Long term compatibility between VMs
00:42:55 Movement Labs: Parthenon Roadmap
00:44:35 Decentralised Share Sequencer
00:47:24 Validators for M1
00:48:30 Token and Air Drop?
00:48:59 Community program
00:51:33 ETF Approval
LINKS
M2 Announcement
Movement + Noble + Union Partnership
Movement Roadmap
Ethereum Opcodes
GUESTS
Rushi Manche on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture on Twitter
The Interop on Twitter
Duration:00:55:26
LEVANA RELAUNCH with Jonathan Caras of Levana
1/16/2024
Levana is a decentralized exchange protocol designed to enable leveraged positions for any asset. Levana enables permission-less, censorship-resistant Capital efficient markets. Levana is the only platform with zero insolvency risk, so your PnL is always safe. Currently market launches and configuration is permissioned, but Levana's goal is to create a permissionless protocol which enables anyone to be able to launch a leveraged market for any asset.
TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:55 The ETF Approval
00:06:28 Ben Franklin with laser eyes
00:12:30 The token launch
00:24:23 Attack timeline
00:28:30 Details of the attack
00:29:04 Targeted pools
00:34:09 Oracle Exploitation & how it works
00:42:16 Other oracle solutions
00:46:55 Learnings from the attack
00:49:50 Mitigation and relaunch
00:57:42 Thoughts on adding LVN tokens & Staking
01:00:22 Positive outlook for Levana
LINKS
Initial Security Alert
Levana exploit postmortem
Delta price attack explained
Jacob Gabikian post on p2p storm
GUESTS
Jonathan on Twitter
Levana on Twitter
SOCIAL MEDIA
Sebastien Couture
The Interop
Duration:01:03:10